Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 July 20



Category:Pakistani wine

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, without prejudice to recreating when there is appropriate content to categorize. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:07, 1 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting pakistani wine


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one article, which is not about Pakistani wine. Its wine made in Manchester by a British Pakistani. Rathfelder (talk) 20:52, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Categories not only help with navigation, they help with ensuring comprehensibility.  The emptiness of this category reveals omission by bias.  Pakistan has wines, Kalash wine for example, I am sure there are more missing articles.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:57, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete unless there are some articles that belong in it. Currently it contains just Balti wine which via this category is thus in Category:Agriculture in Pakistan etc. DexDor(talk) 11:26, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete for Now As an effectively empty category. No objection to recreating if we get some articles more closely related to the topic.RevelationDirect (talk) 17:12, 29 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Winter topic navigation pages

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 19:03, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting winter topic navigation pages


 * Nominator's rationale: Dab pages don't have a topic and shouldn't be in article categories (as readers should not be trying to find them).  We also usually avoid placing category tags directly on dab pages.  That dab pages are of interest to a wikiproject can be covered by talk page categorization - e.g. Category:Disambig-Class meteorology articles.  Example previous similar discussion: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_July_9 DexDor(talk) 16:38, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:06, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Eden's Crush members

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 19:04, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting eden's crush members


 * Nominator's rationale: Per the parent category, Category:Musicians by band, band members "categories should not be created when only one member has an article." Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 14:41, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as creator. This seems to have gotten through the "one member" rule. It should go.--Mike Selinker (talk) 14:51, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Mumzy Stranger

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 19:05, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mumzy stranger


 * Nominator's rationale: With all related articles in appropriate subject categories (albums and songs), this eponymous parent category is unnecessary per WP:OCEPON. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 14:38, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:2020 AFC U-23 Championship

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 9. ℯ xplicit  00:56, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 2020 afc u-23 championship


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one item Hhkohh (talk) 13:30, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge with a category on the championship series or with Asian Football Confederation. The creation of the article is perhaps not premature, but that of the category certainly is.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:06, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - I added a second article and eventually there will be more. I've no big objection to merging to Category:AFC U-23 Championship as the category truly is premature, but I also see little harm in retaining it for the next 1.5 years. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:05, 1 August 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Artsakhian building and structure stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Symbol move vote.svg Relisted at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 1. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:58, 1 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting artsakhian building and structure stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Too small. Propose deleting category, and merging templates to . Even with these additions, the parent category will still be underpopulated. Dawynn (talk) 12:23, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People associated with Malcolm X

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 09:35, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people associated with malcolm x


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCASSOC -- wooden superman  09:08, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep (I created this category.) I know that categories such as this one are strongly discouraged, but I think the inclusion criteria are clear ("people whose fame or notability is directly related to their association with Malcolm X"). Every one of the people in the category is notable or became famous because of her or his association with Malcolm X. Louis Farrakhan, to whom Malcolm X was a mentor, doesn't belong in the category because his relationship with Malcolm X isn't what makes him notable or famous. Likewise, Ossie Davis, who delivered one of the most memorable eulogies in modern times at Malcolm X's funeral, doesn't belong in the category because his relationship with Malcolm X isn't what made him famous. But when photographer Don Hogan Charles died, every obituary mentioned his iconic photo of Malcolm X. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 11:49, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * George Breitman? Alex Haley?  This exactly why these categories are so problematic.  -- wooden  superman  14:16, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Breitman is probably a stretch, but I believe Haley was a freelance writer who did interviews for Reader's Digest and Playboy before ghost-writing Malcolm X's autobiography brought him national attention. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 20:35, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The Don Hogan Charles article begins Don Hogan Charles (September 9, 1938 – December 15, 2017) was an American photographer. so is well-categorized (grouped with similar articles by) by Category:20th-century American photographers. See also WP:DNWAUC. DexDor(talk) 11:37, 21 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete, the category contains a hodgepodge of people who have nothing in common with each other. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. We already have a page containing (amongst other things) links to articles about people associated with Malcolm X. DexDor(talk) 11:29, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't know you created List of people associated with Malcolm X. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 15:34, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. I had a neighbour who had a Malcom X poster. Wow, does this make us people associated with Malcom X? Place Clichy (talk) 16:31, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, if you and your neighbor were notable, and your fame or notability was directly related to your association with Malcolm X. Any more stupid questions? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:53, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete "associated with" and "related to" and "about" are poor characteristics upon which to categorize and they are inherently subjective and provide minimal use for anyone. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:07, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:2nd millennium in the Austrian Empire

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 09:35, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 2nd millennium in the austrian empire


 * Propose deleting Category:19th century in the Austrian Empire
 * Propose deleting Category:19th-century establishments in the Austrian Empire
 * Propose deleting Category:19th-century disestablishments in the Austrian Empire
 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT, the Austrian Empire existed only within the 19th century so a split by millennium or century will never contain more than one subcat and the content of these categories can only coincide with the main Category:Austrian Empire. Or, in case of establishments: Category:19th-century establishments in the Austrian Empire must wholly coincide with the content of Category:19th-century establishments in the Austrian Empire and similarly for disestablishments. There is no need to merge: the content of these categories is already in Category:Decades in the Austrian Empire etc while Category:Austrian Empire itself is already parented to Category:19th century in Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete -- The empire only existed in 19th and 20th centuries, so that there is no need to parent centuries in this way. How do we get the wholesale demolition of all millennium categories?  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:19, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Can we have a wider discussion somewhere about millenium categories? Rathfelder (talk) 19:17, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Feel free to comment here. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:46, 20 July 2018 (UTC)


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