Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 March 28



Category:Gay villages in the New Jersey

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:58, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Gay villages in the New Jersey to Category:Gay villages in New Jersey
 * Nominator's rationale: At the very least, this definitely has to be renamed -- the standard form in geographic categories is just "New Jersey", not "the New Jersey". That said, I'm not entirely convinced that this actually needs to exist at all -- it doesn't satisfy either of the required conditions for geographic diffusion of a parent category, as is not large enough to require subdivision by state and the intersection is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic in its own right. (It does already have a few categories for other states which will also need to be reconsidered if people agree with me about this.) Accordingly, I'm taking it to a full CFD, just in case other people agree with me, instead of just listing it for a speedy renaming. But at the absolute minimum it definitely has to be renamed. Bearcat (talk) 21:04, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * rename per nom to match standard names for the US state of New Jersey Hmains (talk) 02:30, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 *  rename why is there a "the"?  Artix Kreiger (talk) 03:15, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * In the end it should be deleted both per WP:NONDEF and per WP:SMALLCAT, in two out of the four articles there is not even a mention of gay. For procedural reasons it may be purged and merged to Category:Gay villages in the United States because plain deletion would require a broader nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:06, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * rename per nom "The New Jersey" seems to be an error. Dimadick (talk) 13:50, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've removed the category tag from two articles that didn't contain any relevant text. The whole of Category:Gay villages needs clear inclusion criteria and purging. Agree with rename. DexDor(talk) 20:01, 5 April 2018 (UTC)


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Category:1990s American LGBT sitcoms

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 04:07, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 1990s american lgbt sitcoms


 * Propose deleting 2000s american lgbt sitcoms


 * Propose deleting 2010s american lgbt sitcoms


 * Nominator's rationale: Three WP:SMALLCATs, all created just to contain a single sitcom. Parent is not large enough to need subdivision by decade -- even granting the debatable proposition that it actually needs to exist at all, it contains just eight other entries, for a total of nine once W&G is upmerged back into it. There's simply no need to obsessively subcategorize things this narrowly. Bearcat (talk) 20:54, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Upmerge pre nom. BTW, I had to stop and check why Wallace and Gromit was considered an American LGBT sitcom! :) Grutness... wha?   09:04, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to American LGBT-related sitcoms. The parent category is overly small for subcategorization. By the way, we already have a List of situation comedies with LGBT characters, covering sitcoms from the 1970s onwards. Apparently The Corner Bar (1972-1973) was the first sitcom with a recurring gay character. Dimadick (talk) 14:00, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Non-governmental organizations of elected officials in the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Government-related professional associations in the United States.
 * Propose renaming Category:Non-governmental organizations of elected officials in the United States to Category:organizations of elected officials in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: The fact that they are non-governmental organisations is not defining nor helpful. In line with similar categories. Rathfelder (talk) 09:11, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose The whole point of this category is that the organisations are non-governmental, i.e. that they are not emanations of the state or federal govt. This distinguishes them from all the governmental bodies which such people belong to. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:11, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comments - Rathfelder (who has yet to master the art of the persuasive cfd nom despite daily practice over several years) relies upon this ongoing cfd and this earlier cfd which found against NGOs. I am not sure that I agree with either nom. Oculi (talk) 15:44, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I understand that we agreed to delete all of the Category:Non-governmental organizations in 2016. These categories were not linked to it.  I am just following through.
 * These organisations all appear to be political organizations in the United States. The whole point of the NGO concept was not to be political.  No other political organisations have been  put in the NGO categories. Rathfelder (talk) 21:20, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Professional associations of government officials in the United States or split, most articles in this category are about professional associations of politicians and elected civil servants (so perhaps split the category between politicians and civil servants). The current category name is awkward and unclear. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:23, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree we should deal with the elected official organisations differently. I think they should be merged into Category:Political organizations in the United States if we don't want a separate category for them.  But the others should be in Category:Professional associations based in the United States and its various sub categories. Rathfelder (talk) 16:45, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Or Category:Government-related professional associations, which I have just discovered. Rathfelder (talk) 18:35, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't see a reason for merging, but both the latter categories are perfect new parent categories for this category. A better name for this category is apparently Category:Government-related professional associations in the United States, to align with its new discovered parent. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm happy with that. Rathfelder (talk) 23:01, 1 April 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Non-governmental organizations of elected officials in Nigeria

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Political organizations in Nigeria. One is stated to be non-partisan so I have also added it into Category:Government-related professional associations. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:16, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting non-governmental organizations of elected officials in nigeria


 * Nominator's rationale: Ill defined and superfluous Rathfelder (talk) 09:09, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose The whole point of this category is clearly-defined in its title: that the organisations are non-governmental, i.e. that they are not emanations of the state or federal govt. This distinguishes them from all the governmental bodies which such people belong to.
 * I note the contrast between this nomination to delete and the nom above to rename the equivalent American category. I hope that has very good explanation for the different actions, because the only distinction I can see is that Rathfelder wants to delete the African category. Not a good look :( -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:19, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * These organisations appear all to be associated with various Nigerian political parties. Political parties have never been categorised as Non-governmental organizations. Rathfelder (talk) 21:26, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Government of Nigeria or Category:State governments of Nigeria, per WP:SMALLCAT. All three articles are about professional associations of state governors. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:27, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * the defining characteristic of these organizations is that they are not part of the Category:Government of Nigeria or Category:State governments of Nigeria. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:59, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Better to merge into Category:Political organizations in Nigeria. Happy to withdraw the idea of deleting it. Rathfelder (talk) 16:40, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * That may be a better target indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Non-governmental organisations with Irish names

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. At least based on this poorly conceived nomination. ℯ xplicit  05:18, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting non-governmental organisations with irish names


 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining Rathfelder (talk) 09:08, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose What ? You will need a much better reason then something as vague as "Non-defining". It is very clear what category is about. Djln Djln (talk) 13:27, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You might be interested in this discussion. Djln Djln (talk) 13:40, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose. This is an intersection of Category:Non-governmental organizations and Category:Entities with Irish names.  has not proposed deleting either parent category, so his unspecified objection must be to the intersection.
 * So why does Rathfelder propose deletion, rather than merge to both parents? Why does Rathfelder want to remove these NGOs from both Category:Non-governmental organizations and Category:Entities with Irish names?
 * And what exactly does Rathfelder consider non-defining about non-governmental organisations with Irish names which doesn't apply equally to Category:Schools and colleges with Irish names, Category:Sports venues with Irish names, Category:Political institutions with Irish names, etc?  Why exactly are NGOs  a problem when no other subcat of  Category:Entities with Irish names has been nominated?
 * This looks like a thoroughly ill-considered drive-by nomination. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:59, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment - there is Category:Entities with Celtic names. One might argue that this is categorisation by shared name or one might prefer to leave well alone. Oculi (talk) 15:31, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I would support this as a nomination in the spirit of WP:SHAREDNAME, but a broader nomination may be required. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:18, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * We agreed to delete all the NGO categories two years ago - Categories for discussion/Log/2016 April 5. Very large numbers of them have gone.  It makes no sense to keep these.  We dont have categories for organisations with French, Dutch or Spanish names.   Rathfelder (talk) 21:23, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * would you like to answer the questions in my oppose? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:24, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I would be happy to rename the category "organisations with Irish names‎". I'm only following through the implications of our earlier decision to abolish the NGO categories.  I dont actually see the categories based on the language of names is very helpful, but I dont object to it. I guess it relates to a political issue in Ireland. Rathfelder (talk) 12:19, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * it's a great pity that you still demonstrate zero comprehension of the distinction between deleting a category and merging it to its parents. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, though I'd like to see a better name than "Entities..." After all, I am an entity with an Irish name. Grutness... wha?   02:26, 4 April 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Films directed by Bala (director)

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 04:13, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Films directed by Bala (director) to Category:Films directed by Bala
 * Nominator's rationale: He is the only (known) director with the name Bala. -- Kailash29792 (talk)  06:24, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support: Its fine if the title gets renamed. I'm okay with it. Srivin (talk) 12:19, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Head article is Bala (director). -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:50, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose per BHG.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:56, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose per BHG. It's an easy rule: follow the article. Oculi (talk) 15:21, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Withdraw: I have created Category:Films directed by Bala, which now redirects to this. -- Kailash29792 (talk)  08:12, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Empress Ki (TV series)

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 04:17, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting empress ki (tv series)


 * Nominator's rationale: A category for a modern TV series that contains a bunch of emperors, empresses, and ministers from the 14th century. Timmyshin (talk) 02:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete – Yup, these are all real people. Not appropriate for a TV series category. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 06:02, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Having been portrayed by an actor or actress in a historical drama television series, 650 to 700 years after their death, is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of these people. Just because it's on the real people who the TV characters were inspired by, instead of the actors who were in it, doesn't make it any less of a WP:PERFCAT violation. Bearcat (talk) 03:05, 29 March 2018 (UTC)


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