Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 November 3



Creationists by religion

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename/split as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:41, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Islamic creationists to Category:Muslim creationists
 * Propose renaming Category:Indian Islamic creationists to Category:Indian Muslim creationists
 * Propose renaming Category:Palestinian Islamic creationists to Category:Palestinian Muslim creationists
 * Propose renaming Category:Turkish Islamic creationists to Category:Turkish Muslim creationists
 * Propose splitting Category:American creationists to Category:American creationists and Category:American Christian creationists
 * Propose splitting Category:British creationists to Category:British creationists and Category:British Christian creationists
 * Nominator's rationale: (i) "Muslim" rather than "Islamic" is the usual adjective for persons. (ii) The Muslim creationists have proper sub-cats by nationality. However, Category:American creationists and Category:British creationists have been placed by directly under Category:Christian creationists, and the same editor then moved some biography pages out of Category:Christian creationists because they were categorised as e.g. Category:20th-century British creationists; this is currently accurate in practice, but wrong in principle, as there could be e.g. some notable British Muslim creationists. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:13, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Note: I have combined these proposals in one nomination, so that editors could easily propose a coherent alternative, e.g. to reject the three-way intersections of religion, nationality and creationist view, and upmerge the existing intersection categories. In that scenario, I suggest that the American & British should still be separated from the Christian hierarchy, and the latter repopulated.
 * Please also consider whether it would be useful to create intersection categories by religion & century, e.g. Category:20th-century Christian creationists. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:13, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. In addition there is not much merit in subcategorizing by century because creationism is a modern term anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:26, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Also support upmerge of the three small Muslim creationist by nationality categories to Category:Muslim creationists, per Peterkingiron below. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * in that case you probably don't support the "splitting" part of the nom, but only the renaming of the first one? – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support all, i.e. primarily split by religion and secondarily split by British and American nationality since there is enough content for these nationalities. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:36, 7 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge all the Muslim categories to Category:Muslim creationists, adding a national category where necessary. There are no enough articles to need splitting.  I was surprised to find the British and American categories had been split by century.  The century categories are potentially large enough to keep, but the unsplit parent would not be so large that it needed splitting.  I doubt we are going to get many non-Christian British or American creationists, so that I do not see the point in adding "Christian".  This is unnecessary fragmentation of categories.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:46, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


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Organisation to organization

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:43, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Agricultural organisations based in Indonesia etc to use organization.
 * Nominator's rationale: Recent consensus. The view at the recent cfd for Sweden was that 'organisation' should only be used when there is a strong national reason to do so. In all those listed here, the country category already uses 'z' and there appears to be no 'strong national reason' to deviate in the subcategories. Moreover Category:Organizations by subject uses 'z' in nearly all cases, so the categories listed are nearly all intersections of trees which use 'z'. (Indonesia, Japan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Laos, Libya, Lithuania, Mexico, Mongolia, Morocco, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Panama, Honduras, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Czech Republic, Uruguay, Venezuela.) Oculi (talk) 09:59, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Category:Agricultural organisations based in Indonesia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Agricultural organizations based in Indonesia – per Category:Organizations based in Indonesia.
 * Category:Cultural organisations based in Indonesia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Cultural organizations based in Indonesia
 * Category:Disability organisations based in Indonesia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Disability organizations based in Indonesia
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in Indonesia to Category:Lists of organizations based in Indonesia
 * Category:Music organisations based in Indonesia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Music organizations based in Indonesia
 * Category:Organisations based in Indonesia by subject to Category:Organizations based in Indonesia by subject
 * Category:Political organisations of Indonesia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Political organizations of Indonesia
 * Category:Scientific organisations based in Indonesia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Scientific organizations based in Indonesia
 * Category:Skeptic organisations based in Indonesia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Skeptic organizations based in Indonesia
 * Category:Sports organisations of Indonesia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Sports organizations of Indonesia
 * Category:Organisations based in West Java (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Organizations based in West Java


 * Category:Agricultural organisations based in Japan (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Agricultural organizations based in Japan – per Category:Organizations based in Japan.
 * Category:Animal welfare organisations based in Japan (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Animal welfare organizations based in Japan
 * Category:Business organisations based in Japan (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Business organizations based in Japan
 * Category:Child-related organisations in Japan (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Child-related organizations in Japan
 * Category:Horse racing organisations in Japan to Category:Horse racing organizations in Japan
 * Category:International organisations based in Japan to Category:International organizations based in Japan
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in Japan to Category:Lists of organizations based in Japan
 * Category:Non-profit organisations based in Japan to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Japan
 * Category:Sports organisations of Japan to Category:Sports organizations of Japan
 * Category:Organisations based in Aichi Prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Aichi Prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Chiba Prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Chiba Prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Ehime prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Ehime prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Fukui prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Fukui prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Fukuoka Prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Fukuoka Prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Gunma prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Gunma prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Hiroshima prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Hiroshima prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Hokkaido to Category:Organizations based in Hokkaido
 * Category:Organisations based in Hyōgo Prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Hyōgo Prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Ibaraki Prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Ibaraki Prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Ishikawa prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Ishikawa prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Kagawa prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Kagawa prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Kagoshima Prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Kagoshima Prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Kanagawa Prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Kanagawa Prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Kobe to Category:Organizations based in Kobe
 * Category:Organisations based in Kyoto Prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Kyoto Prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Miyagi Prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Miyagi Prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Miyazaki Prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Miyazaki Prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Nagasaki Prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Nagasaki Prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Nagoya to Category:Organizations based in Nagoya
 * Category:Organisations based in Niigata prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Niigata prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Okayama prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Okayama prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Okinawa prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Okinawa prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Osaka to Category:Organizations based in Osaka
 * Category:Organisations based in Osaka Prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Osaka Prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Saga prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Saga prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Saitama Prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Saitama Prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Sapporo to Category:Organizations based in Sapporo
 * Category:Organisations based in Sendai to Category:Organizations based in Sendai
 * Category:Organisations based in Shizuoka Prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Shizuoka Prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Tochigi Prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Tochigi Prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Tokushima prefecture to Category:Organizations based in Tokushima prefecture
 * Category:Organisations based in Yokohama to Category:Organizations based in Yokohama
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in Kazakhstan to Category:Lists of organizations based in Kazakhstan – per Category:Organizations based in Kazakhstan.
 * Category:Medical and health organisations in Kazakhstan (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Medical and health organizations in Kazakhstan
 * Category:Music organisations based in Kazakhstan (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Music organizations based in Kazakhstan
 * Category:Non-profit organisations based in Kazakhstan to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Kazakhstan
 * Category:Sports organisations of Kazakhstan to Category:Sports organizations of Kazakhstan
 * Category:Transport organisations in Kazakhstan (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Transport organizations in Kazakhstan
 * Category:Women's organisations based in Kazakhstan to Category:Women's organizations based in Kazakhstan
 * Category:Environmental organisations based in Kuwait to Category:Environmental organizations based in Kuwait – per Category:Organizations based in Kuwait.
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in Kuwait to Category:Lists of organizations based in Kuwait
 * Category:Medical and health organisations based in Kuwait (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Medical and health organizations based in Kuwait
 * Category:Religious organisations based in Kuwait (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Religious organizations based in Kuwait
 * Category:Sports organisations of Kuwait to Category:Sports organizations of Kuwait
 * Category:Transport organisations in Kuwait (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Transport organizations in Kuwait
 * Category:International organisations based in Laos (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:International organizations based in Laos – per Category:Organizations based in Laos.
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in Laos to Category:Lists of organizations based in Laos
 * Category:Medical and health organisations in Laos (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Medical and health organizations in Laos
 * Category:Sports organisations of Laos to Category:Sports organizations of Laos
 * Category:Transport organisations based in Laos (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Transport organizations based in Laos
 * Category:Women's organisations based in Laos to Category:Women's organizations based in Laos
 * Category:Educational organisations in Libya (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Educational organizations in Libya – per Category:Organizations based in Libya.
 * Category:International organisations based in Libya (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:International organizations based in Libya
 * Category:Islamic organisations based in Libya (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Islamic organizations based in Libya
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in Libya to Category:Lists of organizations based in Libya
 * Category:Medical and health organisations in Libya (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Medical and health organizations in Libya
 * Category:Women's organisations based in Libya to Category:Women's organizations based in Libya
 * Category:Youth organisations based in Libya to Category:Youth organizations based in Libya
 * Category:Agricultural organisations based in Lithuania (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Agricultural organizations based in Lithuania – per Category:Organizations based in Lithuania.
 * Category:Business organisations based in Lithuania (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Business organizations based in Lithuania
 * Category:Communications and media organisations based in Lithuania to Category:Communications and media organizations based in Lithuania
 * Category:Disability organisations based in Lithuania (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Disability organizations based in Lithuania
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in Lithuania to Category:Lists of organizations based in Lithuania
 * Category:Lithuanian writers' organisations (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Lithuanian writers' organizations
 * Category:Medical and health organisations in Lithuania (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Medical and health organizations in Lithuania
 * Category:Music organisations based in Lithuania (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Music organizations based in Lithuania
 * Category:Non-profit organisations based in Lithuania to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Lithuania
 * Category:Organisations based in Lithuania by city to Category:Organizations based in Lithuania by city
 * Category:Student organisations in Lithuania to Category:Student organizations in Lithuania
 * Category:Women's organisations based in Lithuania to Category:Women's organizations based in Lithuania
 * Category:Organisations based in Alytus to Category:Organizations based in Alytus
 * Category:Organisations based in Elektrėnai to Category:Organizations based in Elektrėnai
 * Category:Organisations based in Jonava to Category:Organizations based in Jonava
 * Category:Organisations based in Kaunas to Category:Organizations based in Kaunas
 * Category:Organisations based in Kėdainiai to Category:Organizations based in Kėdainiai
 * Category:Organisations based in Klaipėda to Category:Organizations based in Klaipėda
 * Category:Organisations based in Mažeikiai to Category:Organizations based in Mažeikiai
 * Category:Organisations based in Panevėžys to Category:Organizations based in Panevėžys
 * Category:Organisations based in Šiauliai to Category:Organizations based in Šiauliai
 * Category:Organisations based in Utena to Category:Organizations based in Utena
 * Category:Organisations based in Vilnius to Category:Organizations based in Vilnius
 * Category:Agricultural organisations based in Mexico (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Agricultural organizations based in Mexico – per Category:Organizations based in Mexico.
 * Category:Animal welfare organisations based in Mexico (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Animal welfare organizations based in Mexico
 * Category:Business organisations based in Mexico (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Business organizations based in Mexico
 * Category:Child-related organisations in Mexico (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Child-related organizations in Mexico
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in Mexico to Category:Lists of organizations based in Mexico
 * Category:Music organisations based in Mexico (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Music organizations based in Mexico
 * Category:Organisations based in Mexico by subject to Category:Organizations based in Mexico by subject
 * Category:Trotskyist organisations in Mexico to Category:Trotskyist organizations in Mexico
 * Category:Women's organisations based in Mexico to Category:Women's organizations based in Mexico
 * Category:Animal welfare organisations based in Mongolia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Animal welfare organizations based in Mongolia – per Category:Organizations based in Mongolia.
 * Category:Business organisations based in Mongolia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Business organizations based in Mongolia
 * Category:Medical and health organisations in Mongolia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Medical and health organizations in Mongolia
 * Category:Music organisations based in Mongolia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Music organizations based in Mongolia
 * Category:Political organisations based in Mongolia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Political organizations based in Mongolia
 * Category:Sports organisations of Mongolia to Category:Sports organizations of Mongolia
 * Category:Cultural organisations in Morocco (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Cultural organizations in Morocco – per Category:Organizations based in Morocco.
 * Category:LGBT organisations in Morocco to Category:LGBT organizations in Morocco
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in Morocco to Category:Lists of organizations based in Morocco
 * Category:Medical and health organisations in Morocco (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Medical and health organizations in Morocco
 * Category:Non-profit organisations based in Morocco to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Morocco
 * Category:Political organisations in Morocco to Category:Political organizations in Morocco
 * Category:Women's organisations based in Morocco to Category:Women's organizations based in Morocco
 * Category:Cultural organisations based in Romania (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Cultural organizations based in Romania – per Category:Organizations based in Romania.
 * Category:Educational organisations in Romania (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Educational organizations in Romania
 * Category:Human rights organisations based in Romania (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Human rights organizations based in Romania
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in Romania to Category:Lists of organizations based in Romania
 * Category:Music organisations based in Romania (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Music organizations based in Romania
 * Category:Political organisations based in Romania to Category:Political organizations based in Romania
 * Category:Romanian writers' organisations (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Romanian writers' organizations
 * Category:Scientific organisations based in Romania (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Scientific organizations based in Romania
 * Category:Skeptic organisations in Romania (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Skeptic organizations in Romania
 * Category:Sports organisations of Romania to Category:Sports organizations of Romania
 * Category:Student organisations in Romania to Category:Student organizations in Romania
 * Category:Women's organisations based in Romania to Category:Women's organizations based in Romania
 * Category:Agricultural organisations based in Russia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Agricultural organizations based in Russia – per Category:Organizations based in Russia.
 * Category:Animal welfare organisations based in Russia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Animal welfare organizations based in Russia
 * Category:Business organisations based in Russia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Business organizations based in Russia
 * Category:Educational organisations in Russia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Educational organizations in Russia
 * Category:Environmental organisations based in Russia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Environmental organizations based in Russia
 * Category:International organisations based in Russia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:International organizations based in Russia
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in Russia to Category:Lists of organizations based in Russia
 * Category:Skeptic organisations in Russia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Skeptic organizations in Russia
 * Category:Women's organisations based in Russia to Category:Women's organizations based in Russia
 * Category:Animal welfare organisations based in Serbia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Animal welfare organizations based in Serbia – per Category:Organizations based in Serbia.
 * Category:Child-related organisations in Serbia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Child-related organizations in Serbia
 * Category:Government organisations of Serbia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Government organizations of Serbia
 * Category:International organisations based in Serbia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:International organizations based in Serbia
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in Serbia to Category:Lists of organizations based in Serbia
 * Category:Medical and health organisations in Serbia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Medical and health organizations in Serbia
 * Category:Music organisations based in Serbia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Music organizations based in Serbia
 * Category:Non-profit organisations based in Serbia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Non-profit organizations based in Serbia
 * Category:Religious organisations in Serbia (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Religious organizations in Serbia
 * Category:Sports organisations of Serbia to Category:Sports organizations of Serbia
 * Category:Student organisations in Serbia to Category:Student organizations in Serbia
 * Category:Women's organisations based in Serbia to Category:Women's organizations based in Serbia
 * Category:Arts organisations based in Serbia to Category:Arts organizations based in Serbia
 * Category:International organisations based in Panama (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:International organizations based in Panama – per Category:Organizations based in Panama.
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in Panama to Category:Lists of organizations based in Panama
 * Category:Medical and health organisations in Panama (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Medical and health organizations in Panama
 * Category:Sports organisations of Panama to Category:Sports organizations of Panama
 * Category:Child-related organisations in Honduras (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Child-related organizations in Honduras –  per Category:Organizations based in Honduras.
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in Honduras to Category:Lists of organizations based in Honduras
 * Category:Medical and health organisations in Honduras (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Medical and health organizations in Honduras
 * Category:Sports organisations of Honduras to Category:Sports organizations of Honduras
 * Category:Youth organisations based in Honduras (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Youth organizations based in Honduras
 * Category:International organisations based in Taiwan (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:International organizations based in Taiwan – per Category:Organizations based in Taiwan.
 * Category:Sports organisations of Taiwan to Category:Sports organizations of Taiwan
 * Category:Women's organisations based in Taiwan to Category:Women's organizations based in Taiwan
 * Category:Music organisations based in Taiwan (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Music organizations based in Taiwan
 * Category:Organisations based in Hsinchu to Category:Organizations based in Hsinchu
 * Category:Organisations based in Kaohsiung to Category:Organizations based in Kaohsiung
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in Tajikistan to Category:Lists of organizations based in Tajikistan – per Category:Organizations based in Tajikistan.
 * Category:Disability organisations based in Tajikistan (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Disability organizations based in Tajikistan
 * Category:Sports organisations of Tajikistan to Category:Sports organizations of Tajikistan
 * Category:Women's organisations based in Tajikistan to Category:Women's organizations based in Tajikistan
 * Category:Music organisations based in Tajikistan (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Music organizations based in Tajikistan
 * Category:Transport organisations in Tajikistan (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Transport organizations in Tajikistan
 * Category:Medical and health organisations based in the Czech Republic (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Medical and health organizations based in the Czech Republic – per Category:Organizations based in the Czech Republic.
 * Category:Animal welfare organisations based in the Czech Republic (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Animal welfare organizations based in the Czech Republic
 * Category:International organisations based in the Czech Republic (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:International organizations based in the Czech Republic
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in the Czech Republic to Category:Lists of organizations based in the Czech Republic
 * Category:Trotskyist organisations in the Czech Republic to Category:Trotskyist organizations in the Czech Republic
 * Category:Sports organisations of the Czech Republic to Category:Sports organizations of the Czech Republic
 * Category:Cultural organisations in the Czech Republic (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Cultural organizations in the Czech Republic
 * Category:Disability organisations based in the Czech Republic (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Disability organizations based in the Czech Republic
 * Category:Women's organisations based in the Czech Republic to Category:Women's organizations based in the Czech Republic
 * Category:Television organisations in the Czech Republic to Category:Television organizations in the Czech Republic
 * Category:Transport organisations based in the Czech Republic (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Transport organizations based in the Czech Republic
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in Uruguay to Category:Lists of organizations based in Uruguay – per Category:Organizations based in Uruguay.
 * Category:Youth organisations based in Uruguay to Category:Youth organizations based in Uruguay
 * Category:Sports organisations of Uruguay to Category:Sports organizations of Uruguay
 * Category:Women's organisations based in Uruguay to Category:Women's organizations based in Uruguay
 * Category:Paramilitary organisations based in Uruguay (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Paramilitary organizations based in Uruguay
 * Category:Lists of organisations based in Venezuela to Category:Lists of organizations based in Venezuela – per Category:Organizations based in Venezuela.
 * Category:Animal welfare organisations based in Venezuela (created by user:Rathfelder) to Category:Animal welfare organizations based in Venezuela
 * Category:Sports organisations of Venezuela to Category:Sports organizations of Venezuela
 * Category:Women's organisations based in Venezuela to Category:Women's organizations based in Venezuela
 * Category:Television organisations in Venezuela to Category:Television organizations in Venezuela
 * Category:Organisations based in Venezuela by subject to Category:Organizations based in Venezuela by subject


 * [Of the 206 listed here using 'organisations', 84 were created by user:Rathfelder]
 * There is a companion tripartite discussion 'ize' to 'ise' intended merely to remove a few stray 'zee's from 'ess' trees at cfd on 5 Nov. Editors might note WP:ISE and MOS:IZE. Oculi (talk) 12:11, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I appreciate the good intention, but this is the wrong way to go about it. This nom basically seeks a policy change on the long-term stable WP:ENGVAR-derived position to follow the usage of the top-level country cat's creator. I see no broad consensus to do so.
 * AFAICS, there are basically four possible solutions to the curse of the organisations/organizations spelling variation:
 * Standardise on one form for any given country (the status quo)
 * Standardise on one form for any given country, but choose the default on some basis other than choice of first creator (this proposal)
 * Standardise on one form or the other for all categories
 * Leave a free-for-all.
 * Whatever solution is adopted, I think that for every org cat we shoukd create a Category redirect from the other spelling, as I proposed in Jan 2017 at Bots/Requests for approval/BHGbot 3
 * This nomination seems to either a) presuppose that the decision at the Swedish CFD is some sort of precedent for renaming the rest, or b) marks the start of a step-by-stop process to an overall goal which lacks a clear consensus.
 * We need an RFC on this to make the broad decision. I oppose this particular nom not just because of the procedural issue of the salami-slicing, but because it still leaves us with inconsistency in the category types I use most: "Nationalityish Orgtype".  I don't think that displacing the problem helps. -- Brown Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 17:33, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * No change to the usage of s/z in the top-level country cat is being proposed. The Swedish one was following the existing 'z'. If BHG can produce an example I will gladly withdraw it. The intention is to follow "1. Standardise on one form for any given country (the status quo)" I will do the 'organizations to 'organisations' next. I have no wish to depart from "the long-term stable WP:ENGVAR-derived position to follow the usage of the top-level country cat's creator" (which is not enshrined anywhere within category naming policy, unfortunately). Oculi (talk) 20:09, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * sorry, I misunderstood the proposal, but I still oppose. This is just more shuffling with the wider problem of inconsistency and lack of redirects. I think it's time to stop doing this piecemeal, and have an RFC. -- Brown Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 21:18, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't see any problem with the status quo, to which I am merely endeavouring to return. No objection to leaving redirects. Oculi (talk) 21:33, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Support. I might likewise have suggested going about it another way but, now that the work has been put in to make this nomination, "make it so". Note 1: I am a Brit who uses the "s" spelling in my personal writing, but I favour the use of "z" in Wikipedia for predictability. Note 2: This proposal is not global, but covers countries where there is no national usage to justify the current use of "s" in Wikipedia. Note 3: I agree that redirects should be left (as mentioned in my recent essay Category redirects that should be kept). – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:25, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I too am a Brit who used 'z' in the 50s (following the advice of my teachers, who would deduct a mark for 's') and am now equally at ease with either. I would oppose 2, 3 and 4 of BHG's options above. Oculi (talk) 00:09, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I tend to agree with Brown Haired Girl.  I would like this mess sorted out, but I would like a very clear all embracing policy. I dont see that the WP:ENGVAR determines the question, because either spelling in acceptable in British English. The policy says "using vocabulary common to all varieties of English is preferable."  Is there any variation of English where "organization" is not acceptable? I object to a policy which imposes uniformity by country - especially in respect of countries where English is not a native language - at the expense of inconsistency in all the other heirarchies.
 * And speaking as a qualified teacher of English I think Oculi was done wrong to. Rathfelder (talk) 13:00, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * There is no need for a mess. 'z' should be used at the global level ("follow the usage" of ). 's' or 'z' should be used at the local level as already happens ("follow the usage of the top-level country cat's creator"). Editors creating subcats of 'Organizations based in Foo' should use 'z' unless there is a special reason to vary (eg Hong Kong and China). Editors creating subcats of 'Organisations based in Foo' should use 's'. Where is the problem? Anyone unhappy with the particular 's' or 'z' can take the whole country category to cfd. There is IMO no chance of getting 'z' used in UK categories as we are no longer in the 1950s. And less chance of getting 's' in the US. Oculi (talk) 13:29, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the possibility for consistency in the heirarchies (or hierarchies) which use 'z' almost exclusively has been scuppered by a younger version of Rathfelder whose creation of no less than 84 of the above has littered 'organisations' throughout all 'organization' trees, in the gleeful haste of creation. Oculi (talk) 01:20, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Support, consistently having 'z' in non-English speaking countries makes category names more predictable. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:14, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Admittedly the previous argument goes against WP:ENGVAR. Nevertheless the nomination still deserves support as it merely proposes aligning the category names to the top category in each country, wholly in line with WP:ENGVAR and in the spirit of WP:C2C. This should be uncontroversial. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:05, 6 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose this Americanisation of good English -- The "z" spelling is known in British English, because the Americans use it. It is however not the preferred spelling.  Furthermore, I cannot see how a change in Swedish categories can be correct when "organisation" is the Swedish language spelling of the word.  If that CFD has been closed with a change we need to reverse it!  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:53, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The notion that this is Americanisation is a delusion. The 1963 Shorter Oxford Dictionary gives organization as the preferred spelling.  John Locke and George Eliot are quoted as spelling with a z. The current edition makes it plain that both spellings are acceptable. I would oppose any scheme which prioritises consistency in countries over consistency in subjects.  How can that be justified?  Spelling in other languages is completely irrelevent. That is an issue for the Wikipedia in that language. One consistent spelling would have practical benefits.  Anything else is hardly better than the mess we have now.Rathfelder (talk) 17:38, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I left a notification of this discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:20, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - per nom. Some of the opposers seem to not have read his proposal completely. Oculi is not proposing any change to any naming convention, just to fix category names which don't match that same country's country-category name. --Gonnym (talk) 11:58, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * TROUT to anyone who changes the spelling in an existing article to the "other" spelling. We created ENGVAR precisely to avoid these endless arguments.  Unless there is a clear ENGVAR attached to the article topic, our policy is that we keep the spelling from the first major edit.  That means we keep consistency within an article, but allow inconsistency between articles.  Blueboar (talk) 15:11, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose as per Blueboar. Editors could and would argue English spellings all day, were it not for the 'enforced truce' of ENGVAR, based on established first use in the absence of ties to any variety.  Making a mass change to US spelling, through personal preference, even if supported by a majority, is contrary to the spirit of established policy. MapReader (talk) 18:13, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Blueboar and Mapreader as a complete timesink and recipe for dramah. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter (Southwood) (talk): 07:00, 6 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Its a nuisance as an editor to have the two spellings, but unless we can agree on a global change there is nothing to be gained by securing consistency in the country hierarchy as that just creates inconsistency in all the other hierarchies. I doubt whether any users of the encyclopedia care at all, but if we are going for consistency we should go for z.  But so long as inconsistency remains I object to people threatening me with sanctions for being inconsistent.Rathfelder (talk) 10:41, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I see no reason why we should use a spelling that is primarily North American English in articles for non-English-speaking countries. This is English Wikipedia, not American Wikipedia. ENGVAR should stand. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:37, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose, especially over the broken rationale. WP:RETAIN applies in all cases where there are no strong national WP:TIES—none of the countries listed are English-speaking countries, and there is no consensus that Wikipedia prefer -zation to -sation (or any ENGVAR to any other—there is no default ENGVAR). Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:15, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:RETAIN is a sensible policy for articles. I don't see why it should apply to category hierarchies. I realise that there have been precedents for applying it to articles, but none so strong that the MOS has been edited to state that it applies to category hierarchies. We therefore have the freedom here to establish consensus about whether to apply WP:RETAIN. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:25, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It is not true that "ize" is purely American. See Spelling differences: -ise, -ize. I don't see any point in insisting on consistency within country categories when this just leaves inconsistencies in all the other heirarchies.  There are no articles corresponding to most of the affected categories. There is no problem of people misunderstanding because the varied spelling.  I suggest we should be bold and make a clear policy that as far as categories are concerned we follow the policy laid out in ENGVAR:"For an international encyclopaedia, using vocabulary common to all varieties of English is preferable."  There dont appear to be any countries where spelling with a z is unacceptable - it's just more common in some places than others. And my guess is that most people who learn English as a second language learn American English. Standardizing this spelling will save editors time and grief.   If we don't do that my vote would be for a free-for all.  I object to being threatened with sanctions for misspelling organization in respect of a country where English is not spoken.Rathfelder (talk) 08:02, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


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