Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 May 30



Category:Assamese Mathematicians

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Both articles were already in Category:Indian number theorists so a single merge to Category:Assamese people sufficed.  (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Assamese Mathematicians to Category:Assamese people and Category:Indian mathematicians
 * Nominator's rationale: The category has only two members, and it is not part of a comparable hierarchy in either of the parent categories. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:24, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:OCLOCATION. Place Clichy (talk) 16:43, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Soissonaire queens consort

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:27, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Soissonaire queens consort to Category:Frankish queens consort
 * Propose merging Category:Orleanian queens consort‎ to Category:Frankish queens consort
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge, the Merovingian kings aren't diffused by capital either, so why would their spouses need to be? Marcocapelle (talk) 20:43, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Support. Merovingian kingdoms changed borders from one ruler to another, they do not have a lasting meaning by themselves, except maybe Neustria and Austrasia. Also note that article Kingdom of Soissons does not refer to any Merovingian kingdom but to the earlier unrelated rump Roman state. Place Clichy (talk) 16:43, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * should these categories also be merged to other parents? The first to & ; the second to,  & ? – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:09, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * All biographies are in already; afaik we never categorize queen consorts as people from the capital of the kingdom; afaik we categorize queens consort only by their country of queenship (Frankish in this case), not by their country of birth (Burgundian in this case). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 19 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People of the Carolingian Empire

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 * The result of the discussion was: reverse merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 00:27, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People of the Carolingian Empire to Category:Carolingian people
 * Nominator's rationale: An unnecessary level of categorization; it's also difficult to differentiate between the scope of the two categories. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment, it is the target that is most problematic, Carolingian people isn't really anything, Carolingian is neither a nationality nor an ethnicity, but a dynasty. The people in the target category lived in Francia (until 800) or the Carolingian Empire (thereafter). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:24, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Object -- The Carolingian kings were ethnic Franks, but the empire covered France, Germany, and parts of Italy. This raises the same issues as Ottoman Empire, where the Ottomans were the ruling dynasty and their subjects were Turks, Greeks, Armenians, Arabs, Bulgarians, Vlachs, etc.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:20, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * So, Carolingians are an ethnicity? do you have a reliable source for that? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:52, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * No it is a dynasty, see Carolingian dynasty. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:10, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Right, so Carolingian people makes no sense and maybe the reverse merge suggested below is the way to go. Which is similar to the Category:People of the Ottoman Empire. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:04, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose per Peterkingiron Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:49, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Revert merge to Category:People of the Carolingian Empire. Carolingian people cannot really be used to refer to anybody except members of the Carolingian dynasty. Place Clichy (talk) 16:43, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I have added a cfm template to Category:Carolingian people. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:39, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 * do you support the reverse merge proposal? – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:02, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes I do. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:31, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Support reverse merge to match Ottoman Empire. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:55, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:100 Tourist Sites of Bulgaria

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. The "delete" votes are based in Wikipedia policy, which adds weight, whereas the "keep" vote uses WP:OTHERSTUFF which is weak. As membership of the list is not permanent, I am persuaded by the argument that it is not WP:Defining. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:02, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I was requested to reopen this discussion. After doing some more work on the list page myself, I declined, as the entries in the list were shown to vary quite a lot over time. That discussion is currently at User_talk:Fayenatic_london/Archive19. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:00, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting 100 tourist sites of bulgaria


 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:TOPTEN, and not defining; these places are probably tourist attractions but being on the top 100, which changes from time to time (see article) doesn't define them. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:26, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


 * This not a "top 100 most visited tourist places" or something of the sort, it's a half-a-century-old, more or less permanent "selection" with its accompanying cultural paraphernalia (see article). This category is comparable to Category:Marilyns. – Uanfala (talk) 19:20, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, this is a classic case of WP:TOPTEN, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:17, 1 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Elisabeth Shue

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting elisabeth shue


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON. Other than herself and a character she plays, the only entries are other people, which I'm pretty sure we have a guideline against anyway. -- wooden  superman  15:27, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States from Minnesota

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting justices of the supreme court of the united states from minnesota


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCLOCATION, geographical origin does not have any relevant bearing on the subjects' other characteristics. Place Clichy (talk) 13:23, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Peel Media

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Peel Media to Category:The Peel Group
 * Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated category without main article is best combined with the parent category. UnitedStatesian (talk) 12:29, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Tokyo Metropolitan Television

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename without prejudice to a deletion nomination on Category:Tokyo MX. With no comment for over a month since deletion was proposed it's best to put through the name change now. Timrollpickering 21:09, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Tokyo Metropolitan Television to Category:Tokyo MX
 * Propose renaming Category:Tokyo Metropolitan Television shows to Category:Tokyo MX shows
 * Nominator's rationale: To correspond with the name of the main article Tokyo MX. —Farix (t &#124; c) 11:07, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete the former per WP:SMALLCAT, support the latter rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 7 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People stripped of honors

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:People stripped of awards. Timrollpickering 21:11, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People stripped of honors to Category:People stripped of awards or positions
 * Nominator's rationale: This category covers various awards and people removed from public office. I think the concept makes sense (removal of status as a punishment), but should be named more broadly. SFB 16:49, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * What about someone whose university diploma was cancelled? Is a substantive diploma (as opposed to an honorary degree) an "award"?  (On the other hand, I don't know that a journalist gets fired from an "honor".  Not that we have any journalists here yet.)  I'm always leery of categories getting turned into "or" so that, in effect, the category almost always contains a word that doesn't apply to the subject being added. --Closeapple (talk) 16:59, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of someone being stripped of an earned qualification, usually it is the occupational license to practice that is revoked (e.g. Category:Disbarred lawyers, which I will also put in here as it's a removal from a position). Removal of an honorary degree clearly falls into this category as-is and as-proposed (e.g. ). The phrase "stripped" is never used to indicate simple termination of employment, with the sole exception of honorary roles or roles of public office (which are both already in here). In terms of ideas like "journalist gets fired from an honor" - my head just exploded trying to envisage what that could even mean, let alone find an example to include, so I don't think we need to be concerned about that { SFB 17:55, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Rename as proposed. I think that stripped of position is the loss of a position which is tenured (a full professor) or expected to continue either for a specific term (say, a US state governor) or indefinitely (a British lordship or US federal judge) as opposed to being fired from the typical private employers. I also think that stripped conveys the proper connotation that the act was involuntary on the part of the recipient/holder of the award or position, so removed impeached folks, disbarred lawyers, etc. fit the bill rather than the lawyer who resigns from the bar voluntarily upon retirement, or the various Queens of the Netherlands who abdicate to retire. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:03, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The "or positions" one bothers me as that could apply to any job position loss, whether it's a demotion or a termination, retirement or reclassification, and that's pretty much everyone who isn't self-employed. That would have to be clarified what kind of positions. Note there's Category:Impeached officials removed from office and Category:Clergy removed from office    AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:18, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Object to the proposed category name. Positions and awards are different. No need to bundle. Imho this category should be split into new and/or existing ones! gidonb (talk) 11:59, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Split -- We have a mixture of those stripped of honours or medals (including sporting) on the one hand and professionals and office holders, who are disbarred, defrocked, impeached, etc. We either need to find a name that covers both or have Category:People stripped of honours or medals and Category:People stripped of professions or offices.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:28, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I can see that division makes sense and would support that, though I think you could simplify the former to Category:People stripped of awards (per parent Category:Award winners) as this covers the topic more broadly for things like the Tour de France winners. SFB 19:19, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I have created a Category:People removed from office and moved part of the contents of this category accordingly. That leaves the more simple question for the remainder of this category: should the category still be renamed and if so to what name exactly? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for creating "offices". Now Rename to Category:People stripped of awards.  The fact that this covers honours and medals can be dealt with in a headnote.  I would have preferred this to be a container only category, but that would require the creation of a one-member category, relating to beauty pageants.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:14, 10 June 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Released from excommunication

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 * The result of the discussion was: procedural close. Duplicate of Categories for discussion/Log/2018 May 20. (non-admin closure) – Laundry Pizza 03  ( d  c&#x0304; ) 05:07, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting released from excommunication


 * Nominator's rationale: It's important describes all persons no more excommunicated by the Church Roltz (talk) 01:39, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


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