Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 November 4



Category:Mainline Electric Multiple Units of India

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:33, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Mainline Electric Multiple Units of India to Category:Electric multiple units of India
 * Nominator's rationale: To match naming/capitalization of the other members of Category:Electric multiple units by country. cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 22:10, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:36, 12 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Anemones (6 cats)
 * Propose merging to Category:Animals described in 1817
 * Propose merging to Category:Animals described in 1833
 * Propose merging to Category:Animals described in 1858
 * Propose merging to Category:Animals described in 1859
 * Propose merging to Category:Animals described in 1860
 * Propose merging to Category:Animals described in 1861
 * Ants (6 cats)
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1855
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1856
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1857
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1858
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1859
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1860
 * Aphids (4 cats)
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1855
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1856
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1859
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1860
 * Bees (4 cats)
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1857
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1858
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1859
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1860
 * Caddisflies (1 cat)
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1859
 * Centipedes (1 cat)
 * Propose merging to Category:Animals described in 1844
 * Cicadas (2 cats)
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1856
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1858
 * Damselflies (6 cats)
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1839
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1840
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1842
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1853
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1857
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1860
 * Dragonflies (9 cats)
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1839
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1840
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1842
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1843
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1854
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1856
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1857
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1858
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1859
 * Fleas (1 cat)
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1856
 * Flies (6 cats)
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1855
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1856
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1857
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1858
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1859
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1860
 * Lacewings (1 cat)
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1855
 * Mantises (1 cat)
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1858
 * Scale insects (1 cat)
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1856
 * Sea cucumbers (1 cat)
 * Propose merging to Category:Animals described in 1853
 * Stink bugs (1 cat)
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1855
 * Termites (2 cats)
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1858
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1859
 * Ticks (3 cats)
 * Propose merging to Category:Animals described in 1794
 * Propose merging to Category:Animals described in 1818
 * Propose merging to Category:Animals described in 1844
 * Urchins (4 cats)
 * Propose merging to Category:Animals described in 1845
 * Propose merging to Category:Animals described in 1846
 * Propose merging to Category:Animals described in 1851
 * Propose merging to Category:Animals described in 1857
 * Wasps (6 cats)
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1855
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1856
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1857
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1858
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1859
 * Propose merging to Category:Insects described in 1860


 * Nominator's rationale: While I am for the creation of useful subcategories to the Category:Animals by year of formal description tree and below, those listed above have the following criteria:
 * contain 9 or fewer total categories across all years,
 * contain a small number of articles (the largest being, and next largest ),
 * due to #1 & #2, they fail to meet the consensus reached at the Request for comment: categorizing by year of formal description, and finally,
 * were created between February–June 2018, giving them many months to be sufficiently populated and/or expanded.
 * If any of these trees have promise for expansion from the associated WikiProject, then they can be reassessed in a few months. Otherwise, I think their contents can be safely upmerged now. Ping to, the sole creator.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  21:57, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * WT:ANIMALS, WT:ARTHROPODS, WT:MARINELIFE, & WT:TREEOFLIFE notified.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  22:21, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge all as described, per nominator's rationale. Softlavender (talk) 22:24, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge all as described - fully agree. Suspect user:Caftaric is back. Oculi (talk) 01:09, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge all especially per criterion 1 and 4. I would venture a guess that most were created when redlinked to an article where "Insects described in..." would have been just as appropriate. Pagliaccious (talk) 17:35, 5 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Mites described in 1959

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:37, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging
 * Category:Mites described in 1959 to Category:Animals described in 1959
 * Propose deleting
 * Category:Mites described in the 20th century
 * Category:Mites by year of formal description
 * Nominator's rationale: We don't even have a Category:Mites, so this seems an inappropriate way to categorise their taxonomic history. Zoology is not my field, so I would welcome suggestion for a better merge target.  Brown Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 17:38, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Notifications: WikiProject Tree of Life and WikiProject Arthropods. -- Brown Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 18:03, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: I notice that the corresponding crustacean and spider categories are sparsely populated. Rather than pull this all the way up to animals by year would it make more sense to introduce an arthropod or arachnid category? Lavateraguy (talk) 18:51, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Neither the Crustaceans nor the Spiders trees are sparsely populated. The Insects tree is already multi-layered, so I don't recommend creating any new vertical layers, but more horizontal branches are ok, if sufficiently populated.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  21:24, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment (merge or rename) … to something like the proposal above. The category contains names of systematic classification, which resolves the informal term 'mite' to an eponymous value in the meaningful communication of facts, so I can't imagine how resorting to vernacular is helpful in the categorisation of them. cygnis insignis 20:22, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , I'm working on a larger nom that contains many sparsely populated cats such as these. Perhaps we can merge this one into it if I get it done soon, or maybe I'll omit mites from it if it falls on Nov 5th.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  21:24, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually mites is too new meet that nom's criteria. Carry on!  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  21:52, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, @Tom.Reding. The issues here seem a little different. -- Brown Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 21:58, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge as per nom. One reason is that we've seen too often that categories of this kind need to be associated with a reasonably active Wikiproject if they are to be maintained. There's no Wikiproject for mites. Peter coxhead (talk) 22:31, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - merge the mites. Oculi (talk) 01:11, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge and delete as described, per nominator's rationale. Softlavender (talk) 08:23, 5 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Swaziland national football team managers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Swaziland national football team managers to Category:Eswatini national football team managers
 * Nominator's rationale: Swaziland has become Eswatini, and the relevant associated article has been moved to Eswatini national football team Joseph2302 (talk) 15:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Support - should start with. These would be speedies. Oculi (talk) 01:15, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Leave cat-redirect -- Most people will not know that the country's name has changed. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:54, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Swaziland international footballers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:31, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Swaziland international footballers to Category:Eswatini international footballers
 * Nominator's rationale: Swaziland has become Eswatini, and the relevant associated article has been moved to Eswatini national football team Joseph2302</b> (talk) 15:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Leave cat-redirect -- Most people will not know that the country's name has changed. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:55, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:E.M.S
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 * The result of the discussion was: The category has already been deleted by User:Michig. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 15:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting e.m.s


 * Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a musician who does not have the volume of spinoff content needed to warrant one. As always, every musician does not automatically get one of these just to parent his WP:BLP -- they're created only in unusual cases, such as or, where it's needed for navigation purposes as the musician has a high volume of related content. But this musician doesn't have that. Bearcat (talk) 06:37, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment -- Even if we need this category (and I suspect we do not), we cannot allow it to survive with this obscure ambiguous abbreviation. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:57, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * See also Articles for deletion/E.M.S. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 19:37, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Even if the head article is kept, there is absolutely no reason to keep a single-item eponymous category. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 20:00, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Recreate when other potential content merits inclusion, 'eponymousness' is not a circular reference and creation was, at best, premature. — cygnis insignis 20:31, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:12, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete. Nonsense. Softlavender (talk) 08:31, 5 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Candian people by province or territory by occupation
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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy merge. Sorry folks.  The mis-spelling was my error when I created the category. I have redirected it. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 19:41, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Candian people by province or territory by occupation to Category:Canadian people by province or territory by occupation
 * Nominator's rationale: Blatant misspelling of Canadian in title, but has categories not in Canadian people by province or territory by occupation. Breawycker (talk to me!) 03:06, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Speedy merge. An obvious spelling error, coupled with obvious reduplication of another category that already exists, means this was just a good faith user error that we can just correct without really needing an extended discussion about it first. Bearcat (talk) 15:59, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Women murder victims
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:30, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Women murder victims to Category:Female murder victims
 * Nominator's rationale: It includes (e.g.) Tammy Alexander who was a girl. Since female children are not women, the category should be renamed: it's not exclusively about adult females but females in general. Honestly, this is a big change for many, many categories that include boys along with men and girls along with women but I had to start somewhere to get feedback. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:05, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Support as per the nominator, some of these people are children (and so not women). <b style="color:#CCCC00">Joseph</b><b style="color:#00FF00">2302</b> (talk) 15:48, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Perhaps it is unavoidable, but the term 'female' and 'male' are sometimes regarded as at least potentially obtuse, and some suggest avoiding it outside of a biological context. Sociologically, this is territory fraught with complications. I would have more to say if there wider discussion of categorization split by a gender datum instead of a subject or other encyclopaedic arrangements, and more consideration and reading (others have probably considered this deeply already), but for the time being I'm linking Category:Domestic murder victims and pondering the result—red or blue—against what is known about frequency, gender and its notability. — cygnis insignis 21:07, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support as inaccurate and also a malapropism. Softlavender (talk) 22:26, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose The main article is woman: "A woman is a female human being. The term woman is usually reserved for an adult, with girl being the usual term for a female child or adolescent. The term woman is also sometimes used to identify a female human, regardless of age" Dimadick (talk) 19:01, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * You pretty much proved the point: "Woman" is usually reserved for an adult. You'd be hard pressed to find a reliable source or medical source that calls an infant, baby, toddler, or child a "woman". Softlavender (talk) 22:34, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support a woman is a adult female human being. When I hear someone call a youth a person from the ages of 13–17 or 13–18 a "child", I find it insulting as a child is someone 12 years old or younger, as once you turn 13 you are no longer a child. I'm sure most youths would not like to be referred to as a child, so yes a female child or adolescent should not be called a woman either. Davidgoodheart (talk) 21:42, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Where do you get this definition of a child from? Rathfelder (talk) 16:58, 11 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Geobox usage tracking for beach type
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Was just created as a temporary tracking category. WOSlinker (talk) 09:51, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting geobox usage tracking for beach type


 * Nominator's rationale: All transclusions have been converted so this tracking category is no longer being used. Usually this would be a speedy delete (just like Category:Geobox usage tracking for region type) but an admin has reverted my attempts.  Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 00:30, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


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