Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 December 23



Category:Populated places in Posen (Prussian province)

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (Talk) 19:07, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose either
 * DELETE Category:Populated places in Posen (Prussian province)
 * or
 * RENAME Category:Populated places in Posen (Prussian province) to Category:Populated places in the Province of Posen
 * Nominator's rationale: The Province of Posen was abolished in 1919. We don't usually categorise populated places by former administrative divisions. I see no reason to do so here, so I recommend deletion.
 * If it is kept, then it should be renamed to match its parent Category:Province of Posen. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:07, 23 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep While flattered by the close attention that BHG brings to my activities, I must object to this proposal. The proposed category was a solution to tidy up a very messy parent category - Category:Province of Posen. Annexed by Prussia in the 18th century, it survived until the 20th century. Along with Congress Poland, it formed one of of the constituent bodies from which the modern state of Poland would rise. For that reason, it's useful to know what parts of Poland used to be part of the German Empire and what parts used to be part of the Russian Empire. A list of populated places is a useful navigational tool in this regard. A single, non-town article now remains in the parent cat which certainly helps matters as my Polish would not let me distinguish between a town, a factory or an opera house. The alternative is to return to the status ante creation when all the towns were just lumped into Category:Province of Posen; not a satisfactory prospect. Also, it is not entirely without precedent: there are exceptions (e.g. Category:Populated places of the Byzantine Empire). Similarly, the category Category:Roman towns and cities is just a synonym for "populated places" and is extensively populated (with articles). The same can be said of Category:Ancient cities - they are just synonyms for "populated places". There are also categories for places that are not even states (e.g. Category:Populated places in French Polynesia and Category:Populated places in the Northern Mariana Islands. Not entirely happy with the re-name proposal either. In Ireland you have the province of Munster, not the "Province of Munster". Is it the same in Germany? Is something missing in translation? Was it really called "Province of Posen"? An alternative might be Category:Populated places in the province of Posen. But might that lead to confusion with Poznan? Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:18, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * LL, there is no need to be flattered. I encountered this simply because you bring your work to my attention by placing it in cleanup lists.
 * Now, to the substance:
 * Yes, there are indeed categories for places that are not even states. It's called sub-categorisation, a process by which we divide up bigger categories.  It's great that you have discovered this process of sub-categorisation, but those are currently-existing entities, so the observation adds nothing to this discussion.
 * Category:Populated places of the Byzantine Empire is not part of any wider scheme of categorising places by former country. We have a Category:Populated places by country, but no there is no Category:Populated places by country.  So I dunno whether the Byzantine category should exist.
 * The head article is at Province of Posen, and the parent category Category:Province of Posen correctly follows that name. Any proposal to change that naming should be made at a WP:RM discussion on the head article, and the categories speedily-renamed to suit.
 * So that leaves solely with the question of whether to categorise by former administrative division, which has not been done so far other than in the two anomalies which LL mentions.
 * I can see a case for wanting this, as an aid to historical geography, but I don't think it is feasible under the current crude categorisation system. Doing so would place many populated places in continental Europe in five or ten different administrative subdivisions, for the different eras.
 * This is particularly problematic in the low countries and in this case in the area from Germany to Russia, where for several centuries states have been created and dissolved, and their boundaries have frequently been radically changed. If we start down this path, we will create a mass of geographical categories for each place which will bewilder readers and be a maintenance nightmare for editors.
 * It wouldn't even be a matter of adding the pages to a single category for each administrative division. We'd have to chop most of them up by time slice, because a place will often have been a given admin division for only part of that division's existence.
 * Even London, which has been consistently part of England for 1000 years, has undergone two major changes of administrative boundary in the last 150 years.
 * Categories cannot do everything, and this is one task that's beyond them. Them info would be better presented some other device, such as historical map overlays or lists.  Why not convert this cat to a list? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:42, 23 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree with BHG that consistently applying categories like this one may well lead to too much category clutter in articles regarding places that were part of many different polities and administrative divisions in the course of time. A list would be better indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:52, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - e.g. the article that begins "Pszczew .. is a village in Międzyrzecz County, Lubusz Voivodeship, in western Poland." (and makes no mention of Posen) is well-categorized by Category:Villages in Międzyrzecz County. DexDor(talk) 08:56, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh all right then Changing my vote to "Delete". But who's going to listify before deletion? Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:38, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I have made a list of the category's current contents, at WT:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 December 23. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:44, 27 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Darlington (borough)

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (Talk) 19:06, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Darlington (borough) to Category:Borough of Darlington
 * Propose renaming Category:Buildings and structures in Darlington (borough) to Category:Buildings and structures in the Borough of Darlington
 * Propose renaming Category:Railway stations in Darlington (borough) to Category:Railway stations in the Borough of Darlington
 * Propose renaming Category:Disused railway stations in Darlington (borough) to Category:Disused railway stations in the Borough of Darlington
 * Propose renaming Category:Schools in Darlington (borough) to Category:Schools in the Borough of Darlington
 * Propose renaming Category:Academies in Darlington (borough) to Category:Academies in the Borough of Darlington
 * Propose renaming Category:Defunct schools in Darlington (borough) to Category:Defunct schools in the Borough of Darlington
 * Propose renaming Category:Primary schools in Darlington (borough) to Category:Primary schools in the Borough of Darlington
 * Propose renaming Category:Secondary schools in Darlington (borough) to Category:Secondary schools in the Borough of Darlington
 * Propose renaming Category:Education in Darlington (borough) to Category:Education in the Borough of Darlington
 * Propose renaming Category:People from Darlington (district) to Category:People from the Borough of Darlington
 * Propose renaming Category:Places in Darlington (borough) to Category:Places in the Borough of Darlington
 * Propose renaming Category:Sport in Darlington (borough) to Category:Sport in the Borough of Darlington
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistency with the consensus at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 10 and Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 20. Note that in some cases like Category:Suburbs of Darlington and Category:People from Darlington there are separate categories for the town and district. Per Categories for discussion/Log/2009 September 8 there was consensus to just have 1 category, however recently we have been splitting categories for district and town such as Category:Hartlepool and Category:Borough of Hartlepool by User:Mhockey so we could split here and have separate categories for town and district. Alternatively we could move back to Darlington and specify that they are for both town and district.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 11:25, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. I agree that the renaming will improve the consistency of naming as per previous consensus. A really paranoid android (talk) 15:21, 24 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Hexapods of Europe

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (Talk) 19:05, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Hexapods of Europe to Category:Arthropods of Europe
 * Nominator's rationale: This is an unnecessary layer in this category structure and is inconsistent with other continents etc. Example similar CFD: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_March_26. For info: The creator of the category is now blocked. Note: No upmerge to Category:Hexapods is needed because all 6 articles are in categories such as Category:Collembola. DexDor(talk) 10:48, 23 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment -- I am not formally voting as I do not know enough.  The rationale for this category seems to be that Springtails are no longer classified as insects.  All the articles in this category are springtails, so that the articles need to be moved to a new category Category:Springtails of Europe (or some more learned name).  This will leave a container for two categories.  The question is whether that is useful or better merged to its parent, so that insects, springtails, spiders, etc become siblings.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:57, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support as it was created by Caftaric, generally a bad sign, and hexapods seem to be a subset of arthropods. (There is Category:Myriapods of Europe, created by NotWith, which is similarly inconsistent.) Oculi (talk) 20:32, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment The title is potentially confusing. Hexapoda as a subcategory of arthropods, groups together the Insects, the Springtails, the Protura, and the Diplura; based on an unconfirmed theory about these groups having closely-related ancestry. Hexapodidae is a family of Crabs, connected because all its species have six walking legs (in contrast to other crabs). Hexapod (robotics) is a grouping of robots, which have six legs. Their design was patterned after insects. Dimadick (talk) 12:51, 27 December 2018 (UTC)


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Roman Catholic churches by city and Churches by city (France)

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge/Delete. Timrollpickering (Talk) 19:04, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Arles to Category:Roman Catholic churches in France and Category:Buildings and structures in Arles and Category:Churches in Bouches-du-Rhône
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Arras to Category:Roman Catholic churches in France and Category:Buildings and structures in Arras and Category:Churches in Pas-de-Calais
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Clermont-Ferrand to Category:Roman Catholic churches in France and Category:Buildings and structures in Clermont-Ferrand and Category:Churches in Puy-de-Dôme
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Laon to Category:Roman Catholic churches in France and Category:Laon and Category:Churches in Aisne
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Le Havre to Category:Roman Catholic churches in France and Category:Buildings and structures in Le Havre and Category:Churches in Seine-Maritime
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Limoges to Category:Roman Catholic churches in France‎ and Category:Buildings and structures in Limoges and Category:Churches in Haute-Vienne
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Montpellier to Category:Roman Catholic churches in France and Category:Buildings and structures in Montpellier and Category:Churches in Hérault
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Tours, France to Category:Roman Catholic churches in France and Category:Buildings and structures in Tours, France and Category:Churches in Indre-et-Loire
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Arles
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Arras
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Clermont-Ferrand
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Laon
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Le Havre
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Limoges
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Montpellier
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Tours, France
 * Nominator's rationale: merge/delete per WP:SMALLCAT, the Roman Catholic churches categories contain only 2 articles, while the parent Churches categories do not contain any article at all, apart from the Roman Catholic subcat. So this is a double merge nomination, for the Churches and the Roman Catholic churches simultaneously. This nomination and the one below are a continuation of two earlier nominations. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 23 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom Tiny categories, with little scope for expansion. Dimadick (talk) 10:12, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support all per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:30, 23 December 2018 (UTC)


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Roman Catholic churches by city and Churches by city (United States)

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge/Delete. Timrollpickering (Talk) 19:02, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Bardstown, Kentucky to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Kentucky and Category:Buildings and structures in Bardstown, Kentucky and Category:Churches in Nelson County, Kentucky
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Biddeford, Maine to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Maine and Category:Buildings and structures in Biddeford, Maine and Category:Churches in York County, Maine
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Brookfield, Connecticut to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Connecticut and Category:Buildings and structures in Brookfield, Connecticut and Category:Churches in Fairfield County, Connecticut
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Clinton, Iowa to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Iowa and Category:Buildings and structures in Clinton, Iowa and Category:Churches in Clinton County, Iowa
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Georgetown, Connecticut to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Connecticut and Category:Buildings and structures in Georgetown, Connecticut‎
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Kula, Hawaii to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Hawaii and Category:Buildings and structures in Kula, Hawaii and Category:Places of worship in Maui County, Hawaii


 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Maria Stein, Ohio to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Ohio and Category:Maria Stein, Ohio and Category:Churches in Mercer County, Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Monroe, Michigan to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Michigan and Category:Buildings and structures in Monroe, Michigan and Category:Churches in Monroe County, Michigan
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Nashua, New Hampshire to Category:Roman Catholic churches in New Hampshire and Category:Buildings and structures in Nashua, New Hampshire and Category:Churches in Hillsborough County, New Hampshire
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Norwalk, Ohio to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Ohio and Category:Norwalk, Ohio and Category:Churches in Huron County, Ohio
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Paterson, New Jersey to Category:Roman Catholic churches in New Jersey and Category:Buildings and structures in Paterson, New Jersey and Category:Churches in Passaic County, New Jersey
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Rockville, Connecticut to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Connecticut and Category:Buildings and structures in Rockville, Connecticut and Category:Churches in Tolland County, Connecticut
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Saint Mary-of-the-Woods, Indiana to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Indiana and Category:Buildings and structures in Saint Mary-of-the-Woods, Indiana and Category:Churches in Vigo County, Indiana
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Southington, Connecticut to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Connecticut and Category:Buildings and structures in Southington, Connecticut and Category:Churches in Hartford County, Connecticut
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Starkenburg, Missouri to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Missouri and Category:Starkenburg, Missouri and Category:Churches in Montgomery County, Missouri
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Waterbury, Connecticut to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Connecticut and Category:Buildings and structures in Waterbury, Connecticut and Category:Churches in New Haven County, Connecticut
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic churches in Winona, Minnesota to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Minnesota and Category:Buildings and structures in Winona, Minnesota and Category:Churches in Winona County, Minnesota


 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Bardstown, Kentucky
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Biddeford, Maine
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Brookfield, Connecticut
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Clinton, Iowa
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Georgetown, Connecticut
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Kula, Hawaii


 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Maria Stein, Ohio
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Monroe, Michigan
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Nashua, New Hampshire
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Norwalk, Ohio
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Paterson, New Jersey
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Rockville, Connecticut
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Saint Mary-of-the-Woods, Indiana
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Southington, Connecticut
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Starkenburg, Missouri
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Waterbury, Connecticut
 * Propose deleting Category:Churches in Winona, Minnesota


 * Nominator's rationale: merge/delete per WP:SMALLCAT, the Roman Catholic churches categories contain only 1 or 2 articles, while the parent Churches categories do not contain any article at all, apart from the Roman Catholic subcat. So this is a double merge nomination, for the Churches and the Roman Catholic churches simultaneously. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 23 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom Tiny categories, with little scope for expansion. Dimadick (talk) 10:13, 23 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Support all per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:33, 23 December 2018 (UTC)


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