Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 March 5



Category:People from Tonnerre

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 18:36, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People from Tonnerre to Category:People from Tonnerre, Yonne
 * Nominator's rationale: To match name of head article, Tonnerre, Yonne. DuncanHill (talk) 23:20, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Your request seems eligible for WP:C2D. Steel1943  (talk) 18:18, 6 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Bandy World Championship-winning players

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 18:43, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Bandy World Championship-winning players to Category:Bandy World Championship winners
 * Nominator's rationale: No clear distinction between the child and the parent, which has no other content. SFB 19:21, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Created in style of Category:FIFA World Cup winners and subcategories Smartskaft (talk) 10:14, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Olympic javelin throwers

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 18:44, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting olympic javelin throwers


 * Nominator's rationale: Per a discussion at the Olympics Project, this seems like overkill/overcatting to have categories for each event under the track and field banner, and will lead to category clutter.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:02, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Merging all events under track and field would be unwieldy. If it's really that important to keep some of them together, we could have a category just for runners or distance and sprint runners to keep from proliferation. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:29, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge Olympic athletes (track and field) are already divided by year and country. I don't find either of these two branches too unwieldy – most nations have had less than 100 Olympic athletics entrants in their history and even for the most populous countries like China, that figure is just over 300. The yearly one is admittedly quite large at around 2000 athletes for the last few Games, but I think dividing this further by event will lead to an unsatisfactory outcome for many articles in terms of category clutter. For example, the Carl Lewis article already has 11 Olympic categories and if we divide the years by each event this will double that number to 22 (between his 100 m, 200 m, long jump and relay appearances in multiple years). Lewis is not unique in that issue, but is emblematic of how the sport of athletics works. The athletics categorisation scheme is already heavy with tiny categories – there are around 1200 javelin thrower biographies and already nearly 300 javelin thrower categories. I don't think we should be adding to that. SFB 20:45, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment 200 pages can be seen in a category (without clicking next), so don't you think 2000+ is bit too much? What's actually the point of categorization? All the categories are on the bottom of the article, so I don't see a problem with that. 100m and 200m don't have to be separated, like Koavf said. What about Carl Lewis and "People from Willingboro Township, New Jersey", "Sportspeople from Birmingham, Alabama", "Track and field athletes from New Jersey", "Track and field athletes from California", "Sportspeople from Burlington County, New Jersey"? I usually see 1 cat for this matter. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 22:15, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per Justin (Koavf), and as a logical intersection with Category:Javelin throwers. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:11, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep and populate with related subcategories according to the . 91.124.117.29 (talk) 01:37, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Kerp -- I see no reason not to split this by sport, javelin, discus, high jump, etc are all track and field disciplines, but with little crossover between them. I would not advocate a split between runners.  Though 100m specialists probably do not do 1000m or 5000m, there is likely to be a continuum.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:11, 11 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Competitors at multi-sport events by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:45, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Competitors at multi-sport events by country to Category:Competitors at multi-sport events by delegation


 * Sub-noms
 * Category:African Games competitors by country to Category:African Games competitors by delegation
 * Category:African Games medalists by country to Category:African Games medalists by delegation
 * Category:Asian Games competitors by country to Category:Asian Games competitors by delegation
 * Category:Asian Games medalists by country to Category:Asian Games medalists by delegation
 * Category:Commonwealth Games competitors by country to Category:Commonwealth Games competitors by delegation
 * Category:Commonwealth Games medallists by country to Category:Commonwealth Games medallists by delegation
 * Category:European Games competitors by country to Category:European Games competitors by delegation
 * Category:European Games medalists by country to Category:European Games medalists by delegation
 * Category:Maccabiah competitors by country to Category:Maccabiah Games competitors by delegation (aligning with parent event naming)
 * Category:Olympic competitors by country to Category:Olympic competitors by delegation
 * Category:Olympic medalists by country to Category:Olympic medalists by delegation
 * Category:Summer Olympics competitors by country to Category:Summer Olympics competitors by delegation
 * Category:Winter Olympics competitors by country to Category:Winter Olympics competitors by delegation
 * Category:Pan American Games competitors by country to Category:Pan American Games competitors by delegation
 * Category:Paralympic competitors by country to Category:Paralympic competitors by delegation
 * Category:Paralympic medalists by country to Category:Paralympic medalists by delegation
 * Category:World Championships in Athletics athletes by country to Category:World Championships in Athletics athletes (upmerge to parent as there are no by year/sport trees to distinguish from)


 * Nominator's rationale: International sports events often feature delegations which are not country-based. These may be non-country federations, such as Hong Kong or Gibraltar, or governing body-led delegations, such as refugee and non-aligned teams. As such, the use of the word "country" in this tree is not helpful to categorisation. Delegation (which does not denotes the notion of country) is a phrase often used in relation these teams and is broad enough to capture the relevant concepts. SFB 18:17, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Leaning to oppose. The nominator makes a good case, but en.wp categorisation rightly takes a broad view of the scope of country, including non-sovereign territories such as Hong Kong and Gibraltar, and territories with limited recognition such as Kosovo. we wouldn't help our readers by being pedantic about whether e.g. the Unified Team at the 1992 Summer Olympics was a country, or whether Palestine at the Summer Olympics is a country.
 * All the rest of our categorisation of sport is by country/nationality, and it would be a pity to break that convention.
 * I would prefer to either:
 * continue with the anomaly of a few non-country delegations in "by country" categories, or
 * create parallel categories for non-territorial delegations
 * However, I fear that if we create an alternative to countries, we will tempt some people to start arguing about where best to put Palestine and the Unified Team.  So overall, I say best leave well alone. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:40, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * For reference, the logic of this convention of linking nationality with a person having competed for a team at an event only goes one level higher, starting at Category:Sports competitors by nationality and competition. If the concept of delegations is split from nationality, the national delegation categories would still remain directly in the nationality tree via categories such as Category:Chinese competitors by sports event. Another key caveat here is that sports nationality is distinct from legal nationality and non-nationals may compete for sports national teams for which they do not hold citizenship. SFB 02:02, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * By necessity, en.wp categories are not based on legal nationality. It is v rare for biographical sources to include authoritative info on legal nationality. - Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:05, 6 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Inclined to keep -- The inclusion of a few delegations from non-sovereign polities should not be allowed to upset the scheme. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:14, 11 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Great Lakes Premier League seasons

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 18:47, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting great lakes premier league seasons


 * Nominator's rationale: All listed article in the category was redirected/merged to one article per AfD. So no need. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 13:01, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: Last discussion: Categories for discussion/Log/2018 February 4. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 13:04, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 13:07, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I started it when the seasons had separate pages and the league had ambitions, so need for it any longer. Red Jay (talk) 13:22, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete not needed. GiantSnowman 17:32, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Manned missions to Mars

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename per Talk:Human mission to Mars. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:15, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Manned missions to Mars to Category:Human missions to Mars
 * Nominator's rationale: Change to gender neutral like the main article Human mission to Mars (Manned mission to Mars is actually a redirect). Golan&#39;s mom (talk) 08:22, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Fails to adhere to WP:VERIFIABILITY. WP:POINTy nomination per active discussion being held at Talk:Human mission to Mars. -- Netoholic @  03:22, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - in line with the main article which has been there since 2014. (The active discussion does not as yet seem to be going Netoholic's way.) Oculi (talk) 16:14, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support Proper gender neutral term, as dictated by NASA style guidelines.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support to match with the name of the main article and parent . 91.124.117.29 (talk) 01:41, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi see discussion at the main article Talk:Human_mission_to_Mars Golan&#39;s mom (talk) 09:32, 14 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Manned Soyuz missions

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:19, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Manned Soyuz missions to Category:Crewed Soyuz missions
 * Nominator's rationale: Change to gender neutral as also women participate in these flights. Golan&#39;s mom (talk) 08:22, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Fails to adhere to WP:VERIFIABILITY. WP:POINTy nomination per active discussion being held at Talk:Human mission to Mars. -- Netoholic @  03:22, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Support Proper gender neutral term, as dictated by NASA style guidelines.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Manned spacecraft

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:20, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Manned spacecraft to Category:Crewed spacecraft
 * Nominator's rationale: Change to gender neutral like the main article List of crewed spacecraft (List of manned spacecraft is actually a redirect). Golan&#39;s mom (talk) 08:18, 5 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Fails to adhere to WP:VERIFIABILITY. WP:POINTy nomination per active discussion being held at Talk:Human mission to Mars. -- Netoholic @  03:22, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * main article List of crewed spacecraft has been changed without contest since August 2016. see version history Golan&#39;s mom (talk) 10:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Support Proper gender neutral term, as dictated by NASA style guidelines.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:59, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


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