Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 July 6



Category:Historic silver works

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting historic silver works


 * Nominator's rationale: This is a category that doesn't seem to serve a purpose, or even know its purpose. If it is intended for work made of silver we already have Category:Silversmithing and Category:Silver objects. If it is intended for companies or sites that produce silver (suggested by its parent categories) there is only one article in the category that fits the bill in any way, which is a mine therefore should be in Category:Silver mining. The articles in the category are already in other suitable silver-related categories. Sionk (talk) 22:13, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Distinction between historic organisations and, presumably, non-historic, does not work. Rathfelder (talk) 09:54, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete All are in other silver cats, where many of the contents are just as "historic". Johnbod (talk) 21:07, 10 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Historical people of Izmir

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:People from Smyrna. Timrollpickering 00:52, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Historical people of Izmir to Category:Smyrnaeans
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content of the category, this is about people from Smyrna. Besides we hardly have any other "Historical people" categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:03, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom These are all people from Smyrna. Dimadick (talk) 12:07, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Support or better rename Category:People from Smyrna, as I am not sure that the proposed target is a correct demonym. The fact that this is for historical people of the Greek city, not those of the present Turkish Izmir can be explained in a headnote.  The Greek population of Asia Minor was exchanged with the Muslim population of Greece in the 1920s.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:28, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree, Category:People from Smyrna is better. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Historical people of Istanbul

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 00:51, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Historical people of Istanbul to Category:People from Istanbul
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge, a container category with only two subcategories is not helpful for easy navigation. Besides we hardly have any other "Historical people" categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom Unclear distinction. Dimadick (talk) 12:08, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge we don't split "people from" categories into dead vs. alive. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:14, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Support -- The effect is that who subcats will become subcats of Istanbul ones. This is not a living/dead split, but one related to the successive names of the city.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:31, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Square roots

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting square roots


 * Nominator's rationale: All (real and complex) numbers are square roots of other numbers, thus all articles on numbers belong in this category, making this category completely redundant. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 20:37, 6 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment - the category is for numbers notable for being square roots. 2 is indeed the square root of 4 but an article on 2 is unlikely to highlight this fact. An article on the imaginary number i which didn't mention (-1)^(1/2) would be seriously defective. Oculi (talk) 20:45, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Further comment. It was there when I looked a minute ago but has now become Category:Square roots of integers. Oculi (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment/Question: What about Category:Square root? The title would indicate the category is a list of articles related to a topic, rather than a list of square roots. Hyacinth (talk) 21:21, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment, the category has been deleted, but has now been restored with no articles in it. If I remember correctly it originally contained Square root of 2, Square root of 3 and Square root of 5. See also Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_July_7, this discussion started after Category:Square roots had temporarily been deleted and replaced by Category:Square roots of integers. This is quite messy. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:46, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: See: List of square roots and Square root. Hyacinth (talk) 01:31, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment presumably the mathematical concept is sufficiently notable but the category should only contain articles on that concept, not individual numbers - all of which are square roots of something. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:16, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * There is a list at and also at Square root. They both list three potential members of this category (Square root of 2, 3, and 5), while the former lists four more potential members of this category (Imaginary number, Imaginary unit, Square root of a matrix, and Square root of a 2 by 2 matrix), which only brings us to ≤7 members. Perhaps a navigational template or a square root infobox would be more appropriate. Hyacinth (talk) 09:52, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Copper mining in Africa
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Category:Sexuality and computers

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 July 24. ℯ xplicit  05:21, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sexuality and computers to Category:Sexuality and technology
 * Nominator's rationale: Over-specific category; broadening the definition of this category a bit will make it much more useful. Techology and sexuality is a much wider topic than just computers and sexuality, going back to before the invention of computers. Consider, for example, call girls, made possible by the telephone, or the vibrator and electrosex, which both pre-date the invention of the computer. "Computers" is much too specific; more or less any modern technology involves computers, but is not necessarily a "computer technology". For example, the Internet is primarily a communications technology, even though it is implemented using computers, in much the same way that newspapers are primarily a communications technology, not a wood or pigment technology, although they are implemented using both. The same goes for telephony, cars, navigation, and so on: all now use computers, but are not "computer technologies". -- The Anome (talk) 11:53, 6 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Nearly everything here is online stuff, so both computers and technology are slightly beside the point. Alt rename to Category:Sexuality and internet. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:26, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Ancient Spartan women athletes

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ancient spartan women athletes


 * Nominator's rationale: typical WP:SMALLCAT; delete and upmerge Constantine  ✍  11:30, 6 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People associated with the Bengal Renaissance

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 July 24. ℯ xplicit  05:21, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people associated with the bengal renaissance


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF and WP:OCASSOC, hardly any of the articles in this category even mentions "Bengal Renaissance". Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 6 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep, probably trim. It would be ridiculous to just delete this, but with 130 members, it might be too large. The Bengal Renaissance navbox thing has about 50 names. Several of these mention eg the Young Bengal group, which it is legitimate to count as part of the Bengal Renaissance. Johnbod (talk) 21:10, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I can see room for a new Category:Young Bengal leaders. But as far as the 50 articles in the navbox concerned, most of these articles do not mention "Bengal Renaissance" except in the navbox. That does not make it defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


 * TRim to Category:Derozians, that is those involved in the Young Bengal movement. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:37, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note that Derozian redirects to Young Bengal. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This makes no sense - the two things are different, which is why they have two articles. So why restrict the category to those from the smaller part? And the Indian and Bangladesh projects should be informed, rather than just Europeans with no knowledge of the area meddling in it! Another area of the BR was Brahmoism (but not plain Brahmo), and its later splinter groups, which many articles mention. You can be sure not every bio in the "Italian Renaissance" tree includes those words.  Johnbod (talk) 21:53, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Very few people in this category are defined as a Brahmoist. Some are of a Brahmoist family but that does not count as a defining characteristic if they were not active in Brahmoism themself. The Indian and Bangladesh projects are informed by the project tags on the category talk page. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:34, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That's always a highly dubious argument - WikiProject Bangladesh/Article alerts averages less than 1 view a day. Johnbod (talk) 19:45, 19 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People associated with the Australian Labor Party

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 July 24. ℯ xplicit  05:21, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people associated with the australian labor party


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCASSOC, as the header of the category page already indicates this is a hodgepodge category. The existence of Category:Australian Labor Party politicians‎ should be sufficient. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 6 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete merely being "associated" with something is almost always non-defining. If the party has members as the Communist Party of the Soviet Union did, then perhaps membership is defining, but it's not clear that this is what is being categorized here. Being associated with a political party, such as saying you support it or campaign for it or such is much like being associated with a sports team by supporting it or watching/attending its games. Not meaningful. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:19, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Either they are politicians (including party officials) or they are not worth categorising. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:39, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Reorganise somehow This seems to be a catch-all for ALP people not easily categorised elsewhere, mostly people notable in other fields who were unsuccessful candidates for the party, various party officials & staffers, a handful of intellectuals who may have fought the column war for the party plus a few councillors and some people whose article says nothing about Labor connections. Candidates and party officials have never been terribly satisfactorily categorised - maybe we should clearly merge them to Category:Australian Labor Party politicians‎ as a firm precedent? Timrollpickering 08:42, 21 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People associated with the anti-austerity movement

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 July 24. <b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b> xplicit  05:21, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people associated with the anti-austerity movement


 * Nominator's rationale: delete, these are people associated with an anti-austerity movement in different countries, they do not have a relationship with each other. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 6 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment, maybe it just needs renaming to Category:People associated with anti-austerity movements. Sionk (talk) 13:19, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That would not solve the problem that the articles of this category are very unrelated to each other. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:09, 7 July 2018 (UTC)


 * rename and prune to Category:Anti-austerity activists. One person certainly fitted this.  Another was an economist, who was probably not an "activist".  I note this has a lot of redirects in it.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:43, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People associated with Anonymous
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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 July 24. <b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b> xplicit  05:21, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People associated with Anonymous to Category:Anonymous (group) activists
 * Nominator's rationale: rename and purge per WP:OCASSOC, this is currently a hodgepodge category of people associated with Anonymous in very different ways. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 6 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Support. That's how we have not .  w umbolo   ^^^  15:51, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OCASSOC and similar to my comments to the Labor Party above. "Activists" are hardly better. Look at our article "activism" which defines it as: "efforts to promote, impede, or direct social, political, economic, or environmental reform or stasis with the desire to make improvements in society. Forms of activism range from writing letters to newspapers or to politicians, political campaigning, economic activism such as boycotts or preferentially patronizing businesses, rallies, street marches, strikes, sit-ins, and hunger strikes." So anyone who writes to a newspaper or politician or campaigns could be an "activist". Malarkey. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:22, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Song articles with TOCcolors-class lyrics section
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 08:43, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting song articles with toccolors-class lyrics section


 * Nominator's rationale: Created and populated by a suspected sockpuppet, not a category of song articles by quality as stated, but rather mostly trivial. The user has been brought up at ANI and is currently the subject of an SPI. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:35, 6 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete – Regardless of the editor's background and behaviour, this category doesn't serve any useful purpose. This was demonstrated when it was created uncategorised, and then placed, inappropriately, in Category:Song articles by quality. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:37, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * On second thoughts, the category provides a useful list of all articles where an abominable colour scheme, which has nothing to with "toccolours", is used. So maybe it should be kept until the underlying problem has been removed and the category is empty. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:06, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 *  Delete after emptying:  most articles do look pretty abominable at present, but cleaning up won't be as easy as rolling back a single user's edits, as could be done at La Marseillaise; Indonesia Raya's abominableness goes back to a different editor in Oct 2015, and San Marino's Inno Nazionale della Repubblica actually looks fine to me. Sparafucil (talk) 03:17, 6 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as uninformative/trivial as a cat. While I can understand the temptation to 'keep it until the underlying problem has been removed', this would only add to the backlog of clean-ups. Editors are welcome to clean up class at any point, and WP:ILIKEIT isn't an argument for using visually distracting use of styles in the first instance. There are some horrible examples flouting WP:DTT, and the idea is that we WP:FIXIT as we find it. Let's not keep categories in order to identify unruly usage of article formatting. Badly presented articles are going to happen/already exist without such monitoring systems and wish lists. Clean the article up as you encounter it. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 19:26, 6 July 2018 (UTC)


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