Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 November 8



Category:LSU–Alexandria Generals baseball

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:06, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lsu–alexandria generals baseball


 * Nominator's rationale: Has only entry and its a redirect. LSU–Alexandria Generals baseball doesn't even have an article. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:40, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Ontario communities with large francophone populations

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:06, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ontario communities with large francophone populations


 * Nominator's rationale: Category with arbitrary and poorly defined inclusion criteria. While there is a List of francophone communities in Ontario, which basically lists every community in the province whose francophone population exceeds the provincial average of 4.1 per cent, that list does not correspond to what's been selected for inclusion here -- this category does have partial overlap with the list, but randomly excludes some places that appear in the list and randomly includes some places that don't: there are things here that are census divisions rather than communities, there are unincorporated communities for which there's no demographic data in existence for us to properly verify whether the size of its francophone community is "large" or not, and the two major cities in the category, Ottawa and Sudbury, each double-dip by also applying the category to Orleans and Rayside-Balfour, sub-municipal neighbourhoods within each city. So the inclusion criteria are random and arbitrary to begin with, before you take into account that it's also mixing in things whose inclusion is impossible to properly verify and/or which don't belong in a category for "communities" at all -- all of which is a recipe for "this shouldn't exist in this form". Bearcat (talk) 23:20, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Agree with nominator that there are no clear inclusion criteria. Delete (or if kept rename to Category:Ontario districts and municipalities of the French Language Services Act and purge). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 10 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Ancient Christianity

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename the first two to Category:Christianity in the late modern period and Category:Christianity in the early modern period; no consensus for the third but a new nomination of that alone is recommended. Timrollpickering 21:44, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Late Modern history of Christianity to Category:Christianity in late modern era
 * Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Christianity to Category:Christianity in early modern era
 * Propose renaming Category:Ancient Christianity to Category:Christianity in classical antiquity
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D per formula of Christianity in late antiquity (as emphasisised by Talk:Christianity_in_late_antiquity), Christianity in the Middle Ages, Christianity in the modern era. WP:C2C per Category:Christianity in late antiquity (as emphasised by Categories for discussion/Log/2018 October 19), and Category:Christianity in the Middle Ages (as emphasised by Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 8). Follow-up on opposed speedy discussion. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:18, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Details, presumably WP:C2D is meant to be WP:C2C; presumably the first two targets are Category:Christianity in the late modern era and Category:Christianity in the early modern era, with article. Furthermore note that the articles and top categories use "period" instead of "era", e.g. Early modern period and Category:Early Modern period. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:37, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support the first two nominations taking in mind the details mentioned above. Hesitant about the third nomination. By mentioning classical antiquity the scope of the category seems to be reduced to the same scope as Category:Early Christianity while currently Category:Ancient Christianity comprises Category:Early Christianity and Category:Christianity in late antiquity. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:37, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * For the third nomination, would simply Category:Christianity in antiquity do? Chicbyaccident (talk) 23:21, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Obviously yes. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:15, 9 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Support the first two nominations Clear scope. The early modern period lasts from c. 1453 to 1789, and the late modern period from c. 1800 (the Great Divergence) to either 1945 or to the present time. I am not certain how to apply the "antiquity" category. Classical antiquity lasts from the 8th century BC to the 5th or 6th century AD, and Late antiquity covers the period from the reign of Diocletian (reigned 284-305) to either the Early Muslim conquests (7th century) or to the start of the Carolingian Renaissance (8th century). Dimadick (talk) 07:56, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support first two but add "the" and use "period", i.e. Category:Christianity in the early modern period and Category:Christianity in the late modern period, which would be consistent with various siblings and with usage in the discussion above. I note that a lot of categories capitalise "Early Modern" but I do not support that. Mild oppose renaming from "Ancient", which seems fine to me and has many consistently-named siblings using "Ancient" despite the parent being Category:Religion in classical antiquity. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:47, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * So for the third nomination, would simply Category:Christianity in antiquity do? Chicbyaccident (talk) 00:42, 16 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Prefer Category:Christianity in the early modern period and Category:Christianity in the late modern period, rather than as nom. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:05, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Prefer Category:Christianity in the early modern period and Category:Christianity in the late modern period and Category:Christianity in antiquity. For sub-divisions of Antiquity, it would be preferable to use Constantine the Great and Christianity (313) as the starting year rather than the reign of Diocletian (reigned 284-305). Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:59, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Diocletian's reforms are the ones used as the start of late antiquity in sources. I was not suggesting using his reign to define the Christian categories. Dimadick (talk) 15:22, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * (as nominator) I'm perfectly fine with replacing "era" by "period", as suggested. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:56, 2 December 2018 (UTC)


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Hindu calendars

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 17:09, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Hindu calendar to Category:Hindu festivals
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Bengali calendar to Category:Bengali Hindu festivals
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Indian National Calendar to Category:Hindu festivals in India
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Malayalam calendar to Category:Hindu festivals in Kerala
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT, these calendars are exclusively tied to the Hindu religion (split by country/region), categorizing the articles by Hindu festival and by calendar is mere duplication. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:06, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


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Religious calendars

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge/rename. Timrollpickering 17:10, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Nanakshahi calendar to Category:Sikh festivals
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Zoroastrian calendar to Category:Zoroastrian festivals
 * Propose renaming Category:Observances set by the Bahá'í calendar to Category:Bahá'í holy days
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT, these calendars are exclusively tied to a religion, categorizing the articles by religious festival and by calendar is mere duplication.
 * Note for the third category that the usual term in Bahá'ism is holy days rather than observances, per Bahá'í Holy Days and similar to Category:Jewish holy days. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:06, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Support though would prefer a standard of "festivals". Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:07, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Currently we have observances, festivals, holy days and holidays. Perhaps we can align all of that some day. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:58, 11 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:City Councilmen of Nauvoo, Illinois

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename and merge as proposed. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 16:28, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:City Councilmen of Nauvoo, Illinois to Category:Nauvoo, Illinois city council members
 * Propose merging Category:Aldermen of Nauvoo, Illinois to Category:Nauvoo, Illinois city council members
 * Nominator's rationale: Category incorrectly named according to our naming conventions for city councillor categories (see parent category, where the two sibling subcategories for Chicago and Peoria are both named in the target format.) As for the "aldermen" category, Nauvoo seems to be a bit of an edge case — unlike most cities, where "alderman" and "councillor" mean the same thing and the gender-neutral term replaced the gendered one when women started getting elected to city councils on a regular basis, Nauvoo seems to be a place that simultaneously used both terms for different people on the same city council even in the 1840s. (The article on its city council doesn't specify what the distinction between the two terms might be, however; it just says that some of the members were aldermen and others were councillors, the end.) But Nauvoo is not actually a place where serving on city council would pass WP:NPOL in its own right, but rather everybody in both categories combined either (a) has another notability claim for other reasons, mainly prominence in the Mormon Church hierarchy, rather than being "notable" as city councillors per se, or (b) isn't really notable at all and should be deleted. So the fact that Nauvoo divvied its city council up under two different titles isn't really a strong reason why the two titles would need two separate categories — they should just be merged into one category at a general term that covers both titles, and fortunately the standard naming convention for city council member categories accomplishes exactly that. Bearcat (talk) 20:54, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge both per nom -- This is a place with 1100 odd inhabitants today, its council having been a shortlived affair in the 1840s. Do we really need three categories for this, including mayor?  The people concerned were notable in connection with the LDS church, not for their political role at Nauvoo.   Peterkingiron (talk) 12:12, 9 November 2018 (UTC)


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LGBT political advocacy groups in New England

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 * The result of the discussion was: procedural close as the category pages were not tagged to give anyone notice of the discussion. In any case there was no support from the regular CFD participants who happened to see it. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:40, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

I propose that we take Category:LGBT political advocacy groups in Maine with Category:LGBT political advocacy groups in Massachusetts and merge both into Category:LGBT political advocacy groups in New England.

This could help clean up the large amount of subcategories in Category:LGBT political advocacy groups in the United States. ― Matthew J. Long -Talk-☖  14:04, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I am in need of assistance for the what the proper formatting for this proposed merger. I have less experience with categories. &#8213; Matthew J. Long -Talk-☖  14:12, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I am of two minds as to whether really needs to be subdivided by state at all — the vast majority of its subcategories are one, two or three item WP:SMALLCATs, and the category as a whole is not large enough to require geographic subdivision at all — but as it stands, the criterion of division is by individual state, not by broad multistate region. As long as we're doing it that way, there's no valid reason for Maine and Massachusetts to be handled differently than any of the other 33 states-plus-DC that have their own state-specific categories. For another thing, both of these are also subcategories of "LGBT in [State]" parent categories, which would mean every item in a merged category would be half wrong in its categorization genealogy. If somebody wanted to put forward a batch proposal to get all of the subcategories upmerged to the appropriate parents, I'd probably support that — but this, as constituted here, I can't support under the circumstances as they stand today. Bearcat (talk) 17:16, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose, agree with both minds of Bearcat. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:52, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * We dont have clear multistate region system for the USA. Almost every category where divided by geography is divided by state. Rathfelder (talk) 21:24, 9 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Saint Barthélemy supercentenarians

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete, empty category--Ymblanter (talk) 15:44, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting saint barthélemy supercentenarians


 * Nominator's rationale: Empty category with no potential members that have an article. There was only one person who fit the category description, Eugénie Blanchard, and she is now only memorialized by a redirect to List of French supercentenarians. — JFG talk 10:30, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete This category is both non-existent and therefore fails any notability guideline as well. Newshunter12 (talk) 04:40, 10 November 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Space: Above and Beyond

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:04, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting space


 * Nominator's rationale: Category for a TV series with only the show itself as a member. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 00:19, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete; no merging is needed. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:38, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:02, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


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