Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 October 15



Conflicts by millennium, century and decade up to 1000 AD

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 * The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Timrollpickering 13:53, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1st-millennium BC conflicts to Category:1st-millennium BC military history
 * Propose renaming Category:1st-millennium conflicts to Category:1st-millennium military history
 * Propose renaming Category:10th-century BC conflicts to Category:10th-century BC military history
 * Propose renaming Category:9th-century BC conflicts to Category:9th-century BC military history
 * Propose renaming Category:8th-century BC conflicts to Category:8th-century BC military history
 * Propose merging Category:7th-century BC conflicts to Category:7th-century BC military history
 * Propose merging Category:6th-century BC conflicts to Category:6th-century BC military history


 * Nominator's rationale: rename/merge as follow-up on this previous discussion. In Antiquity and Middle Ages "conflicts" and "military history" nearly coincide in terms of Wikipedia content. In the previous discussion there was a preference to use the somewhat broader term "military history". This nomination only considers the period up to 1000 AD, because from there on the conflicts tree starts diffusing by year, so for the period of 1000-1499 there will be another follow-up nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * pinging discussants in the previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Support -- This implements my vote for reverse merge on the previous discussion. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:10, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep all and create all the targets as parent categories. There will be articles on military history in the XXXs which are not conflicts. Oculi (talk) 18:48, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep all and create all the targets as parent categories. I agree with Oculi's reasoning. Dimadick (talk) 05:16, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The question is not whether there will be articles on military history in the XXXs which are not conflicts, the question is whether in these distant periods we may expect a reasonable number of articles per category (i.e. per century or per decade) that are not conflicts. Currently that is not the case at all, for example we only have 11 articles about military alliances in the entire antiquity. WP:OVERLAPCAT does not require that categories are 100% overlapping, it just requires a large overlap. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * There are treaties as well. Look at Category:1957 in military history: there are many items which are neither conflicts nor alliances nor treaties. It is not 'overlapcat' at all - any subcat always overlaps completely with a parent cat. A conflict is best categorised as a conflict. Oculi (talk) 12:46, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The amount of content in 1957 is entirely incomparable with ancient and medieval times. We have about 60 articles about treaties from the 5th century BC up to the 10th century AD, that is on average 0.3 articles on treaties per decade category. Of course any subcat always overlaps completely with a parent cat but here we have a case that the amount of content of the parent cat almost completely overlaps with one subcat, and this is what WP:OVERLAPCAT is about. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 11:31, 7 October 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:54, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - WP:OVERLAPCAT is nothing at all to do with cases where a parent category has no articles and 1 subcat. There are many cases (with which there is no problem at all) where this arises. WP:OVERLAPCAT is a section of Overcategorization, also known as "category clutter". These categories produce no clutter. Oculi (talk) 09:19, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * They do not produce clutter, they produce unnecessary additional navigational effort (unnecessary because one category layer contains hardly any articles). That is a different adverse effect of WP:OVERLAPCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:26, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Further, Category:1st-century BC military history has 3 subcats, 2 quite large. Perhaps the nom could explain the advantage of allowing the conflicts Category:1st-century BC conflicts to spill out over this nicely organised trio. Merging Category:10th-century conflicts to Category:10th-century military history? Why? Oculi (talk) 14:58, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * After all merging is completed the 10th century will contain 10 subcats by decade, 5 subcats by war‎, a fortifications subcat and a military units subcat. That is perfectly fine, isn't it? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:26, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People associated with EOS

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:50, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People associated with EOS to Category:People associated with cryptocurrency
 * Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated subcategory, merge with parent category. &mdash; Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 14:07, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People associated with Zcash

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:49, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People associated with Zcash to Category:People associated with cryptocurrency
 * Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated subcategory, merge with parent category. &mdash; Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 14:06, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People associated with Bitcoin Cash

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:48, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People associated with Bitcoin Cash to Category:People associated with cryptocurrency
 * Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated subcategory, merge with parent category. &mdash; Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 14:06, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 18:07, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Bitcoin Cash

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:47, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting bitcoin cash


 * Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated. &mdash; Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 13:52, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Rajput chiefs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:46, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting rajput chiefs


 * Nominator's rationale: This is categorisation by caste, which we do not do. Some past history regarding the consensus is noted at User:Sitush/Common. Sitush (talk) 08:30, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People from Shadwell, West Yorkshire

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People from the City of Leeds. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:44, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Shadwell, West Yorkshire to Category:People from Leeds (district)
 * Nominator's rationale: This is a people category for a village; currently contains only one article, Robin Blaze. Note: if this is not merged, then the London category should be disambiguated. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:29, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:35, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * NOTE that the target of the merge Category:People from Leeds (district) has now been moved to Category:People from the City of Leeds Keith D (talk) 11:39, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Films shot in the Czech Republic

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 * The result of the discussion was: do not rename, without prejudice to a creation of . Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:41, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Films shot in the Czech Republic to Category:Films shot in Czechia or Category:Films shot in the Czech lands
 * Nominator's rationale: Some of these films, especially in the subcat, were actually shot before the establishment of Czech Republic, and a geographic category makes more sense anyway. Catrìona (talk) 07:22, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose. For films shot in Czechoslovakia, we can have a separate category "Films shot in Czechoslovakia", no need to be overly creative here with terms like "Čechija" or "Czech lands".--Darwinek (talk) 19:49, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * What about Theresienstadt (1944 film) and other films shot in the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia? It just makes more sense to me to categorize them geographically. Catrìona (talk) 19:57, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose A Czechoslovakia category makes more sense. It was a relatively long-lived state (1918–1939, 1945–1992), while both theCzech Republic and Slovakia have had a very short lifespan. Dimadick (talk) 07:15, 21 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Sri Lankan military uniforms

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:40, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sri Lankan military uniforms to Category:Sri Lankan uniforms
 * Nominator's rationale: The parent category, Category:Sri Lankan uniforms, is completely empty except for containing this subcategory. Since this category also only has one article in it, should we simply merge this category to its main parent category? – numbermaniac  06:13, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Classical Israel

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 * The result of the discussion was: split. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:38, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Classical Israel to Category:Ancient Jewish Greek history and Category:Israel in the Roman era and category:Hasmonean Kingdom
 * Nominator's rationale: split, the word 'classical' is normally used only for the Greek and Roman civilizations as such (besides Classical Greece preceded Hellenism), I have never seen it been used for countries in the Middle East in the Hellenistic or Roman era. Since we already have a Greek and Roman category in this case, the content can simply be dispersed. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Why not nominating category:classical Syria and category:classical Palestine on the same grounds as discussed at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_September_6? Is this the case of WP:DONTLIKEIT?GreyShark (dibra) 06:16, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Those will follow as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment - technically speaking this category was created by me from the understanding that Classical Syria refers to classical era period in the area of modern Syria and Israel/Jordan/Palestine/Lebanon can have similar categories. When rejecting this notion, then perhaps the best fit for Classical Israel is category:Hasmonean Kingdom which was generally named "Israel" during the period.GreyShark (dibra) 06:46, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I have added this as a third target in the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:58, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment The Hasmonean dynasty's reign ended in 37 BCE, when Antigonus II Mattathias was deposed and executed by Marcus Antonius. Herod the Great and the Herodian dynasty are out of scope. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dimadick (talk • contribs)
 * That is not a problem, since this is a split nomination, not a merge nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 21 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Destroyed landmarks in Spain demolished by period

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:36, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Destroyed landmarks in Spain demolished by period to Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Spain by period
 * Propose renaming Category:Destroyed landmarks in Spain demolished during the Peninsular War‎ to Category:Buildings and structures in Spain demolished during the Peninsular War‎
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content: all these landmarks are buildings and structures. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Support Clearer scope. Dimadick (talk) 13:04, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Support -- Conforms to established "Buildings and Structures" tree. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:35, 21 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:C. Wright Mills

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at 2018 OCT 23 CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:54, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting c. wright mills


 * Nominator's rationale: too thin for an eponymous category. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:23, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Mills was an important figure in 20th century sociology. There are books that he has written and concepts that he has introduced that should make it into Wikipedia as articles (The Causes of World War Three and Listen, Yankee, for a start). By coincidence, I have recently started a draft at Draft:Abstracted empiricism, which has a heading in the Oxford Dictionary of Sociology. bd2412  T 12:46, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Foxhound packs of the United Kingdom

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:35, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Foxhound packs of the United Kingdom to Category:Fox hunts in the United Kingdom
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:Overcategorization, they cover identical subject matter. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 04:51, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge and also merge in England and Scotland subcats. There are not enough hunts to merit splitting between the British home nations.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:36, 21 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Legislators who represented multiple jurisdictions
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting legislators who represented multiple jurisdictions


 * Subcats: Category:Members of Congress who served in multiple states, Category:Members of the Malaysian Parliament who represented multiple states, Category:Members of the Australian Parliament who represented multiple states
 * Nominator's rationale: Pure trivia. These can be lists but even that is pretty ropey. This is not defining. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:43, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom; nondefining cruft. Catrìona (talk) 07:24, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: as there are at least two lists, I have created Category:Lists of legislators who represented multiple jurisdictions, which does not depend on the nominated categories for parenting. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:43, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


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