Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 December 3



Category:Ancient Christianity

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 08:46, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ancient Christianity to Category:Christianity in antiquity
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistency with formula of closest relevant comparable article Christianity in late antiquity, but most importantly with equivalent time period entries in Category:History of Christianity by period. See also: former nomination. Chicbyaccident (talk) 23:35, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Support For consistency reasons. Dimadick (talk) 16:33, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * ALT How is it consistent with the "equivalent time period entries in Category:History of Christianity by period" when one of those two sub-categories uses the form Category:Early Christianity? Since the dividing line for the Late category is the Constantinian conversion and ecumenical councils at that time, then Ante-Nicene and Post-Nicene would be more appropriate names. The categories Category:Ante-Nicene Christians and Category:Ante-Nicene Christian saints offer a better guide I think. So what about Category:Ante-Nicene Christianity as an ALT? Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:19, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Mild oppose as already expressed in the previous discussion, which ought to have been disclosed in the nomination: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_November_8. "Ancient" seems fine to me and has many consistently-named siblings using "Ancient", despite the parent being Category:Religion in classical antiquity. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:15, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? The only category I can found there applicable to your assertion are Category:Ancient Roman religion‎ and Category:Ancient Greek religion, but in these cases the wording "Ancient" is accidental, referring to Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece - while ultimately not the religion, right? Chicbyaccident (talk) 20:29, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I was also looking in Category:Religion in ancient history. Four sub-cats within the nominated category are "Ancient Christian X", and Category:Ancient Christianity studies has more that match the current name, which would be awkward to rename following this nomination. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:05, 6 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose for now - what about all the sub-cats? The proposed name is no clearer. One might achieve extra clarity by just using "before 476 (approx)" or whatever.  There is more than one "closest relevant comparable article" - Early Christianity for a start, so the nom rationale falls down. Johnbod (talk) 22:07, 6 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:MediaWiki icons

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (Talk) 18:26, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mediawiki icons


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one article in this category, and that article is already a member of the parent category. Bsherr (talk) 22:33, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Africa's Next Top Model

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. ℯ xplicit  04:12, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Africa's Next Top Model to Category:Top Model series
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge to parent per WP:SMALLCAT. It appears to the structure of the parent to do it this way. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 20:18, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose. This looks to me to be the exception, in which the structure of the parent category warrants small categories. It makes sense to group the articles on each show together for clarity of the parent category, even if the work is incomplete. --Bsherr (talk) 14:17, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, and clarity is in this case also very well preserved because the articles in the parent category are sorted on alphabet. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:51, 26 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Wildlife in the Falkland Islands

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (Talk) 18:30, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Wildlife in the Falkland Islands to Category:Natural history of the Falkland Islands
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category layer. Most countries/regions have the biota category directly under the natural history category (e.g. see Category:Biota of Australia). "Wildlife" categories tend to mess up the category structure (e.g. because some editors take it to include flora whilst others don't, some editors put it above biota and some put it below). DexDor(talk) 19:49, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge. Per nominator, and it is also too small. --Bsherr (talk) 14:21, 8 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Jamaican supercentenarians

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to parent categories. ℯ xplicit  04:12, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jamaican supercentenarians


 * Nominator's rationale: Yet another supercentenarian category with only a single page. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 17:59, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete This category is useless and is serving no substantive purpose in this encyclopedia, as categories are for groups of articles not one offs. Newshunter12 (talk) 23:42, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to both parents: Category:Supercentenarians and Category:Jamaican centenarians. Too small to keep, but the nom @The Blade of the Northern Lights gives no justification for this proposal to remove these people from the parent categories. -- Brown Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 12:37, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge per BrownHairedGirl. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to both parents: Category:Supercentenarians and Category:Jamaican centenarians. Oculi (talk) 00:33, 8 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Districts of Rome

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (Talk) 18:30, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Districts of Rome to Category:Quarters of Rome
 * Nominator's rationale: It qualifies to C2D but the category was created way before the creation of en-wiki article, so it seem worth to discuss. Matthew hk (talk) 17:01, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, despite the cat tree used Districts of foo, there was as Arrondissements may be the better transliteration than Districts. Also, since larger "districts" existed in Rome as, seem better use Quarters. Matthew hk (talk) 17:05, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Support: The original term in Italian is "Quartiere", so the renaming is correct. Alex2006 (talk) 17:20, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Christmas radio stations in the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (Talk) 18:27, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting christmas radio stations in the united states


 * Nominator's rationale: The move to the all-Christmas format is a seasonal move only. In my opinion, having a category specifically dedicated to those radio stations which make the move for 4-8 weeks out of the year is blatantly trivial and thus not appropriate for Wikipedia. It's one thing to make a brief mention within an article's prose (i.e., "Station WXYZ has a history of making a seasonal move to an all-Christmas format each year before reverting to its primary format after December 25th"), but it is another to have a category dedicated to it. Striker force Talk 15:54, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Support: Simple is good. --A really paranoid android (talk) 23:18, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support there's quite a bit of legacy-cruft regarding how terrestrial radio stations are handled. Updating stations for the 6 weeks they are doing Christmas music to be in this category is stupid. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 04:41, 6 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:White genocide conspiracy theorists

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (Talk) 18:27, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting white genocide conspiracy theorists


 * Nominator's rationale: POV BLP category, created by a socking POV pusher. Those who actually belong to this category are white nationalists and white supremacists, and they are already in those categories, because reliable sources generally treat the subject matter in that way. w umbolo   ^^^  15:51, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I think the "white nationalist" and "white supremacist" categories cover this fine. This category is overkill, and nothing created by POV pusing sockpuppets should stand if it involves the POV they were pushing. Nanophosis (talk) 16:21, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * An involved Delete. Over-categorization is the easiest of that editor's problems to solve. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 04:43, 6 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians whose tenure has been taken away

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 09:43, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians whose tenure has been taken away


 * Nominator's rationale: Violates WP:USERCAT as a category that cannot possibly foster encyclopedic collaboration. Does not appear to be useful in any way to categorize users who had their tenure (at a university?) taken away. There is no encyclopedia-benefiting reason to be seeking out users in this category. VegaDark (talk) 08:18, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I would support deletion if it doesn't thereby end up as a redlink in Special:WantedCategories (SWC).
 * That can be avoided either by:
 * The category's lone user, @Randykitty agreeing to remove it from their user page. (@VegaDark: This categ was created as a comment on an en.wp dispute, not as university comment. The dispute which triggered it was a long time ago, and the point made by this categ is less relevant, so maybe Randykitty would agree to its removal)
 * The category being re-created as a hard redirect to Category:Wikipedians with unconventional user categories.
 * I implemented the latter solution last year on several dozen such contentious user categories, and it kept nearly everyone happy: the categories didn't really exist, and they didn't end up in SWC, so the editors could keep the entries on their talk pages. The only difficulty was some editors who objected to hard-redirected categories, thereby removing the only workable compromise.
 * Two years ago, SWC had many dozens of permanent entries in the shape of redlink usercats, which was a plain in the neck for those who do the encyclopedic maintenance of cleaning up the redlinked cats. The tally of perma-redlinks has now been reduced to two. Please don't impede the cleanup work by pushing that tally back up again. -- Brown Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 08:38, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete (changing my !vote) . @Randykitty has kindly removed themself from the category, so it is now empty.  It can therefore be deleted without adverse effects. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 11:05, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I always advocate emptying categories I nominate for deletion. As far as I know there is not much of an explicit movement to allow users to remain in categories that have been deleted by consensus thereby creating redlinks; but rather I think the main problem is the reluctance of the community to come to a consensus how to actually enforce this insofar as it relates to user categories. I agree with you that it is unfortunate that a user in a redlinked category is a potential result of this discussion, however, that is a potential risk for literally any user category brought up for deletion. I don't like the idea of a category being kept proverbially hostage as a blue link based on speculation that a user may defy CfD consensus and retain a deleted category on their userpage. I would say let's cross that bridge when we come to it. Just because this was initially created because it was a redlink does not necessarily imply that a user would re-ad themselves to the category after a CfD discussion results in deletion. This category has no deletion history so we cannot say for sure if the user in question would be inclined to do so or not.
 * I would suggest the proper method of handling this situation would be
 * A category is nominated for discussion;
 * After a result of renaming, merge, or deletion, users in the deleted category are respectively moved to the new category or removed from the category in case of deletion (regardless of any preference the user may or may not have expressed about people editing categories on their userpage);
 * A category that has been deleted should remain red by default with no redirect (just as you have concerns about clutter for redlinks in Special:Wantedcategories, I have similar concerns of clutter in Database reports/User categories, which lists category redirects such as the ones you propose);
 * If and only if a user reverts the change on their userpage to re-add themselves to a newly deleted category, only then do we entertain the option of re-creating the page as a hard redirect to Category:Wikipedians who retain deleted categories on their userpages (Not Category:Wikipedians with unconventional user categories, as you suggest. Was that a mistake?);
 * My personal preference is to keep the category red, but I am willing to defer to consensus here. The problem is that there was never actually any consensus to start creating these redirects. It was unilaterally implemented, and a few editors liked that solution so it has semi-stuck. I have never been a fan of that solution personally and would welcome a more encompassing discussion to determine if there actually is consensus to follow that method or do something else. Again, your proposed solution introduces the redirects to be listed in Database reports/User categories, thereby making it far more difficult to be able to use that list to identify problem categories that need to be addressed. Even ignoring that issue I'm not entirely sure that I would be okay with category redirects; having the category blue, even as a redirect, feels far too close to comfort for me in regards to legitimizing said categories and/or encouraging their use. I absolutely don't like them as redlinks either, but if we cannot get a community consensus to actually enforce our user category policy and WP:REDNOT then my mild preference would be for the category to remain red, with no redirect, in spite of it being added to Special:WantedCategories.
 * I think we can both agree the best solution is for the users to be removed from the category in the event of deletion. It's if the users re-add themselves that we disagree on the ideal solution. Again, I say we cross that bridge when we come to it. I don't think the fear of that scenario occurring should guide a decision as to keep or delete a category, however. VegaDark (talk) 09:49, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * @VegaDark, this is all moot now that the category is empty. However, I really do think that you should step back from the big principles, and look at this pragmatically.
 * A few frivolous categories such as this do much less harm to the encyclopedia than impeding encyclopedic maintenance. Yes, CFD consensus should be upheld; yes there may not be consensus for those redirects; but while those big principles are unresolved, just avoid buggering up the cleanup lists.
 * Many tens of thousands of words were expended on this in the first half of last year, and I see no pint in going there again. Please don't suck more editorial time down that black hole for the sake of one inoffensive category on one userpage. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 11:13, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * @User:BrownHairedGirl, All I did was nominate a category. You brought up the potential situation of a user re-adding themselves after the category was deleted, so I added my position on the issue should that situation come to pass. Do you disagree with my "Cross that bridge when we come to it" approach? Are you suggesting that I need to take this possibility into account prior to the nomination process rather than simply the utility of the category to the encyclopedia? Because I certainly believe they are two distinct issues and don't feel the need to consider a user possibly ignoring a CfD consensus when nominating a category in the first place. VegaDark (talk) 01:59, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * @VegaDark, I'm suggesting exactly that. We have an unresolved disjuncture between CFD consensuses on usercats and the community's willingness to uphold those consensuses. That gap causes disruptive knock-on effects elsewhere, which causes more probs than the usercats. Sometimes, best to just let sleeping dogs lie, or else try a diplomatic approach to the usually lone occupant of the UCAT.  As you saw here, @Randykitty was friendly and helpful when pinged in a non-condemnatory comment, and kindly resolved the problem. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 02:24, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * @User:BrownHairedGirl, your request essentially amounts to me no longer nominating user categories for deletion out of fear that a consensus won't be honored, which happens in an extreme minority of user category discussions. I don't think that's a good reason to be shying away from user category nominations. Also, categories that are not deleted via consensus here generally are not able to be speedy deleted through the G4 speedy deletion criterion - When I spot a problem category I like to be sure it won't have to go through the regular deletion process if it crops up again, which happens constantly. VegaDark (talk) 09:04, 4 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment I actually cannot remember why I added that category. I've removed it now, so it's empty. Having said that, I don't really get the enormous efforts people make to remove this kind of rather harmless usercats. Sure, it's against the letter of things, but really... --Randykitty (talk) 10:30, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * PS: BTW, thanks to for pinging me. When nominating a usercat for deletion, you would think that it would be considered common courtesy to inform the users that actually use that cat, but apparently it is not. --Randykitty (talk) 10:42, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment about "CfD community consensus": in the past it has happened to me that someone took a similar usercat to CfD and then (despite the polite request not to do that) edited my user page to remove that category. If you do not inform the persons that are directly involved (because they actually are in that category), then don't be surprised if people don't respect a "community decision" of 2 or 3 people that was taken without them even being aware of the fact that there was a discussion. If BHG had not pinged me, I'd most certainly would have been miffed if some zeolous editor had then removed this cat from my user page without contacting me first. Having said all this, really, people, is this going to break the 'pedia? Do we really need to spend valuable editor time on these trivialities?? --Randykitty (talk) 05:57, 4 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians who wear tiaras
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. <b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b> xplicit  04:12, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who wear tiaras


 * Nominator's rationale: Violates WP:USERCAT as a category that cannot possibly foster encyclopedic collaboration. Appears to be some sort of irreverent/joke category. There is no encyclopedia-benefiting reason to be seeking out users in this category. VegaDark (talk) 08:15, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Carptrash: Haven't you benefited from this category?Zigzig20s (talk) 10:05, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Proposal Nominations regarding user-generated categories for Wikipedians be granted the lowest priority of any category discussions as they do not impact the articles that form the heart of the project and editors like creating them. Delete if the affected editors don't mind red links on their user pages. But this is a completely trivial user category that affects two editors and of course has no "encyclopedia-benefiting reason". Must all silliness in user space really need to be stomped out? Is it really deserving of a discussion? Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:22, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * No, @Liz please please please please please do not leave redlinked cats on userpages.
 * Per WP:REDNOT, a redlinked category is always an error.   Either the category page should be created, or the entry should be removed.
 * Leaving it as redlink on the userpage just makes it a permanent fixture on Special:WantedCategories, getting in the way of editors like me who do the maintenance of work of cleaning up the new entries which appear the at a rate of 50–150 per day. See my longer comment above, at.
 * A redlinked category is not some sort of acceptable half-way house. On the contrary, it's the worst of all options: a daily nuisance to other editors. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 05:55, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The real question here is, how many more Wikipedians wear tiaras? I would venture to say, many, but how would we find out?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:54, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * BHG, I was just thinking of Category:Wikipedians with red-linked categories on their user page which seemed like an inside joke, I didn't realize that it caused extra work. It seemed to me that spending the effort going after these tiny Wikipedian categories was misplaced considering all of the straightening out that is still necessary in the Category space. My apologies to you. I will NOT recommend red link user categories. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 04:15, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, @Liz.
 * Category:Wikipedians with red-linked categories on their user page is indeed an inside joke. It's one of two remaining redlinked cats, out of the hundred or more which existed two years ago.  It is kept as a compromise between those who want to keep a redlinked cat in memory of the old days, and those who'd like Special:WantedCategories to be completely empty. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 04:39, 5 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep it's obviously a joke, and is categorized as such. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 04:44, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Joke categories explicitly violate User_categories. VegaDark (talk) 07:56, 6 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Proposal would you mind replacing the category by a userbox? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:59, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Marcocapelle: I don't know how to create a userbox with a tiara, do you? If so, could you please help us with it? Please ping me when you reply.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:06, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * you can find the instructions on how to create a userbox here. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:39, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * OK. I have no objection to seeing this user category deleted, and I apologize for not knowing we weren't allowed to joke around on our userpages. I am not sure if I will take the time to create a userbox for this. I can simply wear a tiara secretly whenever I am editing and not tell the world. User:Carptrash has yet to tell us if he wants to keep this category, however.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:41, 8 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete and orphan. Come on. Transclude a tiara on your user page instead. --Bsherr (talk) 14:10, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep I will be somewhat sad to see this go. A decade or so I was told, "There is no place for humor on wikipedia" and I have never agreed.  Obviously the solution is for  and me to hand out a lot more tiaras.  Don't you people have anything better to do?  What comes to mind is the police handing out jaywalking tickets while  rape, murder, and mayhem  is occurring all around. Carptrash (talk) 01:17, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not the place to indulge ones humor.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:10, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:American people of French-Vietnamese descent
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (Talk) 18:28, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american people of french-vietnamese descent


 * Nominator's rationale: "French-Vietnamese" is not a defined ethnic group in its own right, it is a combination of two discrete ethnicities -- every single person here has separate lines of French and Vietnamese ancestry, rather than belonging to one named or defined "French-Vietnamese" ethnic group. In an increasingly multiethnic world, we can't feasibly create a category for every possible combination of multiple ethnicities that people might have. Bearcat (talk) 05:07, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete like a ramdom intersection of topics. If people must be labeled use Frence and Vietnamise both. Problem solved. Legacypac (talk) 06:59, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per Legacypac. Categories like this are unnecessary when "American people of French descent" and "American people of Vietnamese descent" already exist. Nanophosis (talk) 16:24, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This isn't a clearly defined group like Spanish Filipino, it's as Bearcat says, some people who have separate French and Vietnamese ethnicity. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 04:47, 6 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:New Zealand supercentenarians
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to parent categories. <b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b> xplicit  04:12, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting new zealand supercentenarians


 * Nominator's rationale: Another supercentenarian category with only one page, a redirect which points to a list containing the subject's nationality. Superfluous. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 03:17, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete totally useless cat. Legacypac (talk) 06:53, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete This category is useless and is serving no substantive purpose in this encyclopedia. Newshunter12 (talk) 07:40, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Supercentenarians and their various categories are being added in some places, and deleted from others. A consistent approach is needed, but I am unsure where that should be.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 05:00, 4 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete- and it might be time to take a systematic look at all the gerontology cruft. <b style="color: Maroon;">Reyk</b> <b style="color: Blue;">YO!</b> 09:23, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete and agree completely with . --Randykitty (talk) 10:31, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to both parents: Category:Supercentenarians and Category:New Zealand centenarians. Too small to keep, but the nom @The Blade of the Northern Lights gives no justification for this proposal to remove these people from the parent categories. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 12:38, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to both parents: Category:Supercentenarians and Category:New Zealand centenarians. Oculi (talk) 00:34, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge. Per BrownHairedGirl. --Bsherr (talk) 14:59, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Classical Syria
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. <b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b> xplicit  04:12, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Classical Syria to Category:Syria in the Roman era
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT, based on the category content this is apparently about the post-Seleucid, hence Roman, period in Syrian history. Further rationale see nomination below. This is a follow-up on this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:44, 23 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:03, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Classical Syria may imply Hellenistic Coele-Syria, Roman Syria as well as Byzantine Syria. May either be a disambig category or a group category on its own right (as it is now).GreyShark (dibra) 07:31, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * What do you mean with "may imply"? Is it a characteristic that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having, per WP:DEFINING? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:49, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Category:Syria in the Roman era refers to Roman Syria and should be renamed.GreyShark (dibra) 20:57, 21 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Syria in the Greco-Roman era of which the Roman can be a subcat. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:27, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This suggests it was a single era, which is factually incorrect. In the Hellenistic period Syria was not Greek, it was an independent country and just had Greek cultural influences. That changed entirely when the Romans occupied the country. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

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 * Question What period is being included? Can someone say what dates?--Dthomsen8 (talk) 05:05, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Reply The Roman province of Syria existed from 64 BC – 135 AD. However, later Roman entities in the territory of the modern state of Syria lasted until the Muslim conquests. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:04, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Classical Syria can refer to Hellenic Coele-Syria province (332-64 BCE), Roman Syria (64 BCE-135 CE), Roman Syria Palaestina (135-390 CE), parallel Roman Syria-Coele (200-314), then Byzantine Syria Prima (414-636) and Syria Secunda. Palmyrene Empire, which briefly broke away from Rome, is also considered to be a Classical Syria.GreyShark (dibra) 08:23, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * may imply and can refer - it is far from clear that Classical Syria is common terminology. We have Classical Greece but that refers to a completely different period. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:07, 7 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep and Broaden scope as a parent for all the things just mentioned. This should essentially be a container for the main articles on the various periods and period-related categories.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:28, 14 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Classical Palestine
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. <b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b> xplicit  04:12, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Classical Palestine to Category:Ancient Jewish Greek history and Category:Israel in the Roman era and Category:State of Palestine in the Roman era (the latter added 25 October)
 * Nominator's rationale: split, the word 'classical' is normally used only for the Greek and Roman civilizations as such (besides Classical Greece preceded Hellenism), I have never seen it been used for countries in the Middle East in the Hellenistic or Roman era. Since we already have a Greek and Roman category in this case, the content can simply be dispersed. This is a follow-up on this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:39, 23 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. You might also consider adding Category:State of Palestine in the Roman era. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:04, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, yes, I've added this to the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 25 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose - while Israel in the Roman era may imply to the Hasmonean Kingdom and Palestine in the Roman era may imply Roman Palaestina, the State of Palestine in the Roman era is a completely anachronistic notion. I do not like anachronistic categories. Period.GreyShark (dibra) 07:29, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Moreover I think that having both Category:Israel in the Roman era and Category:State of Palestine in the Roman era is far from ideal. They'd better be merged to Category:Palestina (region) in the Roman era). But discussing the targets needs to be done in another discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:46, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You mean they both should be merged/split into Category:Judea (Roman province) and newly created category:Syria Palaestina. Roman Palaestina is referring to Syria Palaestina.GreyShark (dibra) 11:23, 31 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Palestine in the Greco-Roman era of which the Roman can be a subcat; there was neither an Israel or State of Palestine during the Greco-Roman era, and we have used "Palestine" for the English version of "Palestina". Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:29, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Israel/Palestine was first occupied by the Syrians (Seleucids), then independent, and finally conquered by the Romans. Having a parent category for these three very different periods (other than an Ancient parent category) makes little sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * These alternatives wrongly conflates a "by region" tree structure with a "by modern state" tree structure. The two should be kept separate. This nom is about the region. Open separate discussions for the "by state" questions please. They also wrongly conflate different time periods when entirely different cultural pressures were brought to bear on the regions under discussion. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:41, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

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 * Question What period is being included? Can someone say what dates?--Dthomsen8 (talk) 05:07, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Classical Palestine is typically referring to the period of Roman rule of the Syria Palaestina province (135-390 CE) and later Byzantine Palaestina Prima (390-636), Palaestina Secunda (390-636) and Palaestina Salutaris (500s-636) provinces. So it is more or less 135-630s of the common era. Some editors want to connect the concept of Roman and Byzantine Classical Palestine with modern Arab State of Palestine, which in my opinion is very misleading.GreyShark (dibra) 08:27, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * "Classical" includes the Byzantine era? I have never seen an assertion like that any earlier. This is a case where already-existing Roman categories suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:13, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I am assuming that you did not read the article on Classical antiquity: "Classical antiquity(also the classical era, classical period or classical age) is the period of cultural history between the 8th century BC and the 5th or 6th century AD centered on the Mediterranean Sea, comprising the interlocking civilizations of ancient Greece and ancient Rome, collectively known as the Greco-Roman world. It is the period in which Greek and Roman society flourished and wielded great influence throughout Europe, North Africa and Western Asia." Dimadick (talk) 09:39, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Exactly and so it ended with the fall of Ancient Rome, not with the occupation of Palestina by the Arabs. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:45, 7 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Serbian supercentenarians
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 * The result of the discussion was: speedily deleted. (non-admin closure) Bsherr (talk) 13:21, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting serbian supercentenarians


 * Nominator's rationale: Consists of one unverified claim. Nowhere near enough for a category. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 02:45, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete categoroes are for you know groups of articles. Legacypac (talk) 06:56, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete This category is useless and is serving no substantive purpose in this encyclopedia, as categories are for groups of articles, not one offs. Newshunter12 (talk) 07:42, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per all the above. Cruft --Randykitty (talk) 10:32, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to both parents: Category:Supercentenarians and Category:Serbian centenarians. Too small to keep, but the nom @The Blade of the Northern Lights gives no justification for this proposal to remove these people from the parent categories. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 12:39, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge per BrownHairedGirl. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to both parents: Category:Supercentenarians and Category:Serbian centenarians. Oculi (talk) 00:35, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment someone went ahead and emptied this category. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:56, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The category only contained Slava Ivančević, this article has meanwhile been deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:14, 14 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Ecuadorian supercentenarians
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to parent categories. <b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b> xplicit  04:12, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ecuadorian supercentenarians


 * Nominator's rationale: Category with only one person in it. Is this really necessary? Longevity articles are grossly hyper-categorized as a legacy of the Gerontology Research Group using Wikipedia as a dumping ground for their material, this is the result. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 02:17, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete useless beyond useless Legacypac (talk) 06:54, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete This category is useless and is serving no substantive purpose in this encyclopedia, as categories are for groups of articles, not one offs. Newshunter12 (talk) 07:44, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per all the above. Cruft --Randykitty (talk) 10:33, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to both parents: Category:Supercentenarians and Category:Ecuadorian centenarians. Too small to keep, but the nom @The Blade of the Northern Lights gives no justification for this proposal to remove these articles from the parent categories. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 12:40, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge per BrownHairedGirl. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to both parents Category:Supercentenarians and Category:Ecuadorian centenarians. Oculi (talk) 00:36, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge per BrownHairedGirl. --Bsherr (talk) 13:17, 26 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Poem based on life
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (Talk) 18:28, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting poem based on life


 * Nominator's rationale: Not withstanding that the sole member of this category is up for deletion and the title would be incorrect, the idea that anything can be categorised as 'based on life' is laughable. Richhoncho (talk) 01:03, 3 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. All poetry, to some greater or lesser extent, is "based on life", because poems are about things that the poet has observed (seen, heard, thought, etc.) during the process of living. So this is an indiscriminately silly category that is not a defining characteristic of poetry, because it doesn't distinguish some poems from others. Bearcat (talk) 04:51, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete meaningless per Bearcat Legacypac (talk) 06:55, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Practically all forms of literature are based on life. Even fantasy is typically used to explore ideas concerning politics, ethics, etc. Dimadick (talk) 16:36, 4 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Roman Catholic trade unionists
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (Talk) 18:31, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic trade unionists to Category:Trade unionists
 * Nominator's rationale: While Roman Catholic trade unions are a legitimate topic, simply being a member of the Roman Catholic church and being notable as a trade unionist is a non-notable intersection. TM 00:57, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I could be notable in the context of Catholic social teaching... Dentren  |  Ta lk  02:01, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support I support the merge. --Dthomsen8 (talk) 05:10, 4 December 2018 (UTC)


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