Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 November 25



Category:Wikipedia guidance essays

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete category and redirect guidance essay to essay. Articles in this category populated by the guidance essay template will be automatically recategorized into Category:Wikipedia essays. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 17:30, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedia guidance essays


 * Nominator's rationale: Useless over-generalization. All WP essays offer WP-related "guidance" (often very opinionated, of course), or they would be MfDed as WP:NOT trash. The pages put into this category are inconsistent with each other, in any meaningful way, and are either already also more specifically sub-categorized under Category:Wikipedia essays or can safely upmerge into it, as can both of Category:Wikipedia guidance essays's sub-categories. This is basically also a TfM of, which should just be redirected to  (after any tweaking to make the parameters all work correctly).  The template (which does nothing but populate this category) also lacks features present in the main one anyway, which is a maintenance hassle. PS: Pages in the nominated category that provide instructions, per se, belong in Category:Wikipedia how-to essays (as well as any applicable topical ones).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:50, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Support replacing the template/category with the generic essay one. There are many problems with essay categorization, but this doesn't seem helpful.  Specific "advice" essays might be a reasonable subcat of essays, but it's probably better to burn this one and start over in the future. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 23:50, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment some of these essays are currently only in this category. If the category is going to be deleted, these essays should be added to Category:Wikipedia essays (or possibly to Category:Orphaned Wikipedia essays, I'm not sure about the purpose of that category). If these articles wouldn't be reclassified they would be truly orphaned. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:08, 26 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Egyptian Premier League footballers

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 * The result of the discussion was: relist, see Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_December_16 (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 09:18, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Egyptian Premier League footballers to Category:Egyptian Premier League players
 * Nominator's rationale: I don't think that "footballers" is the correct word to use here. "Players" is more suitable in my opinion and is used in other leagues' categories. I originally moved it by myself but it was reverted after less than five minutes. Ben5218 (talk) 21:37, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Rename but to something like Category:Footballers in the Egyptian Premier League. Footballers is the usual term in Category:Association football players by country, but 'Egyptian Premier League footballers' is ambiguous, as I immediately thought of Mo Salah, an Egyptian playing in the Premier League. Oculi (talk) 00:30, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * By the way, this category is about the league players, not something else. I proposed that name because almost all leagues use this name. We have Category:Bundesliga players, Category:Premier League players, Category:La Liga players, Category:Ligue 1 players, and many more. Ben5218 (talk) 08:10, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You are quite right about 'players' being used for the leagues. There is Category:Footballers (for many different varieties of football), then Category:Association football players some subcats of which use 'footballers' and others 'players'. 'Egyptian Premier League players' remains ambiguous however, so I would suggest Category:Players in the Egyptian Premier League. Oculi (talk) 12:18, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I respect your opinion, but I still believe that Category:Egyptian Premier League players is the correct name to use and don't think that it would be a good idea to name it anything else except that. Ben5218 (talk) 13:14, 7 December 2018 (UTC)


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Climbs in cycle racing in ...

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 * The result of the discussion was: Purge. Consensus is to purge any articles that don't have significant content about cycling from these categories, and to create List of climbs in cycle racing (current draft at Draft:List of climbs in cycle racing).  If any categories are emptied as a result, I will request speedy-deletion. (non-admin closure) power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 20:20, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Additional comment there may be a need for more stringent inclusion criteria than simply being on the Tour de France once or twice; however many of those articles are stubs with no real content or claims of significnce other than being climbs in cycle racing in France. Editors should feel free to do further cleanup themselves. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 22:55, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Purge and delete if then empty:
 * Category:Climbs in cycle racing in Austria‎
 * Category:Climbs in cycle racing in Belgium
 * Category:Climbs in cycle racing in France‎
 * Category:Climbs in cycle racing in Italy‎
 * Category:Climbs in cycle racing in the Netherlands‎
 * Category:Climbs in cycle racing in Spain‎
 * Category:Climbs in cycle racing in the United Kingdom‎
 * Category:Climbs in cycle racing in the United States‎
 * Nominator's rationale: Articles such as Grossglockner (a mountain), Mount Etna and La Plagne (a ski resort whose article makes no mention of cycling) don't belong under Category:Cycle racing.  See previous discussions e.g. re mountain biking and re places on trails.  I propose removing the cycle racing cat tag from all the articles that aren't specifically about cycle racing.  For many (possibly all) of these categories this would leave the category empty and it could then be deleted. For any categories that are not completely emptied a note should be put in the category text referring to this CFD.  Of course, if people prefer straight deletion of these categories I'd be happy with that as well. DexDor(talk) 21:02, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment, I can't tell for other countries but most of these climbs in the Netherlands and Flanders are solely notable because of their history in cycling. So oppose straight deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:49, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Where would you draw the line? for example, an article like Vaalserberg (the lede doesn't mention cycling). What about, for example, Kemmelberg - the article mentions cycling, but it also mentions Celtic tribes, WW1, chemical warfare, NATO...? Why should it be categorized for cycling but not for other activities that have taken place there? DexDor(talk) 22:04, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The Vaalserberg should definitely be purged (which makes me realize that the Dutch category will become awfully small). The Kemmelberg is notable for multiple things, that may happen. Possibly (if nothing in the other countries will survive) we may collapse the Dutch and Belgian category into Category:Climbs of the classic cycle races. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 26 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment I think a purge is the best answer here. Some of these places are defined by bike racing (Alpe d'Huez, Col du Galibier, Mont Ventoux, etc), some are simply part of a race-route.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:00, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Lugnuts, What about articles such as Puy de Dôme and Pra-Loup? I'm trying to understand where you think the line should be drawn between the articles you listed (about places that may be best known, especially outside France, for cycle racing) and (at the other extreme) articles that don't even mention cycling. If we're categorizing some articles that are about places (e.g. mountains) under cycle racing (or mountain biking, paragliding, hiking ...) (as well as categorizing as a place) then we need a rule to decide whether an article belongs in the activity category or not. The simplest rule (that is compatible with DEFINING) would be to categorize under cycle racing only if the article is specifically about cycle racing (e.g. an article about a race, about a velodrome or about cycle racing at a particular location). DexDor(talk) 20:18, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That is a serious concern. A criterion could be that a climb must have been part of an important cycle race during most years of a long period - which basically limits the topic to the classic cycle races. Mountain passes and ski resorts would drop out because multiple stage races like the Tour de France have a completely different course every year. For example Alpe d'Huez has been part of the Tour on average only once every 5 years and that is probably more frequent than any other climb in the Tour. Just keeping Category:Climbs of the classic cycle races was not a bad idea at all if I may say so. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:07, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would fit under Category:Classic cycle races - although it should be noted that "there is no clear consensus about what constitutes a classic cycling race.". If such a category was created and populated would you then support purging/deleting the categories in this CFD?
 * Re Alpe d'Huez etc I don't think that being best known (worldwide) for cycling (if it is) necessarily means that they belong in a cycling category - for example, places that are best known (outside the immediate vicinity) for an event (e.g. a crime or accident) that happened there aren't usually categorized for it. DexDor(talk) 07:42, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm supporting merging the Dutch and Belgian category to Category:Climbs of the classic cycle races, allowing e.g. Poggio di San Remo and Madonna del Ghisallo to be added manually in that same category and delete all of the remainder. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:45, 27 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Listify to List of climbs in cycle racing. As a general rule, we do/should not categorize places by the things that happen in or near them, as that way lies trivial overcategorization. Categorizing a mountain as a "climb in cycle racing" is equivalent to placing Denver in Category:Stops on cross-country road trips. Each of these places is something (a mountain, a mountain pass, a hill, a road/street, a resort, etc.), but only a handful of articles are actually about climbs in cycle racing (e.g. Côte de La Redoute). -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:48, 26 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Listify to List of climbs in cycle racing per Black Falcon. Reyk YO! 08:52, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I've created Draft:List of climbs in cycle racing. DexDor(talk) 17:24, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Romanian Orthodoxy

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 21:25, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting romanian orthodoxy


 * Nominator's rationale: delete for now, in the first place there is no fundamental objection against this category, since we also have Category:Greek Orthodoxy and Category:Russian Orthodoxy. However, the difference is that the latter two categories have a well-populated tree due to much additional content e.g. in the United States. The Romanian category does not have any similar additional content and so, for the time being, it adds nothing to Category:Romanian Orthodox Church. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:55, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Lists of neighborhoods in Mexico City

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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge. Timrollpickering (Talk) 14:22, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lists of neighborhoods in mexico city


 * Nominator's rationale: Category has just one entry. Upmerge? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:24, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to Category:Mexico City-related lists. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:27, 7 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Newspapers of New England

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Newspapers published by Newspapers of New England, Inc.. Timrollpickering (Talk) 14:46, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Newspapers of New England to Category:Newspapers published by Newspapers of New England
 * Nominator's rationale: Ambiguity problem. This is a category for newspapers owned by a specific publishing company whose name is Newspapers of New England -- but because the company's name looks exactly like the way we would name a geographic category, it has an unfortunate tendency to collect newspapers published in the New England region but not owned by this company. There isn't a clearcut naming convention among its sibling categories in, but I'm not convinced that the most common forms, "Newspapers of New England publications" or "Newspapers of New England newspapers", would adequately resolve the ambiguity here, so I'm proposing the "Newspapers published by (company)" format (which is mirrored by at least one sibling) in this instance. I would also request that the current category name not be retained as a redirect to the new one -- since a bot automatically moves articles that are misfiled in a category redirect to the target category, any erroneous misuse of this category name after the move would just repollute the new category and defeat the purpose of renaming it. Bearcat (talk) 17:30, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. The current title is too ambiguous. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 17:54, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I created this category and many of the pages that inhabit it. On second glance, after all these years, I agree with Bearcat's concerns about ambiguity. My only concern with this proposal is that it could end up being too restrictive if future pages related to this company are added in the future. For instance, what if an article were written about the company's CEO, or a prominent journalist (e.g. if one of their reporters becomes notable by winning a Pulitzer) ... or what if the company were to acquire a television or radio station, or a website meeting our standards of notability. We would want to include those pages in the category as well, even though they are not "newspapers published by NNE," rather than starting a new category ("people of NNE" or "television stations owned by NNE"). I am no expert (obviously) on the category naming conventions. Would it be possible to change it to ? ``` t b w i l l i e ` $1.25 ` 21:05, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If we get into that situation, we would most likely want to keep the new content categorized separately from the papers — such as in "television stations owned by NNE", "NNE people", etc. So what you propose might become necessary down the line as a parent category for the newspapers category, but it's not the best immediate solution to a category for the newspapers themselves. Bearcat (talk) 22:08, 28 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Newspapers published by Newspapers of New England, Inc.. I have moved the main article to help address the ambiguity (believeing that this benefit outweighs the normal WP:AT preference to exclude "Inc.") UnitedStatesian (talk) 23:53, 28 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:10,000 Maniacs media

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 21:27, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:10,000 Maniacs media to Category:10,000 Maniacs
 * Nominator's rationale: No scheme for "Media by artist", and not needed for what would amount to 2 subcats in most cases such as this one. Larger eponymous categories (e.g. Category:Rihanna) tend to have album cover and audio sample categories placed in them as well so upmerging is the simplest option. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 16:48, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Support There's no real prospect of video or 3-D models being hosted here so there's no reason for the division. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:14, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Medical buildings in Sri Lanka by district

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 21:28, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Medical buildings in Sri Lanka by district to Category:Medical buildings in Sri Lanka
 * Nominator's rationale: Not enough Medical buildings to populate district subcategories. Only one entry in 10 of the 12 sub categories, and they are all catered for by Category:Hospitals in Sri Lanka by district Rathfelder (talk) 16:13, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Please combine the nominations so that we can have one discussion instead of a repetition of identical discussions. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:28, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * They aren't identical. Districts go to different provinces. Rathfelder (talk) 19:31, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. In combination with the nomination below this will lead to plain deletion of this category, if I'm correct. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:27, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Medical buildings in Mullaitivu District

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 21:28, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Medical buildings in Mullaitivu District to Category:Medical buildings in Northern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Propose merging Category:Medical buildings in Mannar District to Category:Medical buildings in Northern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Propose merging Category:Medical buildings in Vavuniya District to Category:Medical buildings in Northern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Propose merging Category:Medical buildings in Kilinochchi District to Category:Medical buildings in Northern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Propose merging Category:Medical buildings in Jaffna District to Category:Medical buildings in Northern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Propose merging Category:Medical buildings in Kalutara District to Category:Medical buildings in Western Province, Sri Lanka
 * Propose merging Category:Medical buildings in Gampaha District to Category:Medical buildings in Western Province, Sri Lanka
 * Propose merging Category:Medical buildings in Galle District to Category:Medical buildings in Southern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Propose merging Category:Medical buildings in Colombo District to Category:Medical buildings in Eastern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Propose merging Category:Medical buildings in Trincomalee District to Category:Medical buildings in Eastern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Propose merging Category:Medical buildings in Batticaloa District to Category:Medical buildings in Eastern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Propose merging Category:Medical buildings in Ampara District to Category:Medical buildings in Eastern Province, Sri Lanka
 * Propose merging Category:Medical buildings in Kandy District to Category:Medical buildings in Central Province, Sri Lanka
 * Nominator's rationale: Not enough medical buildings to populate District subcategories. These categories all have no more than 2 entries, in each case a category of hospitals in the district.  No actual articles. Rathfelder (talk) 16:05, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment - I think we can go further. There is no overall Category:Medical buildings and no other countries seem to have such categories. Moreover all the medical buildings are hospitals. So this structure adds nothing. (That is Category:Medical buildings in Central Province, Sri Lanka is a complicated way of representing Category:Hospitals in Central Province, Sri Lanka.) Oculi (talk) 20:17, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, and agree with Oculi that the real problem here is in the medical buildings entirely overlapping with hospitals. If I'm correct, this nomination actually leads to plain deletion, because e.g. in the Northern Province all hospitals are already in Category:Hospitals in Northern Province, Sri Lanka‎. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I entirely agree with the suggestions above. "Medical buildings" is not a useful category.  Very rare for anything other than a hospital (and not many of them) to be notable as a building.  Do I need to nominate the other Medical buildings categories?
 * Makes sense, also because there is apparently no other country that has a medical buildings tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:45, 26 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Adobe Systems

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (Talk) 11:19, 16 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Adobe Systems to Category:Adobe Inc.
 * Category:Adobe Systems people to Category:Adobe Inc. people
 * Category:Adobe Systems-related templates to Category:Adobe Inc.-related templates
 * Nominator's rationale: Contested WP:C2D speedy: Company changed its name and now article is at Adobe Inc.. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:47, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose only because "Adobe Inc." is really daft name for the article and just makes the categories look stupid by including "Inc.", the company is name is actually "Adobe" but that is not for here. MilborneOne (talk) 11:25, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * When the unqualified name has multiple meanings we normally follow the article name, as in Category:Apple Inc. and Category:Palm, Inc., even if people say WP:IDONTLIKEIT about the article name. UnitedStatesian (talk) 12:42, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - Adobe is something else. Perhaps the daftness of the name should be brought to the attention of the company. In the meantime, rename per nom and per the article name. Oculi (talk) 10:28, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support The main article of the category is Adobe Inc.. Armbrust The Homunculus 12:40, 13 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Eastern Orthodoxy

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename Category:Eastern Orthodox Church organisation to Category:Eastern Orthodox Church. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 17:16, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Eastern Orthodoxy to Category:Eastern Orthodox Church
 * ALT Propose renaming Category:Eastern Orthodox Church organisation to Category:Eastern Orthodox Church added later
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D: Eastern Orthodox Church. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:52, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose but, Eastern Orthodoxy is more than just the church, but instead we may well rename Category:Eastern Orthodox Church organisation to simply Category:Eastern Orthodox Church. Organisation (including rules, staff etc.) is the main aspect of a church within a religion. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:27, 25 November 2018 (UTC) = ALT
 * Support ALT per . Chicbyaccident (talk) 15:09, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Query is the nom striking his first nomination then? Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:48, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. Chicbyaccident (talk) 14:20, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support ALT Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:36, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Eastern Orthodox Christian communities
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 * The result of the discussion was: Kept. Timrollpickering (Talk) 14:19, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Eastern Orthodox Christian communities to Category:Eastern Orthodox Christians
 * Nominator's rationale: Implying an archaic collectivist taxonomy disregarding individuals that is simply not due on Wikipedia. Better merge with the holder category for individuals. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:44, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep - these are not individuals. Kafr Kanna for instance is a town, not a Christian. Oculi (talk) 14:26, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Initially keep per Oculi. However at first glance it seems in Lebanon the villages and towns of this category mostly consist of a Christian population (i.e. a mix of Maronite Catholic and Eastern Orthodox people) rather than an exclusive Eastern Orthodox population, so it may be worthwhile to dig into this a bit further. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:38, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * How can you two say that these are not individuals? Individuals, that is, who make up any sort of exceptional personal lifestyles, descisions, views, how can you simply disregard these? Millet (Ottoman Empire) system was dropped a century ago. Isn't 21st century applicable here? Chicbyaccident (talk) 20:24, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Have you not checked the articles in this category? They are about villages and towns, they are not biographies. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:04, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, but still the same issue. How 21st century is it to call a village or town "Christian" from an encyclopedical category viewpoint? Wouldn't such generalisations best be explained in article content? Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:26, 7 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose as nom. The content of this category is for populated places associated with a distinct ethno-religious group, as is frequently the case in some areas. In the case of this category, mostly Present-day Lebanon, Israel, Palestine and Syria are definitely regions where this ethno-religious classification of villages makes sense. In any case, if you object to this categorization of ethno-religious communities, the entire Category:Christian communities, and maybe Category:Communities by religion should be nominated. At the very least, the many subcategories about villages should be nominated. Place Clichy (talk) 17:25, 18 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Eastern Orthodox church bodies
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Eastern Orthodox Church bodies and purge non-canonical/independent church bodies to Category:Eastern Orthodoxy (or an appropriate subcategory). I will list this at WP:CFD/W/M for processing; however, any assistance from the discussion's participants would be appreciated. -- Black Falcon (talk) 23:36, 25 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Eastern Orthodox church bodies to Category:Eastern Orthodox denominations
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C, as seen in Category:Christian denominations by denominational family. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:34, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose, this category simply does not belong in Category:Christian denominations by denominational family. The Eastern Orthodox Church is one church/one denomination, just like the Catholic Church. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:40, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile I realize that the category mixes up bodies of the Eastern Orthodox Church and Eastern Orthodox noncanonical/independent churches. Therefore ALT rename to Category:Eastern Orthodox Church bodies (with capital C) and move the noncanonical/independent churches to Category:Eastern Orthodoxy. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:05, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Rather, doesn't it seems like we need a Category:Independent Eastern Orthodox denominations? Doesn't that provide the solution to the original problem that you addressed? Chicbyaccident (talk) 15:08, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes we do need Category:Independent Eastern Orthodox denominations, but those shouldn't be mixed up with bodies of the Eastern Orthodox Church. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:17, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree. Chicbyaccident (talk) 15:19, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose The EO Church is one. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:45, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you have an opinion about the alternative? Marcocapelle (talk) 23:17, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Can support the ALT as a temporary measure. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:35, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support ALT as best proposed name so far. Chicbyaccident (talk) 20:21, 6 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Strong Oppose. Denomination is a horrible term to use when talking about Orthodoxy (or Catholicism for that matter). It is clearly an Americanism, and adopts a Protestant, congregationalist POV. The Orthodox are organised in church bodies, not denominations. Place Clichy (talk) 17:25, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Americanism, really? Isn't it the most WP:NPOV broadscale verbiage? C.f. Christian denomination. Preexisting article titles and categories seem to favour it. Chicbyaccident (talk) 12:34, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you have an opinion about the alternative rename? Marcocapelle (talk) 11:59, 23 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Eastern Orthodox noncanonical church bodies
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 21:29, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Eastern Orthodox noncanonical church bodies to Category:Independent Eastern Orthodox denominations
 * Nominator's rationale: Essentially identical enough scope. Better keep it simple. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:32, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Support merging per nom. Discussion about the best name for the merged category can be done in the discussion below. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:44, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Query Are they still Eastern Orthodox? Or are they Former Eastern Orthodox? Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:43, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Similar to independent Catholics (who are Catholic but not part of the Catholic Church) these are Eastern Orthodox but not part of the Eastern Orthodox Church. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:19, 28 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per nom as as temporary holding measure pending a fuller discussion. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:34, 29 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Eastern Orthodox independent churches
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:02, 26 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Eastern Orthodox independent churches to Category:Independent Eastern Orthodox denominations
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C: per formula of Category:Independent Catholic denominations. Both formulera and broader, expansive terminology for the very same reasons as compared category. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:20, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment, both terms, churches and denominations, are being used. Personally I like churches better, but that is not a good argument to oppose. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:49, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Query Are they still Eastern Orthodox? Or are they Former Eastern Orthodox? Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:41, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * They are "Independent Eastern Orthodox", right? Chicbyaccident (talk) 14:21, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * No, they're both "independent", and "Eastern Orthodox". Place Clichy (talk) 17:25, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, the movements currently in Category:Independent Eastern Orthodox denominations seem to be bodies that split from a mainstream Eastern Orthodox Church, over issues such as national independence or tradition (e.g. observance of the Julian vs. Gregorian calendar), but that are widely recognised as belonging to Eastern Orthodoxy at large, while the movements in Category:Eastern Orthodox independent churches, although originating in Orthodoxy, and most often Russian Orthodoxy, have spiritual differences of a larger scale, e.g. the sectarian movements of the Molokans, Doukhobors etc. A famous case is the Old Believers, who descend from Russian Orthodoxy as it was before 17th-century reforms. But you can't really tell this difference from current category names, so merger is fine. Place Clichy (talk) 17:25, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, I had not noticed the above related discussion about renaming Category:Eastern Orthodox noncanonical church bodies to Category:Independent Eastern Orthodox denominations, which was apparently on 4 December following CFDS... It may be OK to boldly submit renaming proposals to CFDS, and they sometimes get through, but seen the mess creates I suggest to come back to a more logical structure: a mother Category:Eastern Orthodox church bodies with subcategories Category:Eastern Orthodox canonical church bodies and Category:Eastern Orthodox noncanonical church bodies. Place Clichy (talk) 17:51, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Category:Eastern Orthodox noncanonical church bodies would be confusing. They aren't bodies of the Eastern Orthodox Church, they are separate churches in the orthodox tradition. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:10, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * There is no such thing as the "Eastern Orthodox Church", at least no single organisation can claim this name. Members of this category are church bodies, they are noncanonical, and they are Eastern Orthodox rather than "in the Orthodox tradition" as you put it, so the title I suggested to revert to is, IMHO, not confusing at all. Especially since it has stood unchallenged for years. Many Churches have been noncanonical at some point of their history, while remaining undoubtedly (Eastern) Orthodox. The present-day Russian Orthodox Church broke ties with its parent in Constantinople in 1448, and was only recognised in 1583, the Bulgarian Exarchate self-proclaimed independence in 1872 and was noncanonical until becoming the recognized Bulgarian Orthodox Church in 1953, and most recently, out of all the national schisms that appeared in the wave of post-Soviet national break-ups, the most notable noncanonical organization, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church – Kiev Patriarchate, just saw its clergy and hierarchy recognized as canonical again and part of the reborn Orthodox Church of Ukraine, on 15 December 2018. Also, the major and most notable church bodies of Orthodoxy, the Russian Orthodox Church and the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, now consider the other to be noncanonical since September 2018 (see the POV-laden article on the 2018 Moscow–Constantinople schism). Place Clichy (talk) 18:36, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose Actually I'm more inclined to rename Category:Independent Catholic denominations to Category:Catholic independent churches. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:32, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * In that case you might want to start with an RM on the article name. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:48, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * True. The current cat name is still better than the proposed target though. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:49, 2 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Reverse merge. Churches or church bodies is preferable to denomination in the Orthodox context (or in Catholicism for that matter). Denomination is clearly an Americanism, and adopts a Protestant, congregationalist POV. The Orthodox are organised in church bodies, not denominations. Place Clichy (talk) 17:25, 18 December 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Titular Sees of the Coptic Orthodox Church
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 21:30, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Titular Sees of the Coptic Orthodox Church to Category:Titular sees of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C: Category:Titular sees in Africa, Category:Titular sees. WP:C2D: Titular see. Pertaining to the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:18, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:53, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Timelines of Christian history
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 21:30, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Timelines of Christian history to Category:Timelines of Christianity
 * Nominator's rationale: Per main article Timeline of Christianity, but most importantly the scope. This is more than just the history of Christianity or Christian history, this is - timelines of Christianity, plain and simple. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:12, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, and also because the word 'history' is redundant: timelines already imply that it is about history. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:54, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per nom & Marco. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:39, 28 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Aliases of 76.66
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 * The result of the discussion was: Symbol move vote.svg Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 December 16, in order to solicit input from the WikiProject. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:11, 16 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Convert Category:Aliases of 76.66 to article Aliases of 76.66
 * Nominator's rationale: I don't see how this topic is relevant to the whole AfC project. Might be better off as a historical page in the project namespace. <u style="font:1.1em/1em Arial Black"><u style="color:#7f2ed1">Flooded <u style="color:#bfa6d8"> with them <u style="color:#7f2ed1">hundreds  08:01, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete Outdated - we don't need to convert this or retain this information. Pkbwcgs (talk) 16:34, 26 November 2018 (UTC)


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Christianity per city
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 21:32, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Abu Dhabi to Category:Christianity in the United Arab Emirates and Category:Religion in Abu Dhabi
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Aleppo to Category:Christianity in Syria and Category:Religion in Aleppo
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Amsterdam to Category:Christianity in the Netherlands and Category:Religion in Amsterdam
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Ankara to Category:Christianity in Turkey and Category:Religion in Ankara
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Austin, Texas to Category:Christianity in Texas and Category:Religion in Austin, Texas

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 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Beijing to Category:Christianity in China and Category:Religion in Beijing
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Birmingham, Alabama to Category:Christianity in Alabama and Category:Religion in Birmingham, Alabama
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Charlotte, North Carolina to Category:Christianity in North Carolina and Category:Culture of Charlotte, North Carolina
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Dubai to Category:Christianity in the United Arab Emirates and Category:Religion in Dubai
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Gaborone to Category:Christianity in Botswana and Category:Religion in Gaborone
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Galveston, Texas to Category:Christianity in Texas and Category:Religion in Galveston, Texas
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Harbin to Category:Christianity in Heilongjiang and Category:Religion in Harbin
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Hyderabad, India to Category:Christianity in India and Category:Religion in Hyderabad, India
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Kansas City, Missouri to Category:Christianity in Missouri and Category:Religion in Kansas City, Missouri
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Karachi to Category:Christianity in Pakistan and Category:Religion in Karachi
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Knoxville, Tennessee to Category:Christianity in Tennessee and Category:Religion in Knoxville, Tennessee
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Liverpool to Category:Christianity in England and Category:Religion in Liverpool
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Mainz to Category:Christianity in Rhineland-Palatinate and Category:Religion in Mainz
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Memphis, Tennessee to Category:Christianity in Tennessee and Category:Religion in Memphis, Tennessee
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Nashville, Tennessee to Category:Christianity in Tennessee and Category:Religion in Nashville, Tennessee
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Seattle to Category:Christianity in Washington (state) and Category:Religion in Seattle
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Seoul to Category:Christianity in South Korea and Category:Religion in Seoul
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Venice to Category:Christianity in Italy and Category:Culture in Venice
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity in Venice to Category:Christianity in Italy and Category:Culture in Venice


 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, all the above categories contain one subcategory (usually a churches subcategory) and 0, 1 or 2 articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Comment Shouldn't Category:Christianity in the United States by city be included also? What about New York? With 9 sub-cats, it's quite well developed. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:24, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That is definitely not the intention of this nomination. Just the small categories have been nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:00, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 * If small is the rationale then OK. What about Amsterdam - it has plenty of potential to grow? Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:36, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Then you have probably never been to Amsterdam :-). Seriously, even on Dutch WP Amsterdam does not have a Christianity category. It is not the seat of any bishop and it also has no particular ties to Protestantism. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:29, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Last time I was there I saw lots of churches, including one in an attic!. But I'll bow to local knowledge. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:44, 1 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge all these - and the later nominations. All too small to be useful. And many misleading. An article about a church or temple in a city doesnt tell us much about religion in the city.Rathfelder (talk) 15:28, 2 December 2018 (UTC)


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