Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 June 13



Category:Film directors from Glendale, California

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:06, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Film directors from Glendale, California to Category:Film directors from California
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 2 articles in the cat and I don't really that there's enough room for growth. JDDJS (talk) 20:27, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 07:19, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep if we can find some more. I was the one who created the category. I think if I can find another 3 directors then the category should be kept. If not, I'll probably go along with merge proposal. Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 08:19, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. As a rule, film directors are not defined by where they were born or raised as kids, but by where they do the work of directing films as adults. So "film directors from city" should only exist for major cities which can actually claim to be some type of filmmaking centre in their own right (e.g. New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Toronto, London, etc.), and not for every place with no film industry to speak of that has merely had two or more film directors grow up in it before moving to actually work as film directors in the big city. And since the substantive point of distinction in this tree is "works in this city's film industry" rather than "grew up inside this city's physical city limits", both people here could reasonably also be transferred to instead (Glendale being a suburb of Los Angeles anyway.) Bearcat (talk) 15:17, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. The parent category contains about 600 articles, and does not seem to need further subdividing.Dimadick (talk) 13:49, 16 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Teen songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 11:23, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Teen songs to Category:Songs about teenagers
 * Nominator's rationale: "Teen songs" makes it sound as if these are songs for teens, along the lines of Category:Children's songs or Category:Teen pop albums. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 15:34, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:08, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment. Whilst I have no objection to the category being renamed, I wonder whether the whole category tree Songs about XXX isn't weak naming and causing problems with the drive-by adding to cats on the strength of a word occurring in the title. Noting that there is no real harmonisation of titling, perhaps something along the lines of Teen-themed songs and similar might be beneficial? --Richhoncho (talk) 09:41, 5 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:General Secretaries of British trade unions

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 13:13, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:General Secretaries of British trade unions to Category:General secretaries of British trade unions
 * Nominator's rationale: A speedy rename was opposed on the spurious grounds that the current title was consistent with other categories in Category:General secretaries. However, what the opposers do not seem to have understood is that this is a generic container category, whereas the other categories refer to specific posts. Specific titles may be capitalised; generic titles are not. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:23, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose -- This is a container-cat for persons holding the office of "General Secretary" (which is correctly capitalised). Peterkingiron (talk) 17:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * So, presumably you think that Category:General secretaries should also be renamed for this reason? And Category:Prime ministers? And Category:Chief justices? And countless others? Unless the specific title of a specific post is included, these are generic and should be in lower case. See the first sentence of Naming conventions (capitalization). "General secretary" is not a proper name; "General Secretary of the Trades Union Congress" is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:02, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Support, e.g. "General Secretary of the Amalgamated Association of Card and Blowing Room Operatives" is a proper title, but "general secretary" is not. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Support renaming per nom and Marcocapelle. Generic term. Place Clichy (talk) 09:47, 23 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Traditional clothing

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:13, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Traditional clothing to Category:National costume
 * Nominator's rationale: Vague category with out own article. Contents seem to apply just as much if not more in Category:National costume (which in turn could be rename to folk costumes, but that is another discussion). Article Folk costume, the main article of Category:National costume, lists one of its synonyms "traditional garment", which indicates that Category:Traditional clothing embodies more of a synonym of Category:National costume. Chicbyaccident (talk) 10:58, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge the other way, or to "folk costumes". The number of countries that actually have an official "National costume" is rather small. Johnbod (talk) 22:42, 15 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:La songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting la songs


 * Nominator's rationale: This is not, as it might seem at first, a category for songs by a band called La (or even The La's) -- it is a category for, and I'm quoting the usage note verbatim here, "Songs that go 'La La La'." As always, however, Wikipedia is not The Book of Lists, and our category system is not a free "make lists of anything you want to make a list of" space -- we categorize songs on their WP:DEFINING characteristics, not on every individual word their lyrics happen to share with other songs' lyrics. Never mind that probably at least 25 per cent of all songs ever recorded go "la la la" somewhere -- unsustainable much? -- but our la fan cherrypicked just three of them. Bearcat (talk) 08:41, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * delete as not defining. Mangoe (talk) 14:36, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * La, la, la-la la la, O-C trivia
 * La, la, la-la la la, delete this category. – Laundry Pizza 03  ( d c&#x0304; ) 17:13, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep because a lot of these songs are known for their La's, so the La's define them. Thus they are La Songs. And people who have the La La's stuck in their head may want to look at the category to find the song. And add the Smurf song. Bod (talk) 02:57, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Songs are not defined by words present in their lyrics; they are defined by criteria such as the artist who performed them and the year they were released. And the Smurfs theme song doesn't have (and would never even qualify to have) its own standalone article to add here either — the link LaundryPizza added is to the show itself, not an article about its theme song. Bearcat (talk) 16:22, 17 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Categorizing songs by the words, phrases, or noises they contain is a really bad idea. Moreover, along the lines that Bearcat asserts: songs are rarely, if ever, defined by the words they contain - especially so to meaningless refrain syllables - are "la songs" inherently defined, and defined differently than "fa songs" or "sha songs" or "na songs"? What reliable source tells us so? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:39, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


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