Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 July 30



Category:Cima Coppi

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 09:19, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cima coppi


 * Nominator's rationale: This is a non-defining characteristic of, for example, Sella Pass or Grossglockner. DexDor(talk) 22:18, 30 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Per WP:PERFCAT. Where a movable annual cycling event occurs each year isn't defining; fine for a list though. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:12, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:PERFCAT and non-defining. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:11, 1 August 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Watch Dogs (series)

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting watch dogs (series)


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Category can only contain a maximum of 2 possible pages currently. The1337gamer (talk) 20:49, 30 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Procedural Comment It would be helpful to repopulate the category so we can evaluate it here. RevelationDirect (talk)
 * Procedural Oppose I think too much time has passed for this nomination to receive enough input. Please repopulate and renominate. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:48, 6 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete There are only two entries that could ever fill this category - Watch Dogs and Watch Dogs 2. There is no plans on a third, so it would be WP:TOOSOON to have a category for them  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:41, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 07:54, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Souvenir Henri Desgrange

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 09:20, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting souvenir henri desgrange


 * Nominator's rationale: This is a non-defining characteristic of, for example, Great St Bernard Pass and all the other articles that make no mention of Henri. See also discussions such as -this. DexDor(talk) 19:25, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Well, they should? I created it as there was an equivalent for the Giro d'Italia, Category:Cima Coppi, created by. BaldBoris 22:04, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That's now at CFD above. Have you read any of the guidance pages about wikipedia categorization? DexDor(talk) 22:20, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * OK. Yes I have, but clearly nowhere near as much as you. BaldBoris 22:38, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:PERFCAT. Having a list is fine but the route of a cycling race isn't defining to the route unless it's purpose built, like a velodrome. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:14, 31 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete -- As far as I can tell this is an awards category, which we do not allow. The difference is that it is venues where the award has been won, but we do not allow venue categories either.  This is a list of passes climbed in cycling events.  If kept, if should be renamed Category:Passes where Souvenir Henri Desgrange has been won or something to that effect.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:52, 4 August 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Songs written by Ant Whiting

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 22. ℯ xplicit  01:29, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting songs written by ant whiting


 * Propose deleting albums produced by ant whiting


 * Propose deleting song recordings produced by ant whiting


 * Nominator's rationale: these three categories are unnecessary - songs written by Ant Whiting, albums produced by Ant Whiting, Song recordings produced by Ant Whiting. this artist is not very notable. does not warrant three categories! does not warrant a single one. one category only has 6 entries, four of which are rizzle kick songs. COI editors have aggressively permeated this artist's name throughout the project as far and wide as possible. time to reign it in. as an example, he has often only contributed to one song as part of a team and it has been added to his album credits (Albums produced by Ant Whiting). these categories were made as part of a vanity exercise and really aren't warranted. I propose all 3 are deleted and am listing them all Rayman60 (talk) 19:22, 30 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Note: These categories were originally nominated separately with the same rationale. I consolidated the three nominations into a single nomination for ease of discussion. -- Black Falcon (talk) 23:10, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No valid rationale supplied for deletion. 'I don't like the editors' work' and 'editors shouldn't work on one particular person' are not valid reasons. Each of the categories are part of established category schemes and I can see no valid reason to delete. If the nominator can find one, I'm happy to reconsider my opinion & !vote. --Richhoncho (talk) 08:35, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Ant Whiting seems a perfectly valid article, and the categories could be OK. However I agree with the nom that Don't Know Why (SoundGirl song) should not be categorised under any of the 7 song-writers mentioned and the production by AW is not supported by the article. I didn't find any articles for which the contribution of AW is defining. Oculi (talk) 08:42, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * . Interesting delete there.
 * Firstly the songwriters, the number of songwriters relate to the sampling in the song, not the amount of contribution a particular songwriter made. Whiting could have contributed (and owned) 90% of the credits and WP will never know, or maybe we should now delete the McCartney/Lennon cat because they didn't contribute equally to every song?
 * 'Albums produced by' is a mess, because a producer does one track on an album and finishes up in this cat, but that is not something to be debated here.
 * 'Songs produced by' is a reasonable category scheme and I still see no evidence supporting delete.
 * NB I will check every article and if I do see any that should not be in one of the categories, I will remove, as any editor is entitled to do.
 * --Richhoncho (talk) 09:06, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That is why the category is Category:Songs written by Lennon–McCartney. Dreamers (Rizzle Kicks song) does appear to be a perfectly valid member of Category:Song recordings produced by Ant Whiting. I would also concede that there are probably 1000s of Category:Songs written by XXX where XXX is one of very many listed contributors. Oculi (talk) 09:37, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oculi. I have been through the cats and removed one entry, so now we are at the point that in one post you say delete and a second you concede there are other cats with the same 'problems' that you see. Again, I repeat, there is no policy to delete these cats.--Richhoncho (talk) 08:54, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * There is a completely fundamental policy to delete some of these, namely WP:Defining. Whereas any Lennon-McCartney song will include the writers in any competent 20-word summary, the 7 or 8 writers of Don't Know Why (SoundGirl song) will be mentioned as an aside if at all (eg in the infobox, unsourced, and not in the article at all). This applies to many other categories of form Category:Songs written by XXX which should never have been created in the first place and which should all be deleted or severely pruned. Oculi (talk) 09:40, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Oculi. Songwriters are a defining part of a song. You are now trying to limit by number of songwriters, for which there is no policy, or, as far as I am aware, nor any similar restriction regarding cats. --Richhoncho (talk) 11:09, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Clearly we disagree on this matter. If the songwriters are so important, why are they not sourced and mentioned prominently in the article? By way of contrast see eg Paperback Writer, Blowing in the wind, Wild Horses (The Rolling Stones song), Candle in the Wind where the relevant composer categories are clearly and properly established. Oculi (talk) 14:04, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The not mentioned argument is the same as unreferenced argument, doesn't make the subject less notable. If sources do list 2 or 200 songwriters, it is not WP's job to arbitrarily decide that only a specific number are applicable. That is your argument and there is no WP guidance to support you, every other source disagrees with you. It is not our to opine on how others do something. It is or it isn't, it's as simple as that. --Richhoncho (talk) 09:49, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Islamabad constituency stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: retag and delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:54, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting islamabad constituency stubs


 * Nominator's rationale: Only three total articles in permanent category. Propose deleting stub category, and redirecting template to Pakistan-constituency-stub. Dawynn (talk) 15:38, 30 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Retag the articles with Pakistan-constituency-stub and Islamabad-stub, and then delete both the category and template. Per Constituencies of Pakistan, Islamabad has only 3 constituencies, so a template redirect offers no value. -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:38, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Retag and delete per Black Falcon. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Humane Societies by country

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 22. ℯ xplicit  01:29, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Humane Societies by country to Category:Humane societies by country
 * Nominator's rationale: "Category:Humane Societies by country" to "Category:Humane societies by country". The word "Societies" should not be capitalized the same as the main article Humane society. IQ125 (talk) 11:33, 30 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Humane societies. I originally moved and closed this as uncontroversial; however, it seems premature to have a by country category when there is not even a top-level Category:Humane societies. -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:34, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge with Category:Animal charities, I cannot discern a difference between these concepts. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:33, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I can think of two differences, though I'm not sure if they are worth separate categories: (1) humane societies can be human-focused and not animal-focused (e.g. Royal Humane Society); and (2) humane societies generally focus narrowly on mitigating cruelty and saving lives, whereas animal charities can have wider goals such as conservation of species. -- Black Falcon (talk) 14:48, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Black Falcon moved the page already, without closing this discussion. I agree with Carlossuarez on merging, but that would apply to the two subcategories in particular. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I closed it (as WP:CSD) and reopened it after seeing there was no top-level Category:Humane societies. I am not averse to closing this discussion and having a new one for merging if you think that's cleaner. -- Black Falcon (talk) 14:48, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it's cleaner to start a fresh discussion that includes the Canadian and US subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:13, 1 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge with Category:Animal charities and subcats with Category:Animal charities based in the United States and siblings. Leave cat-redirect, as it is a plausible search term.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:00, 4 August 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People named Andrew Cohen

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete (G7: author requested deletion). -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:12, 30 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting people named andrew cohen


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEPON and WP:EPCATPERS. These people just happen to share the same name, and is overcategorization and a bad precdent to set.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:41, 30 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - a flagrant breach of WP:SHAREDNAME. The correct way is to link each to the dab page Andrew Cohen (now done). Oculi (talk) 10:30, 30 July 2018 (UTC)t
 * This category seems to have been created to support a page move: thus. Most ingenious. Oculi (talk) 11:08, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I have nominated the categories for speedy deletion. Sorry for my ignorance of categorization guideline. It turns out I didn't even need to create this category to use the Massviews tool. It had an option that accepted wikilinks from the dab page.---  Coffee  and crumbs  13:50, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm pleased that there is an alternative way of using the very useful Massviews tool: thus. Oculi (talk) 15:09, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for tagging it Coffee. This can be closed now.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 16:16, 30 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians who use the word dear

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 09:56, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who use the word dear


 * Nominator's rationale: This user category groups users on the basis of a trivial characteristic that is unrelated to "facilitating [encyclopedic] coordination and collaboration". While there is broad flexibility about what one can include on one's user page, a user category (a separate page from the user page) should not be created merely to serve as a bottom-of-the-page substitute for user page content. (I am pinging User:Zafar24 as the category's creator and sole member.) -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:57, 30 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Per nom. Oh dear.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 07:17, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - this would be quite a few of us. Oculi (talk) 10:57, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - all the above, and it plainly hasn't caught on, either. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:43, 30 July 2018 (UTC)


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