Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 March 8



Category:Somali-born male long-distance runners

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 * The result of the discussion was: selectively merge. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:49, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Somali-born male long-distance runners to Category:Somalian male long-distance runners
 * Propose merging Category:Eritrean-born male long-distance runners to Category:Eritrean male long-distance runners
 * Nominator's rationale: The notion of a person who was born in Somalia and is a male long-distance runner is already sufficiently accounted for at Category:Somalian male long-distance runners. I don't think being a Somali-born male long-distance runner who is not currently a Somalian citizen is a key enough characteristic to warrant its own categorisation scheme, and I would extend that to any combination of place of birth and athletics event. SFB 22:10, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:43, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - the whole point is that these are not Somalian. (Or delete.) Oculi (talk) 12:26, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. I wouldn't expect to find Mo Farah in Category:Somalian male long-distance runners since he has never competed for Somalia. There are plenty of national descent and expatriate categories that do the job of these ones. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 08:09, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge, we surely do not need separate "born" categories. I'm sympathizing with delete because these people were no longer Somalian while they were notable. However many biographies are put in a "from" category just based on the place of birth of the subject so a merge could be okay for consistency. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:21, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as discussed above merely having been born there doesn't mean you competed for that country. We don't need "born" categories as many people are only notable for their achievements after emigrating from somewhere. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 05:59, 18 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Polaris people

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:42, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting polaris people


 * Nominator's rationale: Category had been used to list people who appeared on a specific show called Polaris Primetime or had a Youtube channel associated with Polaris. This goes against WP:PERFCAT and it is not used for employees of the company, which would fit Category:Maker Studios people. Many of the folks listed do not have any mention of Polaris in their biography, although some have listed Maker Studios. Note there is also a related category Category:Polaris channels.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:50, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. Also not mentioned is the problem of disambiguation. I saw the category name and assumed it was people connected with the nuclear weapons programme. Grutness... wha?   21:35, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I've scrubbed all the entries in the category and moved them either to Maker Studios people or deleted. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:43, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Usual procedure is to wait until the discussion's finished before doing that. If there's a swng towards keep you'd just have to add them back (see the third paragraph of the lede of WP:CFD!) Grutness... wha?   21:38, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries, just the ones that got moved to Maker Studios people would move back as the others don't have any mention. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:45, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've added back the Maker Studios people that had a mention of Polaris on their page. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:29, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks :) Grutness... wha?   01:01, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete -- I thought Polaris was a class of submarine. If kept, it needs a disambiguator.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:31, 11 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Armenian people from Istanbul

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 April 12. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:06, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Armenian people from Istanbul to Category:People from Istanbul
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to . This is an overcategorization which includes an ethnicity and sub-national (city) entity. TM 17:03, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Question, how does this relate to Category:Armenians in Istanbul? Marcocapelle (talk) 18:18, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. Personally, I don't support Ethnic group in City categories in general, but I am especially opposed to biographies of members of an ethnic group from a city because it is likely to be included even when the city and their ethnicity are irrelevant to notability.--TM 13:25, 10 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep -- This is a well-populated intersection. Even if ethnic group by city categories are discouraged, in this case there it an adequate population to keep.  It should be stressed that Armenians as an ethnic group in Turkey are not expatriates from the Republic of Armenia, but people who were subjects of the Ottoman and Byzantine Empires, long before the present republic was even thought of.  Due to the Ottoman millet system, such religious groups were in practice endogamous, so that they have become ethnicities or something close to that.  I think they retain their own language.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:37, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * There are literally thousands of categories that could be adequately populated but that does not mean it is defining.--TM 18:45, 11 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Support, at least to . I'm lukewarm about merging to Category:People from Istanbul since the category concerns for the larger part people who were only born in Istanbul or Constantinople but were notable elsewhere. In particular there are quite a few emigrants in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge ethnicity is probably not defining most of the time, but given the systematic extermination of ethnic Armenians by the Turkish state, this could well be the exception; however, to subdivide by city on such a basis would lead to no end of Category:Jewish people from pick a city in Germany or Austria or Category:Pick a tribe people from pick a city in US, Canada, Australia, so these would become too cumbersome to maintain even given the potentially "defining" nature of this ethnicity in this location... Carlossuarez46 (talk) 06:02, 18 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Discovery Communications

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:38, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Discovery Communications to Category:Discovery Inc.
 * Nominator's rationale: New company name ViperSnake151   Talk  16:43, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Health standards

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:40, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Health standards to Category:Health care technical standards
 * Nominator's rationale: Name is misleading. Rathfelder (talk) 16:05, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Questions. How is the current title misleading? What does "technical" mean in this context and is "technical" standard the defining characteristic here? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:26, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The articles are all about health technology, mostly computerised record systems, not about standards of health or medical treatment. Rathfelder (talk) 22:00, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It is not obvious that for example Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments and Global Medical Device Nomenclature are really about "technology". Is it perhaps a better idea to create a subcategory and focus the subcategory on IT standards? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:18, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
 * They are about medical equipment. Not about the health of human beings. Rathfelder (talk) 19:54, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm merely concerned about using non-common terminology. Neither of the two articles mentions that it is about "technical" standards. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Emerging standards

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Emerging standards to Category:Wireless networking standards
 * Nominator's rationale: An inherently obsolete category - some of these standards appear to have been "emerging" for the last 10 years. All the articles seem to be about Wireless networking standards, but that is by no means the only arena in which standards emerge. Rathfelder (talk) 15:07, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Simplification

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 April 12. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:47, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting simplification


 * Propose deleting simplifications


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF and WP:OR, items in these categories are not defined by the concept of simplification, the category content just reflects a personal view of what belongs to simplification. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:05, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not useful categories.Rathfelder (talk) 16:10, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Simplify the category tree by deleting these categories. Grutness... wha?   00:49, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:British standards

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:48, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:British standards to Category:Standards of the United Kingdom
 * Nominator's rationale: In line with similar categories and to avoid confusion with Category:British Standards Rathfelder (talk) 10:09, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Suggest Category:Standards in the United Kingdom.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:39, 11 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Late Iron Age Scotland

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 April 12. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:55, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose splitting Category:Late Iron Age Scotland to Category:Iron Age Scotland and Category:Scotland in the Early Middle Ages
 * Nominator's rationale: split because this is not a clear period in the history of Scotland. It has Scotland in the Early Middle Ages as it main article, while this is already the main article of its subCategory:Scotland in the Early Middle Ages; there are no articles Late Iron Age Scotland or Iron Age Scotland that indicate a clear period for the Late Iron Age in Scotland; and article British Iron Age suggests that the Scottish Iron Age ends as early as the 5th century, so long before 843 as the header of the category claims. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:34, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Dubious -- In England and Wales, Iron Age ends soon after AD 43. In Scotland, there was no permanent Roman conquest, so that the Iron Age continues much later.  In Ireland the equivalent of the Dark Ages is "Early Christian".  However, I am not clear what the accepted practice is in Scotland, where Christianity was a slightly later arrival.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:44, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The proposal is not to retain this category, exactly because it is not clear indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:48, 18 March 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Video game locations

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 April 12. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:55, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Video game locations to Category:Video game locations and levels
 * Propose merging Category:Video game levels to Category:Video game locations and levels
 * Nominator's rationale: There is a very large amount of overlap between this and Category:Video game levels. The majority of notable game locations are also most likely going to be levels, aside from the rare article about a notable fictional world. Sometimes it is hard to figure out what's a level but not a location. It's easier to just merge one into the other and avoid the hassle, I think. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 00:43, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


 * This seems pretty reasonable. --Izno (talk) 13:58, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Question, shouldn't Category:Video game levels simultaneously be merged to the new Category:Video game locations and levels? Marcocapelle (talk) 23:48, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is what I was proposing.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 21:31, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The second category was neither listed nor tagged. I have done that now. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:47, 17 March 2018 (UTC)


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