Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 October 17



Category:Treaties signed in Switzerland

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 18:08, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting treaties signed in switzerland


 * Nominator's rationale: Although it's often reflected in the name of the treaty, the place where a treaty was concluded or signed is not particularly defining for the treaty. To some extent, this is overcategorization of unrelated subjects by shared naming feature. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:44, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:45, 18 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People associated with bribery

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge/delete. Timrollpickering 18:12, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people associated with bribery


 * Nominator's rationale: move the two subcategories to parent Category:Bribery, then delete this category, per WP:OCASSOC. The category attracts articles of people who are not convicted for bribery and should not be here. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:15, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Support. We should be very sparing in our use of categories using "People associated with ...". Rathfelder (talk) 15:29, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Support -- Saying that a person is associated with bribery, though not convicted of it, presents the risk of a libel suit. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:55, 21 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Holy orders in the Catholic Church

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 November 1. ℯ xplicit  07:12, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Holy orders in the Catholic Church to Category:Clerical state in the Catholic Church
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, apart from the eponymous article the category has a much broader content than just Holy orders. Clerical state would be a better term, per e.g. this source. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:54, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Alt What about Category:Holy orders and the Catholic Church? Also, not all clerics are ordained. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:40, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The alternative does not resolve the problem mentioned in the rationale. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:39, 26 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Satanic ritual abuse in the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 18:11, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Satanic ritual abuse in the United States to Category:Satanic ritual abuse hysteria in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge to Category:Satanic ritual abuse hysteria in the United States, as there is only one topic, the articles reference the hysteria epidemic not actual abuse,and the vast majority of the articles are in the other category. Guy (Help!) 16:51, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Support Satanic ritual abuse was a moral panic topic in the 1980s, and there was very little evidence for actual abuse of any kind. :"Official investigations produced no evidence of widespread conspiracies or of the slaughter of thousands; only a small number of verified crimes have even remote similarities to tales of SRA. In the latter half of the 1990s, interest in SRA declined and skepticism became the default position, with very few researchers giving any credence to the existence of SRA." Dimadick (talk) 12:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)


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Villages by tehsil

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 18:11, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Jaranwala Tehsil to Category:Villages in Faisalabad District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Hazro Tehsil to Category:Villages in Attock District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Choa Saidan Shah Tehsil to Category:Villages in Chakwal District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Pind Dadan Khan Tehsil to Category:Villages in Jhelum District
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Bazurgwal Union Council to Category:Villages in Kharian Tehsil
 * Propose merging Category:Villages in Kahror Pacca Tehsil to Category:Villages in Lodhran District
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge as WP:SOFTDELETE because of WP:SMALLCAT; each of these currently only holds one page. User:Saadat Malik did a lot more of these at the start of June, and if this is approved then I propose to take this CFD as authority to manually merge any others that still contain only one or two pages. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:08, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 18:06, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People from Nickelsville, Virginia

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 18:08, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Nickelsville, Virginia to Category:People from Scott County, Virginia
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small one-county community with just two entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:18, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. ~ Dissident93 (talk</b>) 18:07, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:ESports games
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename nominated categories. Others will need to be listed to be processed; they can be done at WP:CFDS. Timrollpickering 18:10, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:ESports games to Category:Esports games
 * Propose renaming Category:ESports to Category:Esports
 * ... and associated categories, "Esports", "ESports" and "eSports" to "esports" (unless part of a proper name).
 * Nominator's rationale: To comply with the outcome of a recent RFD. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 08:37, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I wonder why not include all the other categories using "ESports" spelling in this CfD? — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:41, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There are too many categories to list all of them here. I will add the most significant ones (such as top categories) later if needed. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 07:55, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I think you should just go ahead and move them. Category spellings need to reflect the main subject it's based on, so I don't see who would even oppose this. If you want, I can provide a list of them to speed up the process. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 17:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * well, I wanted to but I couldn't given that redirect categories were already in place and I am not an administrator. Best-case an administrator could just speedy-close this and move all categories. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 18:24, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * My bad, I assumed you had move rights. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 18:28, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I do have extended mover rights, but these kinda moves are still something my account isn't able to do (I actually requested the permission specifically for this, but didn't know that I wasn't going to get what I was expecting). I think the only thing I have new is the "Leave a redirect" option when moving a page. Lordtobi  ( &#9993; ) 18:33, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I created the ESports games category 12 1/2 years ago. Renaming makes sense to me`after the CfD. Wedderkop (talk) 14:43, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - I don't even see the need for discussing this. All of these eSport categories/templates should be moved to esport following the main article RFC move. I'd move them all myself if they weren't move/redirect protected. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 17:24, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Catholic Church offices
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 * The result of the discussion was:  at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 November 1. <b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b> xplicit  07:12, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Catholic Church offices to Category:Catholic Church organisation
 * Nominator's rationale: Pretty much identical scope? For any entry that cannot be dealt with as inside an identical scope should probably rather be subcategorised somewhere else? Chicbyaccident (talk) 07:38, 8 October 2018 (UTC)


 *  Keep  [see below] - the scope is by no means identical. The purpose of Category:Catholic Church offices is to subcategorise articles relating to positions in the Church such as bishop, pope, abbot etc. Oculi (talk) 21:23, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The category should mainly consist of articles, most of the subcategories are not about a particular office (as a topic) so they may be moved to Category:Catholic Church organisation or to somewhere else in the tree of Category:Catholic Church. But that is a matter of reorganizing the content, not of reorganizing the categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * has updated the category's contents commendibly. However, doubts remain. Perhaps now the category might better be renamed to "Catholic ecclesiastical titles" or something similar while these entries that don't quialify there ought to be categorised inside Category:Catholic Church organisation? Relatedly, don't Category:Roman Catholic titular prelates by type‎ and Category:Military ordinariates rather belong in subcategories of Category:Holy orders in the Catholic Church‎? Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:41, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't object to Category:Catholic ecclesiastical titles, but keeping the category name at offices does not harm either. I left Category:Holy orders in the Catholic Church‎ here as a subcategory but I do wonder what it is really meant for. With the current content, it is not quite about the topic holy orders (apart from the eponymous article). Marcocapelle (talk) 13:04, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Not sure either. It is rather unclear. That's why I think this category merits some reconsidering. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:30, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b> xplicit 03:54, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Catholic ecclesiastical titles per parent Category:Ecclesiastical titles. The category's contents are indeed greatly improved. Oculi (talk) 08:36, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment Please take care when choosing a category name to use words that are unambiguous to the lay reader. Be aware that certain terms which tend to mean one thing in modern, colloquial English may have a specialized meaning in the context of Catholic doctrine or administration. Some of these are known well enough outside Catholic circles, others less so. Bishop, priest, or deacon might be a position or an office to you and me, but they are (holy) orders in this context. Conversely, office can be something else. Other seemingly unambiguous terms like congregation, ordinary, or religious can have specialized meanings in a Catholic context which differ sufficiently from the more generalized sense as to permit confusion. So when choosing a name for a category, as far as possible terms should be chosen which will not confuse the general reader. Mathglot (talk) 21:11, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * thank you for your advice. Which name would you recommend in this particular case? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 18 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep (perhaps renamed) So not merge. The category deals with job titles in the church.  I would go with Occuli's suggestion, unless someone comes up with a better target.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:58, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to Category:Catholic ecclesiastical titles. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:57, 24 October 2018 (UTC)


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