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Category:Eukaryotes by year

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 23:20, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Eukaryotes described in 1836 to Category:Species described in 1836
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2018 to Category:Species described in 2018
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1820s to Category:Species described in the 1820s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 18th century to Category:Species described in the 18th century


 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1786 to Category:Species described in 1786
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1822 to Category:Species described in 1822
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1823 to Category:Species described in 1823
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1826 to Category:Species described in 1826
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1830 to Category:Species described in 1830
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1831 to Category:Species described in 1831
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1832 to Category:Species described in 1832
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1833 to Category:Species described in 1833
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1834 to Category:Species described in 1834
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1835 to Category:Species described in 1835
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1836 to Category:Species described in 1836
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1838 to Category:Species described in 1838
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1839 to Category:Species described in 1839
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1840 to Category:Species described in 1840
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1841 to Category:Species described in 1841
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1843 to Category:Species described in 1843
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1844 to Category:Species described in 1844
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1854 to Category:Species described in 1854
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1856 to Category:Species described in 1856
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1857 to Category:Species described in 1857
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1859 to Category:Species described in 1859
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1860 to Category:Species described in 1860
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1862 to Category:Species described in 1862
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1864 to Category:Species described in 1864
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1865 to Category:Species described in 1865
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1866 to Category:Species described in 1866
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1867 to Category:Species described in 1867
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1872 to Category:Species described in 1872
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1873 to Category:Species described in 1873
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1874 to Category:Species described in 1874
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1875 to Category:Species described in 1875
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1876 to Category:Species described in 1876
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1877 to Category:Species described in 1877
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1878 to Category:Species described in 1878
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1879 to Category:Species described in 1879
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1881 to Category:Species described in 1881
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1883 to Category:Species described in 1883
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1884 to Category:Species described in 1884
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1885 to Category:Species described in 1885
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1886 to Category:Species described in 1886
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1889 to Category:Species described in 1889
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1890 to Category:Species described in 1890
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1891 to Category:Species described in 1891
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1892 to Category:Species described in 1892
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1893 to Category:Species described in 1893
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1894 to Category:Species described in 1894
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1895 to Category:Species described in 1895
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1896 to Category:Species described in 1896
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1897 to Category:Species described in 1897
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1898 to Category:Species described in 1898
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1899 to Category:Species described in 1899
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1901 to Category:Species described in 1901
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1902 to Category:Species described in 1902
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1905 to Category:Species described in 1905
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1906 to Category:Species described in 1906
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1907 to Category:Species described in 1907
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1908 to Category:Species described in 1908
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1910 to Category:Species described in 1910
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1911 to Category:Species described in 1911
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1912 to Category:Species described in 1912
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1914 to Category:Species described in 1914
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1915 to Category:Species described in 1915
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1916 to Category:Species described in 1916
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1919 to Category:Species described in 1919
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1920 to Category:Species described in 1920
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1921 to Category:Species described in 1921
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1922 to Category:Species described in 1922
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1923 to Category:Species described in 1923
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1924 to Category:Species described in 1924
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1925 to Category:Species described in 1925
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1926 to Category:Species described in 1926
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1927 to Category:Species described in 1927
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1928 to Category:Species described in 1928
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1929 to Category:Species described in 1929
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1930 to Category:Species described in 1930
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1931 to Category:Species described in 1931
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1932 to Category:Species described in 1932
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1933 to Category:Species described in 1933
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1934 to Category:Species described in 1934
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1935 to Category:Species described in 1935
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1936 to Category:Species described in 1936
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1937 to Category:Species described in 1937
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1938 to Category:Species described in 1938
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1939 to Category:Species described in 1939
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1940 to Category:Species described in 1940
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1941 to Category:Species described in 1941
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1945 to Category:Species described in 1945
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1946 to Category:Species described in 1946
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1947 to Category:Species described in 1947
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1948 to Category:Species described in 1948
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1949 to Category:Species described in 1949
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1950 to Category:Species described in 1950
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1956 to Category:Species described in 1956
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1957 to Category:Species described in 1957
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1958 to Category:Species described in 1958
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1959 to Category:Species described in 1959
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1961 to Category:Species described in 1961
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1963 to Category:Species described in 1963
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1967 to Category:Species described in 1967
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1968 to Category:Species described in 1968
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1969 to Category:Species described in 1969
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1970 to Category:Species described in 1970
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1971 to Category:Species described in 1971
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1972 to Category:Species described in 1972
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1973 to Category:Species described in 1973
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1974 to Category:Species described in 1974
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1975 to Category:Species described in 1975
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1976 to Category:Species described in 1976
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1977 to Category:Species described in 1977
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1978 to Category:Species described in 1978
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1979 to Category:Species described in 1979
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1980 to Category:Species described in 1980
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1982 to Category:Species described in 1982
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1983 to Category:Species described in 1983
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1984 to Category:Species described in 1984
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1985 to Category:Species described in 1985
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1986 to Category:Species described in 1986
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1988 to Category:Species described in 1988
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1989 to Category:Species described in 1989
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1990 to Category:Species described in 1990
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1991 to Category:Species described in 1991
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1992 to Category:Species described in 1992
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1993 to Category:Species described in 1993
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1994 to Category:Species described in 1994
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1995 to Category:Species described in 1995
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1996 to Category:Species described in 1996
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1997 to Category:Species described in 1997
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1998 to Category:Species described in 1998
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 1999 to Category:Species described in 1999
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2000 to Category:Species described in 2000
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2001 to Category:Species described in 2001
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2002 to Category:Species described in 2002
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2003 to Category:Species described in 2003
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2004 to Category:Species described in 2004
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2005 to Category:Species described in 2005
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2006 to Category:Species described in 2006
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2007 to Category:Species described in 2007
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2008 to Category:Species described in 2008
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2009 to Category:Species described in 2009
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2010 to Category:Species described in 2010
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2011 to Category:Species described in 2011
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2012 to Category:Species described in 2012
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2013 to Category:Species described in 2013
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2014 to Category:Species described in 2014
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2015 to Category:Species described in 2015
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2016 to Category:Species described in 2016
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2017 to Category:Species described in 2017
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in 2018 to Category:Species described in 2018
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1820s to Category:Species described in the 1820s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1830s to Category:Species described in the 1830s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1840s to Category:Species described in the 1840s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1850s to Category:Species described in the 1850s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1860s to Category:Species described in the 1860s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1870s to Category:Species described in the 1870s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1880s to Category:Species described in the 1880s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1890s to Category:Species described in the 1890s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 18th century to Category:Species described in the 18th century
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1900s to Category:Species described in the 1900s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1910s to Category:Species described in the 1910s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1920s to Category:Species described in the 1920s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1930s to Category:Species described in the 1930s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1940s to Category:Species described in the 1940s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1950s to Category:Species described in the 1950s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1960s to Category:Species described in the 1960s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1970s to Category:Species described in the 1970s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1980s to Category:Species described in the 1980s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 1990s to Category:Species described in the 1990s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 19th century to Category:Species described in the 19th century
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 2000s to Category:Species described in the 2000s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 2010s to Category:Species described in the 2010s
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 20th century to Category:Species described in the 20th century
 * Merge Category:Eukaryotes described in the 21st century to Category:Species described in the 21st century


 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary intermediate layer, mostly created by the blocked user:Caftaric. Oculi (talk) 17:33, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Support deletion. As per the proposer, this is an unnecessary intermediate, making the "Species described in YEAR" system of categories even harder to navigate. No consensus was ever sought and certainly not obtained for these categories, as was typical of Caftaric. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:00, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Is this in accordance with the consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life? --Nessie (talk) 20:21, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It comes under "the system has become somewhat of a mess, with extra categories added without consensus". These "Eukaryotes described in" have been added without consensus. Oculi (talk) 22:14, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:00, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to make sure everything was on the same page. --Nessie (talk) 15:32, 29 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Songs about men

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Note that Category:Songs about women has also been deleted. Timrollpickering 13:19, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting songs about men


 * Nominator's rationale: It's about a man, so it needs to be categorised accordingly? I think not. If we can't delete this, can we at least turn it into a container category - in honour of the valid sub-cats? Richhoncho (talk) 14:34, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep: The thing is that there's also a category Songs about women. I do recognize the problem, but if one category has to go then they other should go too. A solution might be to specify these categories more. - User:Kjell Knudde, 17:27, 28 June 2018 (UTC).
 * Category:songs about women has also being nominated in precisely the same terms. --Richhoncho (talk) 22:41, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete typical problem of categories "about" something; how much about it must the article be, and what reliable source tells us that it's at least that much? Apart from that: (i) something as unwieldy as "men" or "women" (see below) as being about makes this particularly not useful for anyone searching about the subject. If this were so important and defining a characteristic, you'd expect a parent like Category:Songs about people or such, and a whole tree for works about people (whether individuals, groups, or the species); and (ii) we don't have an article Songs about men, and short of a list I'm not sure one could be written that isn't WP:SYNTH. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:56, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, possibly containerize, possibly merge to Category:Songs about people. The subcategories are a coherent set of categories that should have a common parent. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Just a mishmash of songs with no specific connection to make this category worthwhile. There is no reason I would navigate from The Candy Man to Let's Hear It for the Boy because of this category. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 10:46, 1 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Songs about women

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 13:19, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting songs about women


 * Nominator's rationale: It's about a woman, so it needs to be categorised accordingly? I think not. If we can't delete this, can we at least turn it into a container category - in honour of the valid sub-cats? Richhoncho (talk) 14:33, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete typical problem of categories "about" something; how much about it must the article be, and what reliable source tells us that it's at least that much? Apart from that: (i) something as unwieldy as "men" (see above) or "women" as being about makes this particularly not useful for anyone searching about the subject. If this were so important and defining a characteristic, you'd expect a parent like Category:Songs about people or such, and a whole tree for works about people (whether individuals, groups, or the species); and (ii) we don't have an article Songs about women, and short of a list I'm not sure one could be written that isn't WP:SYNTH. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:56, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, possibly containerize, possibly merge to Category:Songs about people. The subcategories (excluding the feminist ones) are a coherent set of categories that should have a common parent. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Just a mishmash of songs with no specific connection to make this category worthwhile. There is no plausible reason I would navigate from Hey There Delilah to Eleanor Rigby through this category. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 10:46, 1 July 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Ancient tribes in Moldova

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 23:19, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ancient tribes in moldova


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT, the articles are already in Category:Ancient tribes in Dacia. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete the present Moldova is the part of Romania, which was ceded to USSR at the end of WWII. This is far too small an area to merit an ancient history category of its own.  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:48, 29 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Ancient history of the Carpathian-Dniester area

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 23:18, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Ancient history of the Carpathian-Dniester area to Category:Ancient history of Romania
 * Nominator's rationale: merge unclear Romanian/Moldovan region that did not have its own separate history in ancient and medieval times until the Principality of Moldova was founded in the 14th century. For comparison, Carpathian-Dniester area in the Early Middle Ages redirects to Romania in the Middle Ages. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:46, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Support -- The scope of the category is unclear. It is not wholly satisfactory to use a polity that has only existed in anything like its present form for 100 (arguably 150) years, but the alternative is worse.  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:46, 29 June 2018 (UTC)


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