Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 January 3



Category:Anthozoa by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:48, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Anthozoa by country to Category:Anthozoa by location
 * Nominator's rationale: Most of the anthozoa-by-country categories have been deleted (e.g. by Categories for discussion/Log/2017 December 21). It's generally better to categorize fauna (especially marine fauna) by regions rather than by countries. DexDor(talk) 21:43, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Support – one needs several countries to justify a 'by country' sub-scheme. Oculi (talk) 19:26, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:33, 6 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Dead South Korean Musicians

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting dead south korean musicians


 * Nominator's rationale: There should not be general categories like that without any criterias (like musicians which were murdered etc.), all musicians will be dead at some point. We dont have "Category:Dead American musicians", "Dead Basketball players" etc. either. Snowflake91  (talk) 21:42, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

I believe it should not be deleted. Yes, everyone will eventually die, but it's not like everyone will die in 5 seconds. Music in Korea has been a thing for several decades, centuries maybe, and this list alone only has 7 notable people listed, and no one on that list has died of a natural cause. Even then, a list of "Korean Musicians who committed suicide" wouldn't pass because there's "Suicide in South Korea" (no one even THOUGHT of adding a list there.) and Sungjae is the only one on the list who was murdered (his case hasn't even had confirmation in the last 20 years.) I believe the list should be kept. Besides, it's easier than "Suicide in Korea" in general, as mixing so many entertainers, politicians, and musicians can be time consuming for readers. This category would be easier because they can find the entertainers they are looking for. And I feel the only person who'd really look up murdered musicians or suicide would be either a pedophile, a serial killer, an activist, a very depressed person, or a terrorist. Believe me, this is general, but because occurrence of notable stars is rare, efficient.-K-popguardian (talk) 03:53, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Grutness... wha?   01:47, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, the creator of this category is the same person who cut-and-paste moved List of dead South Korean musicians into article space. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 04:29, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * So what if I was? What's that got to do with the deletion of this category?-K-popguardian (talk) 17:12, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * It suggests that you don't fully understand Wikipedia processes, to start with - cutting and pasting an entire article removes authorship information, which goes against Wikipedia's policies. It also suggests that you have already had problems with basically the same list, albeit in a different form, as the list was deleted after a PROD as being unencyclopaedic. Grutness... wha?   05:27, 5 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. I don't follow any of the points made by K-popguardian. Oculi (talk) 11:00, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The major problem (several editors brought this up to me) was that I also used non-notable stars such as Ahn Sojin and Go EunB, which mainly contributed to the points everyone here has brought up. This time, I based it on notability, and by doing so, I only found 9 deceased, adding to my point that yes, people die every day, but it's not like everyone in Korea will drop dead in the next 3 secs.-K-popguardian (talk) 16:47, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Exactly.-K-popguardian (talk) 03:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Dr.   K.  16:51, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Alexanderlee (talk) 18:32, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete We do not categorize people as dead. We have the one exception category Category:Living people as a stand in for the year of death category. Well, there are also categories like Category:Year of birth missing (living people) but these are a result of BLP rules on privacy. There is no similar reason to sub-divide every potential occupation+nationality interesection between the living and the dead.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:35, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

K, somehow, I created a draft instead of an article by accident, so if anyone wants to get rid of that please: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:List_of_Dead_South_Korean_Musicians

I know what you're all thinking. No, I didn't intentionally do this. I just wanted to re-create the draft in case somehow the page would work out, so I followed the link of the original draft, but somehow it became a page. My apologies-K-popguardian (talk) 01:06, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * S'alright. We generally assume good faith here :) I've deleted it for you. Grutness... wha?   01:42, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Clarification & Proposal:: : : : : : Okay, so I feel like I never even made clear at all what my goal was with this, which I feel like I should've brought up a few months ago.

My point in making this article was not to list dead musicians as a whole (I realized what you all meant.) I meant to only list musicians who were still active in their career such as Kwon Ri-se, (who was still in Ladies' Code at the time of her death,) or Kim Jong-hyun (no explanation needed.) My proposition is to re-create this article again, possibly under "[[List of Dead South Korean Musicians Active in Music" or something shorter than that. Of course, that means I'm leaving out certain people like Cho Deok-hwan (who retired 3 years before his death,) and Choi Jin-young (who ended his music career 5 years before death to pursue an acting career.)

I feel like it's better this way because like I said, there are only so few Korean musicians in each category, and as you all said, "everyone will eventually die." This works out because not every musician usually dies while they are active. (as you can tell from there only being 8 listed, not counting Jinyoung.)

Does that sound like a better idea?-K-popguardian (talk) 02:11, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Apart from a couple of very specific manners of death (i.e. murder or suicide), there's no encyclopedic value in categories which intersect occupation and nationality with deadness. Bearcat (talk) 17:57, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * : : : : ::Ok, since no one replied, I just did it. List of South Korean musicians who died while active has been created. Is this the better option? Or at least an improvement?-K-popguardian (talk) 23:29, 8 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I still think that list is horribly broad. Do we have List of politicians who died in office? That is a clearer list, since "while active" for musicians is somewhat broad. How long since the last recording or concert is active? For example Aretha Franklin if I remember says she is about to stop doing concerts, but she will still be making studio albums. So is she active or not?John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:02, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I was going for List of American politicians who died in office. A global list would be just too broad, and any list that could include political leaders who served for life would be a bad idea. Thus List of United States federal judges who died while serving on the bench is just a horrible idea, since judges serve for life. While many do retire before death, there are ways to semi-retire, and until the 1930s retiring was less common for federal judges, and a few members of the current US supreme court seem intend on keeping on the bench until death.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:05, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

An active musician would be someone who is still at the height of their music career, or were still producing albums (ex: Jonghyun or RiSe) when they died. If the musician has not made a release for almost 3 years, or declares that they are ending their music career (for acting or whatever reason,) would not be considered an active musician because they have not produced any music in several years, (yes, I know I have Jihoon on there, I plan to remove him.) It's not a common occurence, as shown evident from the gaps in years.-K-popguardian (talk) 18:31, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That would still be problematical - some musicians release albums years after it seems like they've stopped - or even announce they've stopped. John Lennon died shortly after finishing his first album for seven years. He was clearly an "active musician", but if he'd been killed six months earlier, he wouldn't have been. Grutness... wha?   10:27, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


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Years in Christianity (1000 to 1500)

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. While there wasn't much discussion, the proposal and outcome is consistent with other recent discussions that have formed a consensus to largely eliminate these lightly populated intersections of topics by year. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:10, 15 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:1034 in Christianity to Category:1034 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1046 in Christianity to Category:1046 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1048 in Christianity to Category:1048 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1054 in Christianity to Category:1054 in religion and Category:11th-century Christianity
 * Propose merging Category:1055 in Christianity to Category:1055 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1059 in Christianity to Category:1059 in religion


 * Propose merging Category:1072 in Christianity to Category:1072 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1074 in Christianity to Category:1074 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1077 in Christianity to Category:1077 in religion and Category:11th-century Christianity
 * Propose merging Category:1095 in Christianity to Category:1095 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1096 in Christianity to Category:1096 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1111 in Christianity to Category:1111 in religion and Category:12th-century Christianity
 * Propose merging Category:1113 in Christianity to Category:1113 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1118 in Christianity to Category:1118 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1119 in Christianity to Category:1119 in religion and Category:12th-century Christianity
 * Propose merging Category:1128 in Christianity to Category:1128 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1136 in Christianity to Category:1136 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1139 in Christianity to Category:1139 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1144 in Christianity to Category:1144 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1145 in Christianity to Category:1145 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1152 in Christianity to Category:1152 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1155 in Christianity to Category:1155 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1163 in Christianity to Category:1163 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1172 in Christianity to Category:1172 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1173 in Christianity to Category:1173 in religion and Category:12th-century Christianity
 * Propose merging Category:1179 in Christianity to Category:1179 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1184 in Christianity to Category:1184 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1187 in Christianity to Category:1187 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1190 in Christianity to Category:1190 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1192 in Christianity to Category:1192 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1198 in Christianity to Category:1198 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1209 in Christianity to Category:1209 in religion and Category:13th-century Christianity
 * Propose merging Category:1214 in Christianity to Category:1214 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1216 in Christianity to Category:1216 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1217 in Christianity to Category:1217 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1223 in Christianity to Category:1223 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1231 in Christianity to Category:1231 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1234 in Christianity to Category:1234 in religion and Category:13th-century Christianity
 * Propose merging Category:1236 in Christianity to Category:1236 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1251 in Christianity to Category:1251 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1252 in Christianity to Category:1252 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1260 in Christianity to Category:1260 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1263 in Christianity to Category:1263 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1267 in Christianity to Category:1267 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1274 in Christianity to Category:1274 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1275 in Christianity to Category:1275 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1278 in Christianity to Category:1278 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1284 in Christianity to Category:1284 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1296 in Christianity to Category:1296 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1297 in Christianity to Category:1297 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1299 in Christianity to Category:1299 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1301 in Christianity to Category:1301 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1302 in Christianity to Category:1302 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1303 in Christianity to Category:1303 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1307 in Christianity to Category:1307 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1308 in Christianity to Category:1308 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1312 in Christianity to Category:1312 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1313 in Christianity to Category:1313 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1321 in Christianity to Category:1321 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1335 in Christianity to Category:1335 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1336 in Christianity to Category:1336 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1342 in Christianity to Category:1342 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1401 in Christianity to Category:1401 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1409 in Christianity to Category:1409 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1414 in Christianity to Category:1414 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1418 in Christianity to Category:1418 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1424 in Christianity to Category:1424 in religion (articles only)
 * Propose merging Category:1431 in Christianity to Category:1431 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1434 in Christianity to Category:1434 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1435 in Christianity to Category:1435 in religion (articles only)
 * Propose merging Category:1438 in Christianity to Category:1438 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1439 in Christianity to Category:1439 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1442 in Christianity to Category:1442 in religion (articles only)
 * Propose merging Category:1443 in Christianity to Category:1443 in religion (articles only)
 * Propose merging Category:1444 in Christianity to Category:1444 in religion (articles only)
 * Propose merging Category:1445 in Christianity to Category:1445 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1449 in Christianity to Category:1449 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1452 in Christianity to Category:1452 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1460 in Christianity to Category:1460 in religion (articles only)
 * Propose merging Category:1462 in Christianity to Category:1462 in religion (articles only)
 * Propose merging Category:1481 in Christianity to Category:1481 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1484 in Christianity to Category:1484 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1492 in Christianity to Category:1492 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1493 in Christianity to Category:1493 in religion
 * Propose merging Category:1497 in Christianity to Category:1497 in religion (articles only)
 * Propose deleting Category:1092 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1129 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1345 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1363 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1364 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1404 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1417 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1420 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1423 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1430 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1432 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1436 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1437 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1440 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1441 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1455 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1458 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1459 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1461 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1464 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1465 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1466 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1468 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1470 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1474 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1476 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1479 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1480 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1482 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1485 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1487 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1498 in Christianity
 * Propose deleting Category:1499 in Christianity


 * Nominator's rationale: merge/delete per WP:SMALLCAT, most categories contain only one article, or only contain a Churches completed subcat. Note that most categories don't need a second merge target (XXth century in Christianity) because they are already in XXth-century synods, or XXth-century papal bulls, or alike. The bottom half of the nominated categories don't need a first merge target either (YYYY in religion) because the articles in them are already in religious buildings established in YYYY - hence these categories can simply be deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Support although since these upmerges will still leave say Category:1048 in religion a one entry category, I wonder if we need to look at cutting back on the unjustified category by year proliferation even more.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:17, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that will be the next step. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:24, 14 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Michael Dean Shelton

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:14, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting michael dean shelton


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT - only one article about Michael Dean Shelton, and one image of him. Article is a near orphan (1 article link in), so I don't think that there is potential for growth Icarusgeek (talk) 17:54, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - largely per nom, classic case of WP:SMALLCAT. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 19:59, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:36, 8 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Removal companies of the United Kingdom

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. While not fully discussed, I'll create a category redirect as an editorial action. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Removal companies of the United Kingdom to Category:Moving companies of the United Kingdom
 * Nominator's rationale: To make it persistent with Category:Moving companies. Störm   (talk)  16:23, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose - "removal company" is the usual British term. Local usage always trumps category consistency. Grutness... wha?   01:46, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose  - Grutness is right. Oculi (talk) 11:02, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose  - As per Grutness. I had never heard of a 'moving company'. Twiceuponatime (talk) 11:19, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per WP:ENGVAR. --Mhockey (talk) 23:11, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per WP:ENGVAR, but make a Category redirect from Category:Moving companies of the United Kingdom, so that the same format works. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:18, 5 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Italian football club season templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: moot. Cat was deleted as a result of Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_January_2. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:48, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting italian football club season templates


 * Nominator's rationale: Please seeTemplates for discussion/Log/2018 January 2, thanks! Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 11:34, 3 January 2018 (UTC) Withdrew per below, thanks. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 12:59, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 11:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep on procedural grounds, no rationale given. GiantSnowman 20:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - as the category is usefull for keeping all the templates together. If the category is deleted, then the templates will be added to a vaguer category which will make them harder to find. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 19:24, 4 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Companies of the United States disestablished in 2000

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:43, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting companies of the united states disestablished in 2000


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT outside existing scheme. 2001:569:74EF:BD00:E16B:CF5B:FB75:EDF0 (talk) 05:41, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:WikiProject Masculinism

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The nominator 's stated intent is to delete this along with its subcats. However the subcats were not been tagged or listed, so procedurally this should have been closed as "no action". However, all the subcats were unused apart from the template category containing the project banner, so I WP:G6 speedy-deleted the lot, leaving only this Category:WikiProject Masculinism. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:34, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting wikiproject masculinism


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete along with its subcats and banner template. Projects merged some time ago; WP:WikiProject Masculinism redirects to WP:WikiProject Men's Issues. There's nothing in this category to merge, as it's all been superseded by the stuff of the newer project.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  02:38, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


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 * Thank you. I'm glad my faith was well placed that the WP:BUREAUCRACY level here has decreased a bit and that I wouldn't be forced to spend 20 minutes pointlessly tagging the empty subcats and opening a TfD guaranteed to close with the same result. Kind of a test case of sorts.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  09:46, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. But sadly, one person's admin-who-doesn't-behave-like-a-pedantic-bureaucrat is another person's rogue admin ... so I rarely step outside the box. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:08, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Just need your template and you're all good.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  16:25, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * that and the asbestos underwear. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:28, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Category:Fictional characters with antisocial personality disorder

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete as WP:OR. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:37, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting fictional characters with antisocial personality disorder


 * Nominator's rationale: Pure original research Beeblebrox (talk) 01:04, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: We have Category:People with antisocial personality disorder for real people; it may violate WP:BLP if unsourced. No opinion here or the similar category below. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 14:15, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm certain there are rules on here that if name a televised canonical episode of the show where the fictional character shows their antisocial personalities (though with most of them, you can use a whole season) that counts as citation there for not original research.--TBBC (talk) 15:28, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That doesn’t seem to be how this is being used, rather, one (now blocked) user has been deciding for themselves, without using sources, and edit warring to include this and other similar categories for some time now. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:33, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Comment Well some of those listed (well formerly listed) actually have had just that.--TBBC (talk) 02:20, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete An episode needs to show an explicit diagnosis or at the very least some in episode statement by another character of that that character has a psychological disorder, not a viewers opinion of a non-trained professional (a.k.a. WP:OR) that shown behavior meets that criteria and classify the article that way based on an editors opinion. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:18, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Also Category:Fictional characters with antisocial personality disorders as basically the same thing and nominated category was created by one editor recategorizing from the plural category to the singular. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:41, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - this category has been blanked since it has been nominated for deletion. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 20:10, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment None of the articles I checked and for which I removed the category indicated a psychological disorder of any sort being claimed. A personality trait is not necessarily a disorder, it is just a personality trait and nothing more. Geraldo Perez (talk) 09:32, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters with narcissistic personality disorder

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete as WP:OR. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:38, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting fictional characters with narcissistic personality disorder


 * Nominator's rationale: Pure original research. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Comment Well some of those listed (well formerly listed) actually have had just that.--TBBC (talk) 02:20, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * We have Category:People with narcissistic personality disorder, the corresponding category for real people. That, of course, may violate WP:BLP if unsourced. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 04:33, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm certain there are rules on here that if name a televised canonical episode of the show where the fictional character shows their arrogant personalities (though with most of them, you can use a whole season) that counts as citation there for not original research.--TBBC (talk) 15:27, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete An episode needs to show an explicit diagnosis or at the very least some in episode statement by another character of that that character has a psychological disorder, not a viewers opinion of a non-trained professional (a.k.a. WP:OR) that shown behavior meets that criteria and classify the article that way based on an editors opinion. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:18, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - this category has been blanked since it has been nominated for deletion. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 20:10, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment None of the articles I checked and for which I removed the category indicated a psychological disorder of any sort being claimed. A personality trait is not necessarily a disorder, it is just a personality trait and nothing more. Geraldo Perez (talk) 09:32, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


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