Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 July 16



Ancient Greece

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 09:50, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Category:Festivals in Ancient Greece to Category:Festivals in ancient Greece
 * Category:Comics set in Ancient Greece to Category:Comics set in ancient Greece
 * Category:Military history of Ancient Greece to Category:Military history of ancient Greece
 * Category:Museums of Ancient Greece to Category:Museums of ancient Greece
 * Category:Populated places in Ancient Greece to Category:Populated places in ancient Greece
 * Category:Transport in Ancient Greece to Category:Transport in ancient Greece

Lowercase all category names. See discussion at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 July 5, in which it was concluded that the lowercase was appropriate in this kind of situation. Thanks to a query from a database dump, I believe that these are all the "Ancient Greece" categories with capital "Ancient", aside from those in which "Ancient" appears only initially. Nyttend (talk) 22:41, 16 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Support. Simple move, no reason for "ancient" to be capitalized if we're not using title case, which—this being Wikipedia—we're not.  P Aculeius (talk) 12:35, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- Ancient Greece refers to much more than Greece, as it includes its colonies in Sicily, Libya, Asia Minor and elsewhere. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:25, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Support Sicily was in the Greek sphere of influence; one hesitates to call it an empire. Perhaps a new parent category is needed to cover both Greece proper and the wider Greek colonies. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:29, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: this discussion isn't about what topics should be included under the heading of "ancient Greece". It's solely about whether "ancient" should be capitalized in category names.  The word "ancient" isn't part of a proper name when applied to Greece, any more than it is with Rome, Anatolia, or Switzerland.  This contrasts with the use of "ancient" as a modifier with some languages, where different stages in the development of a language are often treated as proper names, i.e. "Old English", "Middle High German", etc.  But in the phrase, "ancient Greece", it's merely descriptive (and rather vague, since scholarly literature generally divides ancient Greece into numerous topics by both geographical extent and time period).  If Wikipedia used title case for article and category names, then it would be fine to capitalize "ancient".  But current Wikipedia policy does not use title case, so "ancient" probably should not be capitalized in these category names.  P Aculeius (talk) 02:52, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Canadian given names

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 20:56, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting canadian given names


 * Nominator's rationale: As with Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_February_6 a few years back, the problem here is that few to none of these names are uniquely Canadian ones. A couple of them, I'll grant, have at least one owner who looms large in Canadian culture or history -- Gord Downie, Nelly Furtado, Mackenzie King, Sheila Copps -- but every name here can also be found in either the entire rest of the English-speaking world, or the entire rest of the French-speaking world, or sometimes even (Nelly) just pandemically anywhere. So none of them are defined by being found in Canada -- even the ones where Canada does get singled out for mention in the introduction, like Gord and Lorne, still aren't uniquely Canadian. Normally, categories like this are created for ethnicities, not nationalities, because ethnicities have a much stronger correlation with naming conventions than countries do (especially immigration-heavy multicultural countries like Canada or the United States, where literally any name from any part of the world might show up on somebody.) Bearcat (talk) 21:04, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Update: Just so y'all don't get confused by the lack of a "Gord" page here after I talked about one in the nomination statement, I just wanted to clarify that I've since redirected the "Gord" page as not really needing a separate article from the given name list that already exists for "Gordon". By definition, any Gord is also a Gordon, because it's just a short-form nickname for a guy named Gordon and rarely if ever directly given as a non-Gordon given name in its own right, so it really doesn't need its own standalone page as a separate list from the Gordons. Bearcat (talk) 19:23, 17 July 2018 (UTC)


 * delete per nom. Looking at the membership the situation is exactly like the American case. Mangoe (talk) 15:30, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete given names by language is probably defining, but by nationality - particularly a multiethnic, multilingual one as Canada - not so much. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:33, 18 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Christianity of the Middle Ages

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 8. ℯ xplicit  00:15, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Christianity of the Middle Ages to Category:To be decided
 * Nominator's rationale: Option A: "Christianity in the Middle Ages" was proposed as a speedy nomination, but without a valid rationale. It would match the parent and only a few others. Option B: "Medieval Christianity" would match the preceding  &, siblings  & , and most national categories within Category:Middle Ages. Option C: "Medieval history of Christianity" would match the succeeding  and , and a couple of regional categories within Category:Middle Ages. Option D, keep at current name, matching sub-cat . Option E would follow the main article History of Christianity during the Middle Ages. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:20, 16 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Note: There is a closely related sub-cat, but that has additional issues re "Catholic Church" and can be discussed separately after this one is closed. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:01, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment our main article on the period is at Middle Ages not Medieval Period, not that such a choice binds us, but may be of instruction. I don't like "Medieval Religion" formulations as it seems to have a connotation that the religion of that period differs from that religion of today - rather than just groups articles having to do with that religion during that period. Of course, some religious practices have changed, but some would argue the religion, per se, has not. Maybe I'm reading too much into the wording? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:47, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak support for option E, for consistency with the article name. But I wouldn't really oppose any of the five options. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:35, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak support for options B or D, oppose C and E. Johnbod (talk) 15:06, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Because? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:COMMONNAME, and they aren't really "history of" categories. Johnbod (talk) 07:47, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Admittedly "history of" is redundant in combination with Middle Ages. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:42, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Hong Kong Association for Democracy and People's Livelihood

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 8. ℯ xplicit  00:15, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting hong kong association for democracy and people's livelihood


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, it only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge sub-category into Category:Hong Kong Association for Democracy and People's Livelihood --Danski454 (talk) 09:57, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Why? The subcategory fits perfectly well in Category:Hong Kong politicians by party. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:36, 17 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:World Economic Forum

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 09:50, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting world economic forum


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, it contains the eponymous article, one other article and a subcat. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:16, 16 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Note: the sub-cat has also been nominated, see Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_July_15. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:22, 16 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Japanese Economic Association

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. I will manually add the main article to Category:Economics societies. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:54, 1 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting japanese economic association


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:08, 16 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Upmerge -- We so not allow categories for "members of …" or such like so that there is not scope of expansion. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:28, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


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