Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 January 11



Category:RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta presenters

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 * The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn - Issue fixed, No need to let this continue. – Davey 2010 Talk 23:12, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting rté raidió na gaeltachta presenters

– Davey 2010 Talk 22:19, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I've added the presenter to the article thus making this category technically empty. – Davey 2010 Talk 22:26, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Adding a page to a list does not justify its removal from a category. So no, that would not make this category technically empty. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:37, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I've not removed anything from the category - I've simply added presenter to the article, Inregards to the "technically empty" thing... well we'll have to agree to disagree but I personally still think the category is pointless for one article, Cheers, – Davey 2010 Talk 22:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Good. So the technically empty comment was silly. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep (as creator). I dunnno why I didn't populate this properly when I created it, but 5 minutes work now got it up to 10 articles. Note that WP:SMALLCAT does not apply to categories which have realistic potential for growth.  It's a pity that the nominator  didn't take 60 seconds to see whether this one had realistic potential for growth.  -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:44, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * - Incase it's not apparently obvious I have no knowledge at all with categories so you not doing whatever it is you done to it is not my problem, If you don't want editors nominating your creations in good faith then how about double-checking these things before making them live!, Withdrawn anyway. – Davey 2010 Talk 22:50, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * V odd, Davey2010. If you have no knowledge at all with categories and don't want to spend a few minutes reading up on them, why launch straight into a deletion nomination? Good faith involves a bit of WP:BEFORE. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:03, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Nothing odd about it, "If you have no knowledge at all with categories and don't want to spend a few minutes reading up on them, why launch straight into a deletion nomination? The only thing that's very odd is you not viewing your creations AFTER you've created them, Maybe because I didn't realise there was an error with it ?" ... Maybe I took the category at face value as anyone would have done?, I don't work with cats so have no interest in doing BEFORE and all that - I saw one entry and figured CFD was obviously for the best, As I said if you don't want your stuff nominated then make sure they're all okay beforehand, Have a great day. – Davey 2010 Talk 23:10, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Argentine governors

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Governors of provinces of Argentina, without prejudice against any future nomination to consider alternative naming conventions. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:11, 11 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Argentine governors to Category:Governors of provinces of Argentina
 * Nominator's rationale: per Provinces of Argentina, and to clarify that this is about provincial governance rather than colonial era. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:36, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. &#x2230; Bellezzasolo &#x2721;   Discuss  15:43, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Category:Governors and heads of sub-national entities by country lacks a clear convention, so either Category:Governors of provinces of Argentina (similar to Category:Governors of provinces of Chile) or Category:Provincial governors of Argentina (similar to Category:State governors of Brazil‎ and Category:Provincial governors of the Philippines‎) would be acceptable. -- Black Falcon (talk) 06:13, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Both options clarify the scope, so either is fine by me. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:34, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom, mainly because we need to make clear this is limited to those serving as governors of provinces of Argentina, not colonial governors over Argentina, and not Argentines who may have served as governors elsewhere. The proper order can be finalized in a general discussion on the whole category tree, but this is clearly not in compliance as it is currently formulated.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:12, 9 February 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Alela Diane

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:44, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting alela diane


 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous category per WP:OCEPON. Only album articles which are appropriately categorized without need of this as a parent. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 20:33, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. As always, a musician does not automatically get an eponymous category just because she has a WP:BLP and an "albums by" category — eponymous categories only get created for people who have a lot of spinoff content that needs person-related categorization beyond the standard categorization schemes that every musician already has. For example, has eight subcategories, not just one for her albums, and 31 other articles besides her BLP that are related to her in ways that wouldn't fit any of the standard categories. Bearcat (talk) 18:27, 13 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Youth organizations by date of disestablishment

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:43, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting youth organizations by date of disestablishment


 * Nominator's rationale: One entry - a subcategory. Hard to see why we would want to categorise Youth organizations by date of disestablishment. Rathfelder (talk) 20:07, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Youth organizations disestablished in the 1960s

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:42, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting youth organizations disestablished in the 1960s


 * Nominator's rationale: One entry. Hard to see why we would want to categorise Youth organizations by date of disestablishment. Rathfelder (talk) 20:06, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Growth media

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Category:Growth media to Category:Cell culture media. Pinging the participants to do any necessary cleanup: . -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:08, 26 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Growth media to Category:Microbiological media
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OVERLAPCAT. There is no apparent difference between the two. The pages in both categories could be in either. Ajpolino (talk) 19:36, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - growth media include microbiological media, but the reverse is not true; growth media include media for sustaining mammalian cells lines, for example, that do not fall under microbiological media. &mdash; soupvector (talk) 05:19, 13 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Support. Some of the growth media listed are agars used for isolating organisms, not supporting growth.  The category is therefore at least misnamed.  Not sure I agree with soupvector, that cell lines are not "microbiological".  If there are members in Category:Microbiological media are are specifically for supporting tissue growth (or stasis) as opposed to growth of single cells, then they should be moved out to a new category.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:22, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose While some cell lines might be used for some microbiological applications, many others are used for cell biology - so "microbiological" would not be inclusive of "cell lines" (they simply overlap); RPMI is one example of this (I have used this in my lab almost exclusively for growing human lymphocytes - not for microbiology). Perhaps SmokeyJoe could point out (or just fix) those listed pages that are not growth media (and therefore should have the "growth media" category link removed); I do see some agars that are supplemented with nutrients (making them both growth media and microbiological media). &mdash; soupvector (talk) 02:54, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Reviewing Cell culture, I suggest two parallel categories: Category:Microbiological media Category:Cell culture media. Neither specify "growth" versus "stasis".
 * Category:Microbiology contains Category:Microbiological media. For microbes.
 * Category:Cell culture contains Category:Cell culture media. For cell culture, cells from multicellular organisms, insects to humans.
 * i.e. Rename Category:Growth media to Category:Cell culture media.  Clean up membership, eg New York City Agar belongs under Category:Microbiology not under Category:Cell culture.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:16, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I support this alternative proposal - thanks for this excellent suggestion. &mdash; soupvector (talk) 00:50, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Support this as well as original proposal (as nom). Thanks all for your thoughts! Ajpolino (talk) 16:15, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Paintings depicting Daniel

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all per revised nomination, without prejudice to re-creating any of them if and when there are more than 5 articles to put in them. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:50, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Paintings depicting Daniel to Category:Paintings depicting Hebrew Bible prophets Category:Paintings depicting Hebrew Bible people and Category:Daniel
 * Propose merging Category:Paintings depicting Isaiah to Category:Paintings depicting Hebrew Bible prophets and Category:Isaiah
 * Propose merging Category:Paintings depicting Jeremiah to Category:Paintings depicting Hebrew Bible prophets and Category:Jeremiah
 * Propose merging Category:Paintings depicting Jonah to Category:Paintings depicting Hebrew Bible prophets and Category:Jonah
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge to parent categories per WP:SMALLCAT, only 1-3 articles in each of these categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:33, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom the Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Jonah categories. Oppose merging the Daniel category Daniel is not considered a prophet in Judaism, and the Book of Daniel is excluded from the prophetic books. The relevant article specifically calls attention to the exclusion. Dimadick (talk) 09:47, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Good point about Daniel, I have adapted the merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:12, 13 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Support last three (unless we can get at least 5 articles), but Daniel is different. (1) Judaism places the book in writings (not prophets).  (2) between Daniel in the Lions Den; the three children in the firey furnace and perhaps apocryhal additions such as Susannah, there is probably enough for Category:Paintings depicting the Book of Daniel.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:10, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Currently we have only two articles, I can't imagine that it will quickly grow to a much bigger number. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 14 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Civic youth organizations

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 * The result of the discussion was: disperse among Category:Political youth organizations and possibly other categories in the tree of Category:Youth organizations.  would you want to go ahead dispersing and could you ping me when the category is empty? (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 09:27, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Civic youth organizations to Category:Youth organizations
 * Nominator's rationale: Poorly defined. Most of the entries related to programs run by the American Legion which didn't appear to be organisations at all and I've put them in that category. The distinction between this and Political youth organizations seems a bit subjective Rathfelder (talk) 11:51, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * IIRC I had created this to host Otpor and similar. These were NGOs that were not political as in party-affiliated, just generally civic-minded. If you have to merge it somewhere, I suppose the political youth organisations category is a better destination than the generic one. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 17:15, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Happy to disperse the articles if we agree that civic doesnt work. Arguably large numbers of youth and child organisations are civic minded. Rathfelder (talk) 20:10, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Recent years

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:40, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting recent years


 * Nominator's rationale: Speedy deletion contested. CfD seemed appropriate. See discussion on talk page. Empty category on an editing area discussed at a recent RfC and, in my reading, deemed surplus to requirements. Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete the community agrees that there is no need or desire to delineate between some arcane definition of "recent years" and "non-recent years". The Rambling Man (talk) 10:54, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Too poorly defined to be useful. Rathfelder (talk) 11:52, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per The Rambling Man....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:40, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I created this category as part of an attempt to reform the walled garden of recent years articles. It now appears that instead of being reformed, WP:RY just isn’t a thing anymore, and that is probably fo the best. That being the case this category is no longer needed as it’s only purpose was to identify what articles fell under the scope of that now non-existent guideline. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Given the scope is "years since 2002", this does nothing that subcategories of and  do or could do just as easily. Grutness...  wha?   22:53, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete No clear definition, and content likely to change as years pass. This is not how we categorize time periods. Dimadick (talk) 09:52, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Definition depends on POV. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:11, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Even less appropriate than Category:Recent_decades, Category:Recent_centuries and Category:Recent_millenia.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:25, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Cloverfield films

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, without prejudice to recreation if and when it can contain more than 3 pages. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:48, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting cloverfield films


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT; better as a list or navbox Joeyconnick (talk) 06:42, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment The category is now empty, so can be speedy deleted.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I presume that Cloverfield and 10 Cloverfield Lane were in this category, is that right? Marcocapelle (talk) 18:59, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know - when I checked the category this morning, it was empty at the time.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:01, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Did you empty the category? Were Cloverfield and 10 Cloverfield Lane in it, or anything else? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:03, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did empty the category before I made the deletion request... sorry if that wasn't the proper procedure. It couldn't be deleted simply by doing so because someone had actually edited the category page. It had 3 elements: Cloverfield, 10 Cloverfield Lane, God Particle (film)—and had been recently created (yesterday, I think) so my impetus was to nip it in the bud as a WP:SMALLCAT. Are we supposed to propose it for deletion first? —Joeyconnick (talk) 19:20, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That's correct. It's usually difficult for fellow editors to discuss a category when they don't even know what is / was in it. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:56, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, I guess I will revert the category removals from those pages. My apologies. —Joeyconnick (talk) 04:19, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ —Joeyconnick (talk) 04:23, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Potential for significant growth.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:27, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


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