Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 December 31



Category:Removed Confederate States of America monuments and memorials

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 20:25, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Removed Confederate States of America monuments and memorials to Category:Removed Confederate monuments and memorials
 * Nominator's rationale: Compare with the main article: Removal of Confederate monuments and memorials. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:22, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Support renaming per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 18:20, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose inprecise name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:34, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Support sufficiently precise. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:30, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose Confederacy lists a variety of meanings and the target assumes an American audience, see WP:GLOBAL. RevelationDirect (talk) 18:36, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Confederate States of America monuments and memorials

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 20:27, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Confederate States of America monuments and memorials to Category:Confederate monuments and memorials
 * Nominator's rationale: Compare with the main article: List of Confederate monuments and memorials. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:07, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * That's a great idea. I support it. deisenbe (talk) 01:23, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Support renaming per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 18:20, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose inprecise name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:34, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Support sufficiently precise. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:31, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose Confederacy lists a variety of meanings and the target assumes an American audience, see WP:GLOBAL. RevelationDirect (talk) 18:36, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Artists by Japanese record label

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:31, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting artists by japanese record label


 * Nominator's rationale: We don't need a scheme of artists by record label nationality (and, in fact, we don't as this is miscategorized under Category:Artists by record label). This is a trivial fact that doesn't help with navigation. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:40, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. I created it because a similar category exists for South Korean labels. And the category actually helps navigation a lot because if you are into J-pop you get to browse only the categories related go Japan. Actually, the category has already helped me a lot. --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:54, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Doesn't Category:J-pop musicians already serve that purpose? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:57, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No, you can't browse by label there. And actually, I don't know why the Category:J-pop musicians event exists. All modern Japanese music (including rock) is classified as J-pop by the industry. --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:27, 1 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Products by company

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 * The result of the discussion was: reverse merge. Any issues with subcategories can be handled either as speedies (C2C, as applicable) or through another CfD. I feel there has been enough consideration of the overall tree here to make this merge as a start. Pinging  as someone who would likely be interested in going through this tree. ~ Rob 13 Talk 03:12, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Products by company to Category:Products by manufacturer
 * Nominator's rationale: Almost duplicate category, problems with interwikis. ŠJů (talk) 22:17, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Reverse merge Category:Products by manufacturer into Category:Products by company. DexDor(talk) 14:54, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * comment the entire Category:Products by manufacturer subcategory scheme needs to be reviewed and discussed before any such changes are made. Hmains (talk) 03:15, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmains, can you specify which aspects of the scheme need review/discussion? DexDor(talk) 06:52, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * just noticing all the 'by manufacturer' sub categories and sub-sub categories. I wonder whether all these can be appropriately renamed to 'by company' Hmains (talk) 03:11, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge or reverse merge per nom. But I can imagine we later create a subcategory either Category:Products by type of company or Category:Products by individual company (these two being each others' complement). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 3 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Question - Many companies today own brands and develop prototypes under that name but contract outside firms (often in China, for example) for the actual manufacturing. How is this nuance currently handled (having the two categories) and how would merging the categories allow for distinguishing between companies that own and sell branded products, and the companies that manufacture them?--John Cline (talk) 09:52, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * It's a good question and I don't expect anyone has thought about this before. I'm guessing that products manufactured by another company than the companies that sells them are are not defined by the manufacturing company, so then it's perhaps not an issue. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:41, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Reverse Merge (or Merge a Nominated) Although in theory, you could have manufacturers/distributors/retailers, in practice this is one category. I prefer by "company" but by "manufacturer" is better than leaving two categories. RevelationDirect (talk) 18:39, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge Category:Products by manufacturer into Category:Products by company. As others have mentioned, products from a company may not necessarily be manufactured by that company. Reverse merging avoids this issue. Also, consider categories like Category:IBM products. It contains subcategories like Category:IBM services and Category:IBM software. These subcategories are about IBM products, but would they make much sense in a category tree that has Category:Products by manufacturer as the root? Are services and software manufactured? 99Electrons (talk) 21:30, 21 February 2019 (UTC)


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Places of worship by city (United States)

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge all per nom. The argument that there is a realistic potential for growth was successfully refuted by RevelationDirect, who pointed out that it is tremendously unclear that there are sufficient notable non-Christian places of worship in these towns to justify these categories. No such places of worship were advanced as potential articles. No prejudice against future recreation if such articles come into being. ~ Rob 13 Talk 03:10, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Places of worship in Asheville, North Carolina to Category:Buildings and structures in Asheville, North Carolina and Category:Places of worship in North Carolina
 * Propose merging Category:Places of worship in Cedar Rapids, Iowa to Category:Buildings and structures in Cedar Rapids, Iowa and Category:Places of worship in Iowa
 * Propose merging Category:Places of worship in Fort Worth, Texas to Category:Buildings and structures in Fort Worth, Texas and Category:Places of worship in Texas
 * Propose merging Category:Places of worship in Hagerstown, Maryland to Category:Religion in Hagerstown, Maryland, Category:Buildings and structures in Hagerstown, Maryland and Category:Places of worship in Maryland
 * Propose merging Category:Places of worship in Huntsville, Alabama to Category:Buildings and structures in Huntsville, Alabama and Category:Places of worship in Alabama
 * Propose merging Category:Places of worship in Long Beach, California to Category:Buildings and structures in Long Beach, California and Category:Places of worship in California
 * Propose merging Category:Places of worship in Lubbock, Texas to Category:Buildings and structures in Lubbock, Texas and Category:Places of worship in Texas
 * Propose merging Category:Places of worship in Miami to Category:Religion in Miami, Category:Buildings and structures in Miami and Category:Places of worship in Florida
 * Propose merging Category:Places of worship in Mobile, Alabama to Category:Religion in Mobile, Alabama, Category:Buildings and structures in Mobile, Alabama and Category:Places of worship in Alabama
 * Propose merging Category:Places of worship in Pasadena, California to Category:Buildings and structures in Pasadena, California and Category:Places of worship in California
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, all the above categories only contain 1 article next to a churches subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:19, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Upmerge we do not need every possible level of category in a potential tree filled out.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:35, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose WP:SMALLCAT does not apply. SMALLCAT is for categories "will never have more than a few members" and "does not preclude all small categories; a category which does have realistic potential for growth [...] may be kept even if only a small number of its articles actually exist at the present time." Many of the recent nominations citing WP:SMALLCAT as a reason for deletion are invalid applications of that guideline. WP:SMALLCAT also makes it clear that if categories are part of a wider subcategorisation scheme (in this case, places of worship by city), then it does not apply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grutness (talk • contribs) 01:49, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Upmerge All While there may be more houses of worship, it's not at all clear they are notable enough for a Wikipedia article. No objection to recreating if any get up to 5 or so articles. If this was by state/province, I would be one thing, but there are thousands upon thousands of municipalities RevelationDirect (talk) 18:41, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose per the other oppose vote, the usage of WP:SMALLCAT is misused in this nomination. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 19:21, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


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Cathedrals in Germany

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. ~ Rob 13 Talk 03:15, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic cathedrals in Lower Saxony to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Lower Saxony and Category:Roman Catholic cathedrals in Germany
 * Propose merging Category:Roman Catholic cathedrals in Saxony to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Saxony and Category:Roman Catholic cathedrals in Germany
 * Propose merging Category:Lutheran cathedrals in Hamburg to Category:Lutheran churches in Hamburg and Category:Lutheran cathedrals in Germany
 * Propose merging Category:Lutheran cathedrals in Saxony to Category:Lutheran churches in Saxony and Category:Lutheran cathedrals in Germany
 * Propose merging Category:Lutheran cathedrals in Saxony-Anhalt to Category:Protestant churches in Saxony-Anhalt and Category:Lutheran cathedrals in Germany
 * Propose deleting Category:Cathedrals in Baden-Württemberg
 * Propose deleting Category:Cathedrals in Bavaria
 * Propose deleting Category:Cathedrals in Berlin
 * Propose deleting Category:Cathedrals in Hamburg (but add Domkirche St. Marien to Category:Churches in Hamburg)
 * Propose deleting Category:Cathedrals in Hesse
 * Propose deleting Category:Cathedrals in North Rhine-Westphalia
 * Propose deleting Category:Cathedrals in Lower Saxony
 * Propose deleting Category:Cathedrals in Rhineland-Palatinate
 * Propose deleting Category:Cathedrals in Saxony
 * Propose deleting Category:Cathedrals in Saxony-Anhalt
 * Nominator's rationale: merge/delete per WP:SMALLCAT, there are too few cathedrals in Germany to make a full split per federal state per denomination. With this nomination Category:Roman Catholic cathedrals in Germany and Category:Lutheran cathedrals in Germany are kept, as well as a few subcats in some federal states (e.g. in Bavaria) in case they are sizeable enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Support all but I wonder if Category:Protestant churches in Saxony-Anhalt should also be renamed to Category:Lutheran churches in Saxony-Anhalt ? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:41, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No, both the Evangelical Church of Anhalt and the Evangelical Church in Central Germany are a United Protestant church. At the same time, it is not wrong to merge the cathedrals to Category:Lutheran cathedrals in Germany because they have been Lutheran in the past. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:26, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * But is it not the case that both churches are still Lutheran (as opposed to, say, Calvinist) in theology? Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:23, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Probably not, otherwise they wouldn't have merged with the Calvinists. In the neighbouring country in the Netherlands which I am more familiar with, the Protestant Church in the Netherlands contains a lot of former Calvinist parishes that aren't truly Calvinist anymore nor have converted to Lutheranism. The borders between Calvinism and Lutheranism have simply evaporated. I suppose something similar happened in Germany. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:56, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Support Categories are too small to aid navigation with little room for growth. No objection to recreating if any cats get up to 5 or so articles. RevelationDirect (talk) 18:43, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose each of these categories contains a category which has a fair share of articles. The usage of these categories as container categories is useful and far from problematic. I never new that having more than 4 articles in a category and it was still considered WP:SMALLCAT. The usage of WP:SMALLCAT in the nomination is therefore erroneous. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 19:24, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Support all; the nomination appears to be carefully constructed, keeping various sub-categories that have sufficient contents to be helpful for navigation. For example, Category:Roman Catholic cathedrals in Rhineland-Palatinate will remain, and is already in other categories for cathedrals and for churches in the location. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:37, 17 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Articles with short description

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. There are many competing proposals here, with no clear consensus for any of them. If we were to rename, it would likely need to apply to the whole tree. A wider discussion is needed. ~ Rob 13 Talk 03:05, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Articles with short description to Category:Articles with short descriptions
 * Nominator's rationale: "Articles with ITEM" isn't good English. If this were an ordinary template-transcluded category, I'd just edit the template to change the name of the transcluded category, speedy delete the existing category under G8, and create a new category at the correct name.  However, this category currently has  articles, so it's not safe to do anything without a discussion. Nyttend (talk) 02:17, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep as is. short description is a Wikipedia term of art, not a generic descriptor subject to good English. The relevant WikiProject should be pinged by nominator. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:35, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Also Keep existing title. The category refers to the template short description and not the generic term. OTOH, if it were renamed, the whole tree should be renamed for consistency. — AfroThundr (u · t · c) 05:02, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Rename entire tree. It would be editorially irresponsible to willfully retain this category with such a plainly obvious grammatical inconsistency, especially when it belies our own best practice and published naming conventions. The template's singular title is never retained (for any artful reason) when plurality is grammatically required. Consider, for example, that its use is governed by WikiProject Short descriptions and that the first descriptive sentence in each of these misnamed categories is that they are "pages with short descriptions". Consider, as well, the following examples (far from an exhaustive list):
 * R from personal name which categorizes to Redirects from personal names
 * R from married name which categorizes to Redirects from married names
 * R from proper noun which categorizes to Redirects from proper nouns
 * R from misspelling which categorizes to Redirects from misspellings
 * R from filename which categorizes to Redirects from filenames
 * R to joint biography which categorizes to Redirects to joint biographies
 * R from shortcut which categorizes to Redirects from shortcuts
 * R from postal code which categorizes to Redirects from postal codes
 * Showing but a few, you can review the entire list and will not find such mismatched grammar. There is no special case for retaining it here.--John Cline (talk) 12:30, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree. --Daviddwd (talk) 04:36, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I really don't care whether there should be a renaming or not; after all, the meaning is clear. However, since most articles have only one short description, the logically correct title for a rename would be "Category:Articles with a short description". --RexxS (talk) 13:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I concur that Articles with a short description would be an aptly more correct title; continuing to believe that they should be renamed. Thank you for appending your insight here.--John Cline (talk) 13:26, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Good point; I also agree with this idea. Nyttend (talk) 12:17, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I would also not be opposed to this variation. — AfroThundr (u · t · c) 23:07, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Question, does anyone have an idea about the technical implications of the proposed move, with this many articles involved? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:02, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, the renaming is merely a matter of changing the category name in Template:Short description. That will create a fairly large queue as the servers update all of the transclusions. It's the sort of load that occurs when a parameter is added or removed in a template such as infobox person, so we should try to get it right first time if a rename is agreed on. --RexxS (talk) 21:17, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Marcocapelle, see the second sentence of my nomination statement; the servers indeed will have tons of work, but it's trivial for any human who has the user rights to edit the template. Nyttend (talk) 13:02, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * So how bad is it when the servers have this amount of work? Can it affect reachability of Wikipedia, or can it substantially decrease the speed of other tasks being processed? Marcocapelle (talk) 13:13, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * See Help:Job queue. In short, tasks like this one run when the server has some spare time.  It will definitely take hours to implement (maybe days?), but this isn't something that will slow down the server, let alone crash it.  Nyttend (talk) 15:57, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. First, both "articles with a short description" and "articles with short descriptions" are grammatically correct English, with the plural being preferred, contra . I find switching to either of these more grammatical forms to be trivial, and agree with that can be interpreted as grammatical if we understand the "short description" to be a reference to the template. Daask (talk) 17:25, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Not that I'm disagreeing with the sentiment that switching to a more grammatical form is trivial, but the thread at Stack Exchange really doesn't contradict my argument: "... the distributive singular may also be used to focus on individual instances ... The singular is sometimes used to avoid ambiguity ... It is incumbent, therefore, on the maker of the message to anticipate when ... the message is inherently ambiguous ... the message needs to be phrased in such a way as to be clear to the recipient how many of the items are involved for each ...". I don't agree that the plural is preferred when the audience can't be expected to know from their prior experience whether an article will contain one or many templates; in such a case I believe the singular removes any ambiguity. YMMV --RexxS (talk) 17:47, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * So if it's grammatical, why is this form not followed by any of the redirect templates? Nyttend (talk) 20:15, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * They don't seem to be the same scenario, since there is (normally) only one short description for an article, yet there can be multiple redirects (and of multiple types). — AfroThundr (u · t · c) 23:07, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Alternate proposal to rename to Category:Articles with a short description; A standard approach to short descriptions is that there can only be one per article; a description that best fits the subject. Renaming per nominator proposal would not make sense with this approach. Jalen D. Folf   (talk)  22:22, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Rename This should have been a C2A, but either way it's a clear grammar improvement. &#123;&#123;3x&#124;p&#125;&#125;ery (talk) 03:06, 17 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Romance suspense

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 11:48, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting romance suspense


 * Nominator's rationale: Only a sub cat in it. Not even a category description JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 01:48, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional pawnbrokers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 11:52, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fictional pawnbrokers to Category:Fictional brokers
 * Nominator's rationale: Small cat with only 2 cats, and I would say that it's not even defining for Belle. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 01:47, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete We have one person for whom it is defining, and that is not enough to justify a category. The term "broker" is general English is never used alone for this profession, nor is this seen as a sub-cat of the broker profession, it is a distinct profession that just has a shared name with real estate brokers and other possible brokers, so the upmerge is not justified.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:38, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose merger; neutral on deletion -- A pawnbroker is the provider of a particular kind of finance. A broker is a dealer who is an intermediary (eg stockbroker).  They are sufficiently different for merger to be inappropriate.  Peterkingiron (talk) 23:04, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Hospitals in Riga

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Hospitals in Latvia per discussion consensus. (non-admin closure) UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:22, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Hospitals in Riga to Category:Hospitals in Latvia
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge to Category:Hospitals in Latvia per WP:SMALLCAT, UnitedStatesian (talk) 00:23, 31 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:01, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, but also merge to Category:Buildings and structures in Riga. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:05, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Upmerge one article categories are not needed.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:38, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


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