Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 June 20



Category:Sulphur mining

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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Timrollpickering 23:57, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sulphur mining to Category:Sulfur mining
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistency with parent category (Category:Sulfur) and with daughter category (Category:Sulfur mines). WP:SULF may apply as well. ChemNerd (talk) 20:46, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. In an English encyclopaedia, spelling variations are just something that are there and no point in discussing them as long as they are right for each country. "Sulphur" is correct in GB; "sulfur" is correct in USA. The category has been created using the British variant and so be it. I notice there is variation in the sub-categories too: Sulfur mines in Canada‎, Sulphur mines in Finland‎ and Sulfur mines in the United States‎. All are correct, or at least not incorrect, so leave well alone. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 21:49, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep -- This is an ENGVAR issue. Whatever the outcome, the other version should exist as a cat-redirect.  As an Englishman I prefer "sulphur".  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:34, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Rename, with no prejudice against a wider discussion on the spelling of this category tree. As long as the rest of the category tree is "sulfur", and this category isn't specific to a location where the used spelling is "sulphur", this category should match the rest of the tree. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:58, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:ENGVAR. While consistency between category names and article names is a good thing to strive for, it's not the be-all-and-end-all at risk of starting a feud. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:10, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Rename per WP:SULF. If no consensus is reached, let us at least create a redirect at Category:Sulfur mining for convenience. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:21, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Lords Advocate

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 11:51, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lords Advocate to Category:Lord Advocates
 * Nominator's rationale: Category currently uses wrong plural noun. jamacfarlane (talk) 19:09, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Rename: Unlike Solicitor General for instance, it appears that the nom is correct about the plural form, being used in official sources and various books titled The Lord Advocates of Scotland. Catrìona (talk) 23:05, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


 * rename per nom. The Solicitors General are solicitors, not generals; the Lord Advocates are advocates, not lords. Mangoe (talk) 20:28, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Rename as Category:Lord Advocates. We need to see some reliable sources which prove which terminology is correctly used in Great Britain and especially in Scotland. I have found this page which confirms that Lord Advocates is the plural. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 22:04, 21 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Politicians in Tanzania

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 04:23, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Politicians in Tanzania to Category:Tanzanian politicians
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate purpose. Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 18:27, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - the single article Mayor of Dodoma (not a politician anyway) is already in the target, via a subcat. Oculi (talk) 13:13, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete -- The one article is on an office not a politician. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:30, 27 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Government of United Republic of Tanzania

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Local government in Tanzania. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:26, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Government of United Republic of Tanzania to Category:Government of Tanzania
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate purpose. Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 18:20, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Suggest merge to Category:Local government in Tanzania. Oculi (talk) 13:24, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete (or convert to cat-redirect). The one article does not belong here but in Category:Local Government in Tanzania — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterkingiron (talk • contribs) 16:32, 27 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Lists of mayors of Dodoma Municipal

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete both (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 04:29, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lists of mayors of dodoma municipal


 * Nominator's rationale: Small category (one member excluding itself) with no potential for growth - unlikely that more than one list will ever be needed. Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 17:09, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete  also Category:Government of United Republic of Tanzania which just contains itself and the Mayor article. We already have Category:Mayors of Dodoma, which is about as much as we need.  I would normally wish to merge to something like Category:Local government in Tanzania or Category:Mayors of places in Tanzania, both of which exist but are underdeveloped.  The first only relates to Tanga.  The second has two subcats.  So far there is really not enough to make more than a single category out of all of them.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:32, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - also Category:Dodoma -related lists (same contents). Mayor of Dodoma is not a list either; it does contain a list. Oculi (talk) 13:20, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. There can only ever be one list of mayors of a single municipality, so each such list does not need its own dedicated category just to contain itself. This is effectively an WP:OCEPON violation, even if it isn't quite a literal one, because despite its different name it isn't serving and can't be made to serve any purpose different from a more literally eponymous category. Bearcat (talk) 19:49, 21 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Wing commanders

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 04:32, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wing commanders


 * Nominator's rationale: We don't have categories for other ranks, except for general, flag and air officers, who are a distinct group (and even then we don't divide them by exact rank). This rank is equivalent to lieutenant-colonel or commander. Any officer who reached a more senior rank would have held that rank en route. Douglas Bader, who is in this category, was actually one of them; he reached the rank of group captain. Surely we're not going to create categories for every single rank and include in them every single person who held that rank at some point in their careers? -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:14, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment -- We have five people in the category, which would be enough to keep. However, the inclusion criterion should be that this was their highest RAF rank; ns the category should be parented in a (British) RAF tree not a general Air Forces one.  I suspect that there is scope for populating this further.  Holding that rank does not make a person notable, but an otherwise notable person who held the rank (and none higher) should be included.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:48, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Categorizing like that would mean that if a wingco was promoted they would need to be removed from the category - we generally try to avoid that in categorization. DexDor(talk) 19:22, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Why? They're already in Category:Royal Air Force officers. That's quite enough. We don't have to categorise by exact rank. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:03, 21 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom (assuming, as is the case currently, that no upmerge to Category:Air force officers is necessary). DexDor(talk) 19:22, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep There are plenty of Notable wing commanders and so it is sensible to have a category for them. Andrew D. (talk) 22:46, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * There are also plenty of notable captains, majors, second lieutenants, sergeants, privates, lieutenant-commanders, etc, etc. Are you advocating a category for every one? There are already categories for officers and rankers of each service (which these people are in); is that not enough? -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:03, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom, Peterkingiron and DexDor. I think it makes more sense to have a category for wing leaders (which doesn't exist yet) but we should not make a category for wing commanders unless there is also categories for colonels, Navy commanders etc. Catrìona (talk) 22:59, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom, Catriona and others. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:19, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom, seems pointless to me as their only common denominator is that they were once a Wing Commander, their notability is for other things Lyndaship (talk) 15:27, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete military officers get promoted from time to time: it's not clear whether the category is for those who held the rank (i) when they became notable (ii) when they retired (iii) at any time (iv) currently hold the rank. I also think that careful improvement of Wing commander (rank) serves a better purpose. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 20:45, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't see how the category is useful. It seems to be a case of a category for the sake of a category, really. Izzat Kutebar (talk) 22:07, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete -- although obviously many officers 'top out' at wingco, for others it's simply a step to higher rank, thus I don't think such a category counts for much; like Catrìona, I think a cat for wing leader would make more sense (of course I may be biased as the originator of the wing leader article)... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:07, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete not defining, and I don't support having categories for every rank in each service, that would be overcategorisation. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:55, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - categorising by the final rank (per 's comment) would be the only sensible way to implement this (just as it is only ever final rank that is used to identify a person), but I agree with other editors that it would result in far too many categories if we had a category for every rank (not only on account of the size that the categories for junior officers and NCOs would rapidly swell to, but especially if editors began adding all a person's attained ranks). To my mind, simply having rank / position categories in line with WP:MILPEOPLE notability guidelines makes most sense. — Sasuke Sarutobi (push to talk) 10:07, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I think the premise of the nom isn't entirely accurate: e.g., Category:Colonels (military rank) and Category:United States Navy captains‎, and the whole tree of Category:Fictional military personnel by rank. However, it's probably not a good idea to have anything less than generals/admirals be categorized for most of the people it's not defining and given that for many it is a career progression having nearly every flag officer in every lower category he or she progressed through would add category clutter to articles. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:19, 27 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Ford video games

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ford video games


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCAT Defined as any video game containing a Ford, which is a huge number and there's no precedent of "video games which include (X) car" categories. Also, Category:Ford Racing (series) includes most the games in this category already. Vossanova o&lt; 14:10, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Non-defining characteristic. Dumb category. --The1337gamer (talk) 22:28, 25 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category: Fish of Australia subcats.

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 04:40, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Marine fauna of Eastern Australia to Category:Marine fish of Eastern Australia
 * Propose renaming Category:Marine fauna of Southern Australia to Category:Marine fish of Southern Australia
 * Propose renaming Category:Marine fauna of Southeastern Australia to Category:Marine fish of Southeastern Australia
 * Propose renaming Category:Marine fauna of Western Australia to Category:Marine fish of Western Australia
 * Propose renaming Category:Marine fauna of Northern Australia to Category:Marine fish of Northern Australia
 * Nominator's rationale: the categories exclusively contain fish ; name changes required for suitable sub-categories of Marine fish of Australia


 * Keep and create fish subcats. Most may well be fish but Southern blue-ringed octopus is not. Oculi (talk) 14:45, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it just be easier to rename all, then move the one or two non-fish entries back to a new "Marine fauna of Australia" cat. ? --Couiros22 (talk) 15:33, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep can create the targets, possibly using the closure mechanism suggested by Couiros22. We need them both.  Turtles and crabs are not fish.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:34, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep and create any subcats properly (see my comment at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_June_18). DexDor(talk) 19:28, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * ... not a sensible idea IMO *see underlying comment* --Couiros22 (talk) 20:01, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Borders of Palestine

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete and redirect (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 04:45, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting borders of palestine


 * Nominator's rationale: This is an unnecessary layer. Redirect to Category:Borders of the State of Palestine. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:36, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Support -- The solution is probably to merge to a parent, to ensure that the child is not orphaned. Conceivably there might be room for an article on the borders of Mandatory Palestine, though I doubt it.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:41, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Support redirect per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 16:51, 22 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People of the Merovingian period

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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus to delete; rename to Category:People of the Merovingian Kingdom. Timrollpickering 23:59, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people of the merovingian period


 * Nominator's rationale: delete: as Merovingian art is a term in art, is does not define the people who were simply Franks. If kept, then at least rename to Category:Frankish people of the Merovingian period. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete All the F people by century except the 8th. Seems a bit pointless. In fact including Category:4th-century Frankish people seems wrong, since the dynasty only really got going in the 5th century. Johnbod (talk) 13:36, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Rename -- We have just had a discussion which looks as if it will close as Category:People of the Carolingian Empire. This one should be closed to match, perhaps Category:People of the Merovingian Kingdom.  Note that Merovingian refers to a dynasty, not an ethnicity.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:38, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The Carolingian Empire was multi-national, but the Merovingian kingdom(s) weren't really (as seen by the contents of the cat). So why is it needed? Nodody said it was an ethnicity. Johnbod (talk) 19:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:People of the Merovingian Kingdom per Peterkingiron. Should than be lowercase "kingdom"? Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:58, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It is not the the Merovingian kingdom (with or without capital K), but it is Francia, the kingdom of the Franks. Peterkingiron is right that Merovingian refers to a dynasty, not to an ethnicity (or a nationality, or a country). Marcocapelle (talk) 15:28, 23 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete the Merovingian period is a stretch of time; people were living during that stretch that may have nothing to do with Francia. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:23, 27 June 2018 (UTC)


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