Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 October 7



Recurring events until 1800

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:38, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 353 to Category:353 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 539 to Category:539 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 869 to Category:869 establishments


 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 970 to Category:970 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1133 to Category:1133 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1200 to Category:1200 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1211 to Category:1211 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1233 to Category:1233 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1253 to Category:1253 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1257 to Category:1257 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1268 to Category:1268 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1278 to Category:1278 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1284 to Category:1284 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1285 to Category:1285 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1294 to Category:1294 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1340 to Category:1340 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1346 to Category:1346 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1351 to Category:1351 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1397 to Category:1397 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1434 to Category:1434 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1450 to Category:1450 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1490 to Category:1490 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1519 to Category:1519 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1520 to Category:1520 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1563 to Category:1563 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1570 to Category:1570 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1584 to Category:1584 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1586 to Category:1586 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1588 to Category:1588 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1592 to Category:1592 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1603 to Category:1603 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1604 to Category:1604 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1605 to Category:1605 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1608 to Category:1608 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1610 to Category:1610 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1642 to Category:1642 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1665 to Category:1665 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1670 to Category:1670 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1672 to Category:1672 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1682 to Category:1682 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1688 to Category:1688 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1712 to Category:1712 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1715 to Category:1715 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1719 to Category:1719 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1732 to Category:1732 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1743 to Category:1743 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1751 to Category:1751 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1756 to Category:1756 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1757 to Category:1757 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1758 to Category:1758 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1766 to Category:1766 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1767 to Category:1767 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1768 to Category:1768 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1769 to Category:1769 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1771 to Category:1771 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1775 to Category:1775 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1776 to Category:1776 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1777 to Category:1777 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1779 to Category:1779 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1780 to Category:1780 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1784 to Category:1784 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1785 to Category:1785 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1786 to Category:1786 establishments


 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1790 to Category:1790 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1797 to Category:1797 establishments
 * Propose merging Category:Recurring events established in 1799 to Category:1799 establishments
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, nearly all these categories contain only one article and/or one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:44, 29 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Query - why is this not 'a large established subcat scheme', namely Category:Recurring events by year of establishment, and thus expressly permitted under WP:SMALLCAT? Oculi (talk) 18:26, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The guideline says part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme - which means that it is not permitted to nominate one or a few subcategories of an overall scheme that happen to be small just by chance while adjacent siblings are big enough to keep. The guideline makes perfect sense, but is not applicable here: it is the scheme itself that is being discussed (up to a certain point), not random parts of it. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:50, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Why is 1800 chosen as a cut-off? Is this not a random lopping off of much of the tree? Also Smithfield Show for instance will be taken out of Category:Recurring events altogether. Oculi (talk) 20:27, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * It is not random because before 1800 the categories are consistently small. With the proposed merge Smithfield Show will remain in the 1799 tree and it will remain in the agricultural shows tree hence in the tree of recurring events. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:52, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The categories are consistently small before 1810 as well, so 1800 is random. United States Census will be taken out of Category:Recurring events altogether. Oculi (talk) 23:29, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * We can always discuss the period of 1800-1850 in a later stage if you wish. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:13, 14 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Multiple Merge as nom. By their nature, most annual categories are likely to be single-item ones.  I would however propose a further merge to new century categories up to and including Category:Recurring events established in 17th century and then Category:Recurring events established in 1710s etc. for 18th century, though I could be persuaded that the 18th century should also only have a century category.  The parent would be renamed to Category:Recurring events by date of establishment (currently year of).  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:29, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 * In fact the large amount of these (ancient, medieval and early modern) recurring events are festivals and the festivals are already diffused by time. So there is no real need to create a parallel recurring events tree for older centuries. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:05, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 12:30, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - this is a comprehensive system which admittedly has led to small categories. It is very difficult to 'undo' large comprehensive systems without making errors. Oculi (talk) 23:29, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * How do you mean? Does the nomination contain errors? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes: United States Census will be taken out of Category:Recurring events altogether. There will be similar errors as I only looked in 2 categories (and 'upmerge to all parents' introduces duplications). Peterkingiron's suggestion above might work. I don't entirely see why a recurring event established in 1799 is not appropriately placed in Category:Recurring events established in 1799 (regardless of 1798 and 1800 and the propensity of 1799 for such establishments) although I would not create it myself. An editor is entitled to create Category:Recurring events established in 1799 because it becomes 'part of a large established subcat scheme'. Oculi (talk) 12:39, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It is not an error. In contrast to e.g. Festival, a recurring event is a very weak concept (e.g. there is no article Recurring event) and should only be used as a container category for grouping a large number of subcategories. If there is not a large number of subcategories with recurring events by year of establishment, the content should simply be put in the corresponding general establishments category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:06, 11 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose this nomination achieves nothing and hinders navigation. Tim! (talk) 16:39, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Observances by calendar

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn/no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:21, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Attic calendar to Category:Festivals in ancient Athens
 * Propose renaming Category:Observances set by the Bahá'í calendar to Category:Bahá'í holy days
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Burmese calendar to Category:Festivals in Myanmar
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Chinese calendar to Category:Festivals in China
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Coptic calendar to Category:Christian festivals and holy days
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Ethiopian calendar to Category:Christian festivals and holy days
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Hebrew calendar to Category:Jewish holy days
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Hindu calendar to Category:Hindu festivals
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Islamic calendar to Category:Islamic holy days
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the traditional Japanese calendar to Category:Festivals in Japan
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Korean calendar to Category:Festivals in Korea
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Nanakshahi calendar to Category:Sikh festivals
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Solar Hijri calendar to Category:Festivals in Iran
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Thai lunar calendar to Category:Festivals in Thailand
 * Propose deleting Category:Observances set by the Tibetan calendar (articles are already in respective country categories)
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Vietnamese calendar to Category:Festivals in Vietnam
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Zoroastrian calendar to Category:Zoroastrian festivals
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Assamese calendar to Category:Festivals in Assam
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Balinese saka calendar to Category:Hindu holy days in Bali
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Bengali calendar to Category:Bengali Hindu festivals
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Indian National Calendar to Category:Hindu festivals in India
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Malayalam calendar to Category:Hindu festivals in Kerala
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Nepali calendar to Category:Religious festivals in Nepal
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Pawukon calendar to Category:Hindu holy days in Bali
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Punjabi calendar to Category:Punjabi festivals
 * Propose merging Category:Observances set by the Tamil calendar to Category:Festivals in Tamil Nadu
 * Propose deleting Category:Observances on non-Gregorian calendars
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT, almost every calendar coincides with a particular country, a particular region, or a particular religion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * ALT prefix all by "Religious" per Category:Religious festivals in Nepal. For those that are obviously already religious, (e.g. Category:Hindu festivals), insert "religious" in the middle of the title (e.g. Category:Hindu religious festivals). Also, why is it Category:Jewish holy days instead of Category:Jewish religious festivals? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:13, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Those are comments about the target categories. Happy to discuss them at some other occasion. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:58, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Not all of the proposed categories' members are religious. --Paul_012 (talk) 00:48, 5 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Category:Observances on non-Gregorian calendars on procedural grounds, as you've not specified something to do with the individual articles within the category. Propose something to do with them, or advance an argument why we shouldn't have them in any category of this sort, and I'll be willing to strike this vote.  Nyttend (talk) 23:09, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The individual articles are scheduled according to a country calendar or religious calendar that does not have its own subcategory yet (most of them Buddhist). The articles are not different from the subcategories in this respect. As the articles are already in the right country or religion category, they do not have to be in a calendar category as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you. Nyttend (talk) 10:57, 24 September 2018 (UTC)


 * oppose at least in part Looking at Category:Observances set by the Hebrew calendar, there are holidays set by the Israeli government whose dates are determined according to the Hebrew calendar, but which are not holy days, as for example Jabotinsky Day. I'm afraid this is going to have to be addressed on a category-by-category basis. Mangoe (talk) 15:06, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose in part -- Coptic and Ethiopian festivals should not be necessarily merged to Christian ones, since these independent churches are liable to have festivals that differ from those of the Catholic (and Protestant) and Orthodox traditions. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:50, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Category:Christian festivals and holy days contains more festivals and holy days that are not applicable to the entire Christian world, for example Buß- und Bettag is only in Germany. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:52, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 12:24, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Withdraw, it is apparent that this nomination needs to be split. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:08, 11 October 2018 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Medieval Ireland

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 * The result of the discussion was:  no consensus . Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:47, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1014 in Ireland to Category:1014 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1100 in Ireland to Category:1100 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1101 in Ireland to Category:1101 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1102 in Ireland to Category:1102 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1103 in Ireland to Category:1103 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1105 in Ireland to Category:1105 in Europe


 * Propose merging Category:1106 in Ireland to Category:1106 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1110 in Ireland to Category:1110 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1114 in Ireland to Category:1114 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1115 in Ireland to Category:1115 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1116 in Ireland to Category:1116 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1117 in Ireland to Category:1117 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1118 in Ireland to Category:1118 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1119 in Ireland to Category:1119 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1121 in Ireland to Category:1121 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1123 in Ireland to Category:1123 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1124 in Ireland to Category:1124 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1126 in Ireland to Category:1126 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1127 in Ireland to Category:1127 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1128 in Ireland to Category:1128 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1129 in Ireland to Category:1129 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1130 in Ireland to Category:1130 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1134 in Ireland to Category:1134 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1136 in Ireland to Category:1136 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1137 in Ireland to Category:1137 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1138 in Ireland to Category:1138 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1139 in Ireland to Category:1139 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1142 in Ireland to Category:1143 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1143 in Ireland to Category:1143 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1144 in Ireland to Category:1144 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1145 in Ireland to Category:1145 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1146 in Ireland to Category:1146 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1148 in Ireland to Category:1148 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1149 in Ireland to Category:1149 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1150 in Ireland to Category:1150 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1153 in Ireland to Category:1153 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1155 in Ireland to Category:1155 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1156 in Ireland to Category:1156 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1157 in Ireland to Category:1157 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1159 in Ireland to Category:1159 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1160 in Ireland to Category:1160 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1161 in Ireland to Category:1161 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1162 in Ireland to Category:1162 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1163 in Ireland to Category:1163 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1164 in Ireland to Category:1164 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1166 in Ireland to Category:1166 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1167 in Ireland to Category:1167 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1168 in Ireland to Category:1168 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1170 in Ireland to Category:1170 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1171 in Ireland to Category:1171 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1176 in Ireland to Category:1176 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1177 in Ireland to Category:1177 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1178 in Ireland to Category:1178 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1179 in Ireland to Category:1179 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1180 in Ireland to Category:1180 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1181 in Ireland to Category:1181 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1183 in Ireland to Category:1183 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1184 in Ireland to Category:1184 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1186 in Ireland to Category:1186 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1189 in Ireland to Category:1189 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1190 in Ireland to Category:1190 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1192 in Ireland to Category:1192 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1193 in Ireland to Category:1193 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1194 in Ireland to Category:1194 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1195 in Ireland to Category:1195 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1196 in Ireland to Category:1196 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1197 in Ireland to Category:1197 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1198 in Ireland to Category:1198 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1199 in Ireland to Category:1199 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1200 in Ireland to Category:1200 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1201 in Ireland to Category:1201 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1202 in Ireland to Category:1202 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1203 in Ireland to Category:1203 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1205 in Ireland to Category:1205 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1206 in Ireland to Category:1206 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1207 in Ireland to Category:1207 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1208 in Ireland to Category:1208 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1210 in Ireland to Category:1210 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1211 in Ireland to Category:1211 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1213 in Ireland to Category:1213 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1215 in Ireland to Category:1215 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1216 in Ireland to Category:1216 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1217 in Ireland to Category:1217 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1219 in Ireland to Category:1219 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1221 in Ireland to Category:1221 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1224 in Ireland to Category:1224 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1225 in Ireland to Category:1225 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1226 in Ireland to Category:1226 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1227 in Ireland to Category:1227 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1228 in Ireland to Category:1228 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1229 in Ireland to Category:1229 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1231 in Ireland to Category:1231 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1232 in Ireland to Category:1232 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1233 in Ireland to Category:1233 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1237 in Ireland to Category:1237 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1238 in Ireland to Category:1238 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1241 in Ireland to Category:1241 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1242 in Ireland to Category:1242 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1243 in Ireland to Category:1243 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1244 in Ireland to Category:1244 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1245 in Ireland to Category:1245 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1447 in Ireland to Category:1447 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1248 in Ireland to Category:1248 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1249 in Ireland to Category:1249 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1250 in Ireland to Category:1250 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1251 in Ireland to Category:1251 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1252 in Ireland to Category:1252 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1258 in Ireland to Category:1258 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1259 in Ireland to Category:1259 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1263 in Ireland to Category:1263 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1264 in Ireland to Category:1264 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1266 in Ireland to Category:1266 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1268 in Ireland to Category:1268 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1271 in Ireland to Category:1271 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1273 in Ireland to Category:1273 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1276 in Ireland to Category:1276 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1280 in Ireland to Category:1280 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1283 in Ireland to Category:1283 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1286 in Ireland to Category:1286 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1288 in Ireland to Category:1288 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1290 in Ireland to Category:1290 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1294 in Ireland to Category:1294 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1296 in Ireland to Category:1296 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1297 in Ireland to Category:1297 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1300 in Ireland to Category:1300 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1305 in Ireland to Category:1305 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1306 in Ireland to Category:1306 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1307 in Ireland to Category:1307 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1308 in Ireland to Category:1308 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1309 in Ireland to Category:1309 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1310 in Ireland to Category:1310 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1311 in Ireland to Category:1311 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1313 in Ireland to Category:1313 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1314 in Ireland to Category:1314 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1319 in Ireland to Category:1319 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1320 in Ireland to Category:1320 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1321 in Ireland to Category:1321 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1324 in Ireland to Category:1324 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1326 in Ireland to Category:1326 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1327 in Ireland to Category:1327 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1328 in Ireland to Category:1328 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1331 in Ireland to Category:1331 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1332 in Ireland to Category:1332 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1333 in Ireland to Category:1333 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1334 in Ireland to Category:1334 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1335 in Ireland to Category:1335 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1336 in Ireland to Category:1336 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1337 in Ireland to Category:1337 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1338 in Ireland to Category:1338 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1339 in Ireland to Category:1339 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1340 in Ireland to Category:1340 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1341 in Ireland to Category:1341 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1342 in Ireland to Category:1342 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1343 in Ireland to Category:1343 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1344 in Ireland to Category:1344 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1345 in Ireland to Category:1345 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1346 in Ireland to Category:1346 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1347 in Ireland to Category:1347 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1348 in Ireland to Category:1348 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1349 in Ireland to Category:1349 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1351 in Ireland to Category:1351 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1352 in Ireland to Category:1352 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1353 in Ireland to Category:1353 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1354 in Ireland to Category:1354 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1355 in Ireland to Category:1355 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1356 in Ireland to Category:1356 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1357 in Ireland to Category:1357 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1358 in Ireland to Category:1358 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1359 in Ireland to Category:1359 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1360 in Ireland to Category:1360 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1361 in Ireland to Category:1361 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1363 in Ireland to Category:1363 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1364 in Ireland to Category:1364 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1367 in Ireland to Category:1367 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1368 in Ireland to Category:1368 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1371 in Ireland to Category:1371 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1372 in Ireland to Category:1372 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1374 in Ireland to Category:1374 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1375 in Ireland to Category:1375 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1376 in Ireland to Category:1376 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1377 in Ireland to Category:1377 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1378 in Ireland to Category:1378 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1379 in Ireland to Category:1379 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1380 in Ireland to Category:1380 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1381 in Ireland to Category:1381 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1382 in Ireland to Category:1382 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1383 in Ireland to Category:1383 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1386 in Ireland to Category:1386 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1387 in Ireland to Category:1387 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1388 in Ireland to Category:1388 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1390 in Ireland to Category:1390 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1392 in Ireland to Category:1392 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1393 in Ireland to Category:1393 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1395 in Ireland to Category:1395 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1396 in Ireland to Category:1396 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1397 in Ireland to Category:1397 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1398 in Ireland to Category:1398 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1401 in Ireland to Category:1401 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1404 in Ireland to Category:1404 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1405 in Ireland to Category:1405 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1406 in Ireland to Category:1406 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1411 in Ireland to Category:1411 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1412 in Ireland to Category:1412 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1413 in Ireland to Category:1413 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1414 in Ireland to Category:1414 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1415 in Ireland to Category:1415 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1417 in Ireland to Category:1417 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1418 in Ireland to Category:1418 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1419 in Ireland to Category:1419 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1420 in Ireland to Category:1420 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1423 in Ireland to Category:1423 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1424 in Ireland to Category:1424 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1426 in Ireland to Category:1426 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1430 in Ireland to Category:1430 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1431 in Ireland to Category:1431 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1436 in Ireland to Category:1436 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1437 in Ireland to Category:1437 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1441 in Ireland to Category:1441 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1442 in Ireland to Category:1442 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1443 in Ireland to Category:1443 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1446 in Ireland to Category:1446 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1448 in Ireland to Category:1448 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1449 in Ireland to Category:1449 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1450 in Ireland to Category:1450 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1451 in Ireland to Category:1451 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1452 in Ireland to Category:1452 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1454 in Ireland to Category:1454 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1455 in Ireland to Category:1455 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1456 in Ireland to Category:1456 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1459 in Ireland to Category:1459 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1460 in Ireland to Category:1460 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1461 in Ireland to Category:1461 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1463 in Ireland to Category:1463 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1469 in Ireland to Category:1469 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1472 in Ireland to Category:1472 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1474 in Ireland to Category:1474 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1475 in Ireland to Category:1475 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1476 in Ireland to Category:1476 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1477 in Ireland to Category:1477 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1478 in Ireland to Category:1478 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1480 in Ireland to Category:1480 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1482 in Ireland to Category:1482 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1483 in Ireland to Category:1483 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1484 in Ireland to Category:1484 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1485 in Ireland to Category:1485 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1487 in Ireland to Category:1487 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1488 in Ireland to Category:1488 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1490 in Ireland to Category:1490 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1491 in Ireland to Category:1491 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1492 in Ireland to Category:1492 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1493 in Ireland to Category:1493 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1495 in Ireland to Category:1495 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1496 in Ireland to Category:1496 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1497 in Ireland to Category:1497 in Europe
 * Propose merging Category:1499 in Ireland to Category:1499 in Europe


 * Propose merging Category:1111 establishments in Ireland to Category:1111 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1111 in Ireland to Category:1111 in Europe and Category:12th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1131 in Ireland to Category:1131 in Europe and Category:12th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1132 in Ireland to Category:1132 in Europe and Category:12th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1140s establishments in Ireland to Category:1140s establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1142 establishments in Ireland to Category:1142 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland


 * Propose merging Category:1147 establishments in Ireland to Category:1147 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1148 establishments in Ireland to Category:1148 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1150s establishments in Ireland to Category:1150s establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1151 in Ireland to Category:1151 in Europe and Category:12th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1152 establishments in Ireland to Category:1152 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1152 in Ireland to Category:1152 in Europe and Category:12th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1154 establishments in Ireland to Category:1154 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1158 establishments in Ireland to Category:1158 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1169 establishments in Ireland to Category:1169 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1169 in Ireland to Category:1169 in Europe and Category:12th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1170 establishments in Ireland to Category:1170 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1170s establishments in Ireland to Category:1170s establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1172 establishments in Ireland to Category:1172 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1172 in Ireland to Category:1172 in Europe and Category:12th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1174 in Ireland to Category:1174 in Europe and Category:12th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1175 in Ireland to Category:1175 in Europe and Category:12th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1178 establishments in Ireland to Category:1178 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1180 establishments in Ireland to Category:1180 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1182 establishments in Ireland to Category:1182 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1185 disestablishments in Ireland to Category:1185 disestablishments in Europe and Category:12th-century disestablishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1185 in Ireland to Category:1185 in Europe and Category:12th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1188 in Ireland to Category:1188 in Europe and Category:12th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1192 establishments in Ireland to Category:1192 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1194 establishments in Ireland to Category:1194 establishments in Europe and Category:12th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1204 in Ireland to Category:1204 in Europe and Category:13th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1207 establishments in Ireland to Category:1207 establishments in Europe and Category:13th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1210 establishments in Ireland to Category:1210 establishments in Europe and Category:13th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1215 establishments in Ireland to Category:1215 establishments in Europe and Category:13th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1216 establishments in Ireland to Category:1216 establishments in Europe and Category:13th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1220 establishments in Ireland to Category:1220 establishments in Europe and Category:13th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1223 establishments in Ireland to Category:1223 establishments in Europe and Category:13th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1224 establishments in Ireland to Category:1224 establishments in Europe and Category:13th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1225 establishments in Ireland to Category:1225 establishments in Europe and Category:13th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1229 establishments in Ireland to Category:1229 establishments in Europe and Category:13th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1230 in Ireland to Category:1230 in Europe and Category:13th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1232 establishments in Ireland to Category:1232 establishments in Europe and Category:13th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1234 in Ireland to Category:1234 in Europe and Category:13th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1235 in Ireland to Category:1235 in Europe and Category:13th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1244 establishments in Ireland to Category:1244 establishments in Europe and Category:13th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1247 in Ireland to Category:1247 in Europe and Category:13th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1253 establishments in Ireland to Category:1253 establishments in Europe and Category:13th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1257 in Ireland to Category:1257 in Europe and Category:13th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1260 establishments in Ireland to Category:1260 establishments in Europe and Category:13th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1260 in Ireland to Category:1260 in Europe and Category:13th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1261 in Ireland to Category:1261 in Europe and Category:13th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1264 establishments in Ireland to Category:1264 establishments in Europe and Category:13th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1268 establishments in Ireland to Category:1268 establishments in Europe and Category:13th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1270 in Ireland to Category:1270 in Europe and Category:13th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1292 in Ireland to Category:1292 in Europe and Category:13th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1315 in Ireland to Category:1315 in Europe and Category:14th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1316 establishments in Ireland to Category:1316 establishments in Europe and Category:14th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1316 in Ireland to Category:1316 in Europe and Category:14th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1317 in Ireland to Category:1317 in Europe and Category:14th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1318 in Ireland to Category:1318 in Europe and Category:14th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1320 establishments in Ireland to Category:1320 establishments in Europe and Category:14th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1326 establishments in Ireland to Category:1326 establishments in Europe and Category:14th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1328 establishments in Ireland to Category:1328 establishments in Europe and Category:14th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1329 in Ireland to Category:1329 in Europe and Category:14th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1330 in Ireland to Category:1330 in Europe and Category:14th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1334 establishments in Ireland to Category:1334 establishments in Europe and Category:14th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1350 in Ireland to Category:1350 in Europe and Category:14th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1351 establishments in Ireland to Category:1351 establishments in Europe and Category:14th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1363 establishments in Ireland to Category:1363 establishments in Europe and Category:14th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1366 in Ireland to Category:1366 in Europe and Category:14th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1374 establishments in Ireland to Category:1374 establishments in Europe and Category:14th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1375 establishments in Ireland to Category:1375 establishments in Europe and Category:14th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1378 establishments in Ireland to Category:1378 establishments in Europe and Category:14th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1385 in Ireland to Category:1385 in Europe and Category:14th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1390s in Ireland to Category:1390s in Europe and Category:14th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1394 in Ireland to Category:1394 in Europe and Category:14th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1399 in Ireland to Category:1399 in Europe and Category:14th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1410 in Ireland to Category:1410 in Europe and Category:15th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1433 establishments in Ireland to Category:1433 establishments in Europe and Category:15th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1439 establishments in Ireland to Category:1439 establishments in Europe and Category:15th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1448 establishments in Ireland to Category:1448 establishments in Europe and Category:15th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1451 disestablishments in Ireland to Category:1451 disestablishments in Europe and Category:15th-century disestablishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1462 in Ireland to Category:1462 in Europe and Category:15th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1465 establishments in Ireland to Category:1465 establishments in Europe and Category:15th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1467 in Ireland to Category:1467 in Europe and Category:15th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1468 in Ireland to Category:1468 in Europe and Category:15th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1470 establishments in Ireland to Category:1470 establishments in Europe and Category:15th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1470s establishments in Ireland to Category:1470s establishments in Europe and Category:15th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1474 establishments in Ireland to Category:1474 establishments in Europe and Category:15th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1480s establishments in Ireland to Category:1480s establishments in Europe and Category:15th-century establishments in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1494 in Ireland to Category:1494 in Europe and Category:15th century in Ireland
 * Propose merging Category:1497 establishments in Ireland to Category:1497 establishments in Europe and Category:15th-century establishments in Ireland


 * Propose deleting Category:1010s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1100s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1110s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1120s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1130s in Ireland


 * Propose deleting Category:1140s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1150s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1160s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1170s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1180s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1190s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1200s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1210s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1220s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1230s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1240s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1250s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1260s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1270s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1280s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1290s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1300s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1310s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1320s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1330s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1340s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1350s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1360s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1370s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1380s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1400s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1410s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1420s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1430s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1440s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1450s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1460s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1470s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1480s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1490s in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1110s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1160s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1180s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1190s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1200s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1210s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1220s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1230s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1240s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1250s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1260s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1310s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1320s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1330s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1350s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1360s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1370s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1430s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1440s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1460s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1490s establishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1180s disestablishments in Ireland
 * Propose deleting Category:1450s disestablishments in Ireland


 * Nominator's rationale: merge years to centuries per WP:SMALLCAT, the large majority of categories contain only one article. The tree of years in Ireland is a bit special because most content consists of articles like 1101 in Ireland. Categories that only contain an article like that require just one merge target, namely (in this example) Category:1101 in Europe; it does not require a dual merge to Category:12th century in Ireland because it is already in Category:Years of the 12th century in Ireland. Note for closing admin: the categorization of articles like 1101 in Ireland is controlled by Template:Year in Ireland. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:33, 22 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Question 1 For the two merge candidates, why is there a second candidate (the century)? Each of the "by year" already has the "by decade" as a parent. Isn't that the correct lowest level of diffusion? Why introduce the century when each "by decade" already has "by century" as a parent? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:57, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Question 2 Why single out Ireland for "by decade" deletions? Why about other European countries in the same period, for example, Category:1110s in Germany which has a single article? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:01, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * , IIRC, there was a much larger CfD for most of Europe months ago, and one of the criticisms there was to split up by country first. A few hundred at a time are better than thousands, and better than multiple country-specific nuances to geo-political self-identification.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  18:43, 23 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment once again the nom is trying to do too much at once. I think we should keep decades in Ireland.  Furthermore, I am not wholly convinced of the merits of merging national events to a continent-wide category, such as I deplore these thin thread categories.  Might it be better to abolish the templates that create such trees?  I suspect the nom has thought this out carefully, but I cannot support this nom without a clear assurance that the requisite checks have been done to ensure that no articles are left partly orphaned.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:57, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I am largely on the same page as and  - in that I don't understand why Ireland-specific cats alone are in scope, or why we are trying to do 25 different things at once here. There may be scope to declutter some of this area - for example by merging the contents of the year-specific cats (like Category:1180 in Ireland) to the decade-level cats (like Category:1180s in Ireland). But I have a problem with the targets proposed here (Category:12th century in Ireland and Category:1180 in Europe) for two reasons. The Ireland-specific target (Category:12th century in Ireland) will immediately become over-populated. And the Europe-level target (Category:1180 in Europe) seems too broad and loosely related to the subjects to represent an appropriate target (specifically I am unsure that we should be applying the modern boundaries and concepts of a European macro-region to 12th century subjects. I suspect that if you asked a 12th century Irish person about even the *concept* of Europe that they would look at you sideways. Yes, we ball-up these categories hierarchically today. But actually putting the sub-articles/etc in the macro-level cat? Not seeing it....) Guliolopez (talk) 16:44, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Reply on 1st criticism: in fact with this proposal there will not be over-population at all! If you check the nomination carefully, you will see that Category:12th century in Ireland will end up with about 10 articles directly in it, and so on for every next century. The centuries will in fact become very modestly populated. Note also that Ireland is not singled out this way: by far the most countries have century trees in the Middle Ages.
 * Reply on 2nd criticism: regarding Category:1180 in Europe as a merge target, while diffusion by continent may well be abolished (i.e. just have a Category:1180) that would require another nomination; however for the time being Category:1180 in Europe it is the immediate parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:25, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 12:21, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose In the past, I have supported many similar nominations. However, after processing many of them and wrestling with the resulting complexity, I had a rethink when I last encountered such a nom, earlier this year before my WikiBreak.  I came to the view that these merges are actually mistaken.
 * The rationale per WP:SMALLCAT, the large majority of categories contain only one article is of course true. It accuately states the guideline and accurately describes the state of these categories.
 * But it doesn't consider the fact these country-by-year categories are all accompanied by an effective navigation system which allows easy movemnent between them. Hence the main problem with smallcats (i.e. that they impede navigation) doesn't apply.  These categories are actually way easier to navigate thatn most heavily-populated categories.
 * So the reason for merger doesn't really apply.
 * Also, merger does actual harm. Because categorising articles from this period now requires two or three categories instead of one. Editors used to categorising by year will now have figure out what set of categories to apply, and many of them won't bother figuring out the new logic. So we will get incomplete categorisation, which is a real impediment to navigation. -- Brown Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 06:03, 10 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment You just figured this now? The mergers over the last couple of years have been a pain in the ass, and I have increasing trouble with actually locating articles. Dimadick (talk) 11:15, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I am equally surprised. Merger per WP:SMALLCAT normally always implies increasing the number of category links in an article, regardless whether the article is about history or about anything else. Should we then have a complete stop on all smallcat merge proposals? Likewise, categorization of every article implies you have to look where it fits in multiple trees. That is also not different in history than with any other topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:40, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * it seems to me that you were a little hasty in responding. You seem to have missed the point of what I wrote.
 * The issue with merging smallcats is a trade-off between the navigational difficulties caused by tiny categories, nad the hassles of articles needing multiple cats to replace one.
 * My point is that ''in the case of by-year categories' (and some other types which we are not discussing here), the navigational tools in use minimise or eliminate the downsides of small categories. That does not apply to many types of smallcats. but it does apply consistently to by-year categories.
 * So the result is that smallcat mergers of by-year categories are all pain, for little or no gain. -- Brown Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 22:09, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * PS take a look e.g. at Category:1494 in Ireland, which you have proposed upmerging.  It has excellent navigation to related categories.  Per WP:CAT, categories are all about navigation, so pease explain exactly how the purpose of helping readers navigate between articles would be improved by removing that category. -- Brown Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 22:13, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree that Ireland navigates better than many other countries in the same period did. Nevertheless three categories per century (the century itself with ~10 articles, the establishment subcat with ~15 articles and the years of century subcat with ~100 articles) navigate far easier than a hundred different categories per century. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:11, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Where do you get those numbers, ?
 * Petscan shows 374 articles in Category:15th century in Ireland+subcats, or 363 if we exclude establishments and disestablishments. If we exclude establishments and disestablishments and YYYY-in-Ireland, there are 300 pages.
 * If you are that far out on the numbers, little wonder you have a different perspective.  -- Brown Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 22:41, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Petscan also shows 15th-century people which are not part of the nomination. The counts of about 10/15/100 are directly based on the nomination, see above. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:28, 12 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Support all Am satisfied with the nominator's explanations to my questions. The proposals are an improvement on the situation. Multiple categories may be painful for editors to create but are better for overall navigation instead of a multiplicity of categories that will usually only contain 1 article. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:28, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * That assumes that editors will know which 3 categories to use in each case, instead of the one category they need to use now. If editors consistent;y understood these things, we wouldn't have 50–100 article per day triggering an entry in Special:WantedCategories.
 * If editors don't place each article in the complex set of categories which this merger will require for each article, then many readers simply won't find the articles. Making articles simple to categorise assists readers, because it increases the chances that article will be correctly categorised.
 * What methodology do you and/or propose to ensure that new articles are properly categorised in the new multi-cats-on-each-article structure which you propose?  And can you point to some record of how this strategy is being consistently and effectively applied across the other sets of categories which have been merged.
 * Are you running bots, or some set of AWB runs with custom modules? Or armies of volunteers manually checking?
 * So far as I can see, there is no such scheme in operation to monitor any of the previous merges ... and this merger proposal is based on the demonstrably false assumption that most editors have a perfect knowledge of the latest quirks of the category system, and limitless time to monitor it. The reality of a wiki is very different. -- Brown Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 22:41, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * When editors categorize articles, they always have to look first which categories currently exist because nobody will know the whole category structure by heart and besides the category structure is not static: new categories are being created all the time. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:37, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I note you chose not to address my question about what methodology you use to check that new articles are correctly categorised in all 3 categories. -- Brown Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 08:40, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I did implicitly. For existing articles, the CfD bot will do its work. For new articles, I'm assuming that all categorization is manual work. Best case, editors take a similar existing article as an example, including its categories, but there is no way we can control that. Of course, if you know of any more consistent methodology that ensures that articles are in all appropriate categories (in general), I'd be glad to know. Not only the history tree would benefit from that, but the entire categorization system would. Sidenote: occasionally I have seen instances of (suspected) automated categorization based on a rule: if word "X" occurs in an article, put the article in category "Y"; however I noticed this in cases where the result was obviously very wrong. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:30, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * So basically, no methodology. Just hope for the best and leave others to devise ways of cleaning up the mess :( -- Brown Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 04:42, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment -- One solution to BHG's complaint might be to leave cat-redirects, to tell editors what the correct categories for "1494 in Ireland" would be. I still think we should initially merge to "1490s in Ireland".  I am not sure how useful "1494 in Europe" will be, rather than the simple "1494".  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:02, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree on the latter. Once I've nominated the period up to 500 and later on also the period 500-999 for removing the continent layer in years and decades. It may become time to add the period 1000-1499 as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:11, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * @Peterkingiron: redirects wouldn't help much, because they would lead to population of only one the multiple categories which replaces them after merger. They may even be worse than nothing, because editors would be misled into thinking that applying "1494 in Ireland" would be sufficient. -- Brown Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 04:40, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose this achieves nothing apart from hindering navigation. Tim! (talk) 16:35, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Winter Olympic venues by year

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: relisted at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 October 19. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:22, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Winter Olympic venues by year i.e. Category:2018 Winter Olympics venues to Category:2018 Winter Olympic venues, and back to 1924 i.e. Category:1924 Winter Olympics venues to Category:1924 Winter Olympic venues. Also all intermediate years (1928, 1932, 1936, 1948, 1952, 1956, 1960, 1964, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1994, 1998, 2002, 2006, 2010; & 2014: all tagged).
 * Nominator's rationale: While only the 2022 category (Category:2022 Winter Olympic venues) uses "Olympic" rather than "Olympics"; all the Summer Olympics use "Olympic". Hence it seems preferable to change (e.g. to Category:2018 Winter Olympic venues etc.) so as to have the same format as for the Summer Olympics (see e.g. Category:2016 Summer Olympic venues). Hugo999 (talk) 10:57, 8 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per nom.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 11:14, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose For me, the word "Olympics" should stand as a plural. I think for example "2018 Winter Olympic venues" looks wrong as it contains the familiar name "2018 Winter Olympics" but with the 's' missing, so it just looks unfinished. "2018 Winter Olympics venues" seems correct as it describes venues of the "2018 Winter Olympics". Personally I'd prefer to see all the summer categories changed to "???? Summer Olympics venues". I can see that the singular version matches the idea of an "olympic venue" in which the word 'olympic' is an adjective describing the venue, but I think it's more important to retain the familiar plural word "Olympics" in this case. An alternative suggestion would be renaming to "Olympic venues of the 2018 Winter Olympics" but this might seem too wordy. Rodney Baggins (talk) 10:22, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Further comment While the possessive "Olympics" applies to events so Category:2018 Winter Olympics events as the events are part of the Olympics; the Olympic venues do not belong to the Olympics, but are associated with a particular Olympics; hence the category Category:2016 Summer Olympic venues (with "Olympic" not "Olympics") for venues associated with that Olympics. Hugo999 (talk) 02:05, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * In which case why not just call it "Category:2016 Olympic venues" or "Category:Venues of the 2016 Summer Olympics" Rodney Baggins (talk) 05:43, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

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 * Support ALT rename to, etc. 185.146.122.95 (talk) 11:24, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Rename all per nom, to match the format used in Category:Summer Olympic venues by year. Whatever the merits of either option, inconsistency helps nobody. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 06:20, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * alt rename "Venues of the xx Olympics" - seems like an acceptable compromise for both sides. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 13:57, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Prayers in the Catholic Church
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Roman Catholic prayers. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:18, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Prayers in the Catholic Church to Category:Catholic prayers
 * Nominator's rationale: This was originally called Category:Roman Catholic prayers, and it was requested to be speedily moved to Category:Catholic prayers. This was objected to, and with just one commenter and the nominator it was moved to its present title. But it should not have been a speedy nomination in the first place, even though the original proposal is the best option. It was argued that the main article is Prayer in the Catholic Church, but that is about prayer in general, whereas this is a category of specific prayers. Also, the prayers are not "in the Catholic Church" (whatever that means) but said by Catholics - hence, using "Catholic" as an adjective is the best option here. StAnselm (talk) 09:16, 16 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Support. On a further note, Catholic prayers was merged into Prayers in the Catholic Church. It is even possible that the merged main article's name should in fact be Catholic prayer(s)? Chicbyaccident (talk) 12:58, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Revert move to original name Category:Roman Catholic prayers. I would expect Roman Catholics and Eastern Catholics to have different prayers as thay have different liturgy, although some may be common. Place Clichy (talk) 15:57, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: Given that the previous discussion was so poorly attended, if there is no consensus here I do believe it should go back to Category:Roman Catholic prayers. StAnselm (talk) 18:40, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I do not have a strong opinion about the proposed rename. However, as most of these prayers are not based on a translation/adaptation from Greek to Latin (Hail Mary seems to be an exception in this respect), it would be reasonable to rename the category to Category:Prayers in the Latin Church or Category:Prayers of the Latin Church, per article Latin Church, and to parent it to Category:Latin Church. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Well. I was the one creating Category:Latin Church in 2016, which didn't even exist prior to that. This year, came around, arguing that "Category:Roman Catholic X" has always connoted things pertaining to Category:Latin Church. And it seems a few others are now complying with that interpretation. Yet, I would like to make the  remark here: even if we theoretically could subcategorise everything into a Category:Latin Church tree, it doesn't mean that we have to, and oftentimes doesn't it even border WP:OR; that is lacking sources to back that assertion up, simply? For subjects that can very well present an overview of Category:Catholic Church things irrespective of particular churches sui iuris, I would argue that we should be even more cautious not to subcategorise then (implicatedly by article title). I don't see why we should overdo it. Wouldn't this be one such occation? Chicbyaccident (talk) 10:49, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * True, in general, but I am inclined to make an exception for matters concerning liturgy, because that is where you find the one key difference between western and eastern Catholics. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:30, 18 September 2018 (UTC)


 * comment On one level I support the rename, but it's unclear to me what the scope of this is. If it's prayers used in the RC Church, then it's too small and would overlap with other church's categories; if it's prayers of RC origin, well, I think that's better but this would need to be made clear. Mangoe (talk) 18:08, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Revert move to original name Category:Roman Catholic prayers, to avoid ambiguity. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 07:47, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Roman Catholic is ambiguous. It may be used as an adjective related to Catholic Church, it may also be used as an adjective related to Latin Church. Especially in this case the distinction is relevant. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:36, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Roman Catholic is much less ambiguous than plain "Catholic". -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 17:37, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that's kind of an archaic assertion on Wikipedia these days. The main conflict now seems to be when "Latin Church" categorisation is actually relevant and when it's not, whereas some propose the adjective "Latin Church" is "Roman Catholic". Chicbyaccident (talk) 09:07, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The partial success of your attrition strategy does not alter in either direction the ambiguity of the unqualified term "Cathoic". -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 06:28, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

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 * Coming back to the issue of ambiguity, the alternative proposal Category:Prayers in the Latin Church or Category:Prayers of the Latin Church certainly does not lead to ambiguous names. Just generally, I think we should avoid "Roman Catholic" anyhow (as too ambiguous), and we should avoid "Catholic" and "Catholicism" unless we mean that it includes independent Catholic churches. In many cases we should use "of the Catholic Church" instead of "Catholic" or "Roman Catholic" and in rare instances a "Latin Church" subcategory may be created (while this nomination is imho such a rare instance). Marcocapelle (talk) 12:55, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * We definitely need to avoid "in the Church". "Of the Church" is a bit better, but it implies an official, authorised prayer, which many of these are not. Reading through the discussion, I'm inclined to go back to the stable, consensus version of Category:Roman Catholic prayers. StAnselm (talk) 18:39, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The point is that this spirituality is not essentially a product of the Church or organised by the Church, but a matter of individual believers, writers or clerics. The believers pray, not the Church. Place Clichy (talk) 00:07, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Praying definitely is a matter of sprirituality, but these prayers are part of the liturgical tradition of the Catholic Church. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * trying to revive this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:02, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This discussion seems to move quite clearly towards a consensus for a revert move to Category:Roman Catholic prayers, especially since nominator seems to condone this result . StAnselm, I suggest you make this change of position even clearer by mentioning it in the lead. Place Clichy (talk) 00:07, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This discussion seems to move quite clearly towards a consensus for a revert move to Category:Roman Catholic prayers, especially since nominator seems to condone this result . StAnselm, I suggest you make this change of position even clearer by mentioning it in the lead. Place Clichy (talk) 00:07, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Revert move to original name Category:Roman Catholic prayers, to reduce ambiguity. Chicbyaccident's repeated assertions that Roman Catholic is archaic do not make it so. (A Google search on "Roman Catholic" 2018 gets 34 million hits, with 140,000 in en.wikipedia.) Oculi (talk) 21:51, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * None has said it is archaic from a statistical approach outside of Wikipedia. Neither is "papist". A search on the Internet for "papist" will render 100,000s and 100,000s of hits. However, none of these desginations are applied on Wikipedia as an accepted WP:COMMONNAME for the whole Catholic Church. Chicbyaccident (talk) 07:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * So it is archaic on Wikipedia despite the endless submissions to cfd on the topic and the presence of the term throughout articles (as many articles have been renamed but include 'Roman Catholic' throughout the text, eg Catholic Church includes the phrase "Roman Catholic" 21 times, archaically), but not archaic outside Wikipedia? (A search on "papist" 2018 gives 27,000 ghits. Note the 2018.) Oculi (talk) 21:40, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Submissions recent years seem to contradict your assertion, don't they? "Roman Catholic" for the whole church is archaic also in terms of article text content it seems, yes, although some users have made some contributions of maintaince on that. Chicbyaccident (talk) 09:17, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Chicbyaccident's obsession with elininating the term "Roman Catholic" by endless salmai slicing is not eveidence of archaism. It is evidenve of an attrition strategy to push a POV. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 06:26, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Articles, categories and text content that didn't pertain to the Latin Church but to Catholic Church leaned heavily towards "Catholic" rather "Roman Catholic" long before the proposals of more consistency of me and others. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:38, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen any evidence to support that. And sorry,, but given your repeated misrepresentation of much simpler and narrower issues at CFD and CFDS, I attach zero weight to your unevidenced assertion of staistics.
 * The usage in individual articles may be such that the greater specificity of "Roman" is not needed. Or it may be that the editor(s) involved were like you on a mission to eliminate the qualifier.
 * However, categories appear at the bottom of an article without qualification or explanation, and when editors add categories to an anrticle, no explanation or clarification appears. So in category titles the extra clarity of "Roman" is needed. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 22:20, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, the arguments have been repeated ad nauseam. Let's just conclude that your position reflects a minority view. Chicbyaccident (talk) 00:10, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * You are of course free to conclude whatever you like, but I decline your invitation to follow. I suggest instead: let's conclude that you are confusing the partial success of your attrition strategy with a consensus in favour of your preferred position.  -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 01:07, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The "minority view" comment is clearly a joke, or, at the very least, wishful thinking. Place Clichy (talk) 00:07, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The "minority view" comment is clearly a joke, or, at the very least, wishful thinking. Place Clichy (talk) 00:07, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia categories named after Roman Catholic families
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:15, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Wikipedia categories named after Roman Catholic families to Category:Roman Catholic families
 * Nominator's rationale: Don't really understand. Doesn't the destination category suffice? Chicbyaccident (talk) 12:56, 16 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. There is no reason to have two categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:33, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. The Wikipedia one is a tracking category used for maintenance purposes, and as such it is hidden from the category list. It provides a flat list of all such categories, whereas  Category:Roman Catholic families is hierarchical. All the info in my previous para was available to the nominator, who should have done a little checking before nominating. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 07:53, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * What exactly is this maintenance about? And why can't this maintenance be based on Category:Roman Catholic families? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

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 * Keep - these are completely different as the first is a category of categories and the 2nd one is, or should be, a set category. Per BHG, the former yields a flat list of all such categories, whereas Category:Roman Catholic families is a standard hierarchical category of articles. Oculi (talk) 21:39, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It is obvious how the two categories differ, but it is still not clear (to me) why we need both of them. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:48, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Because like other such maintenance categories, Category:Wikipedia categories named after Roman Catholic families is a flat list containing all 110 catgories. However, to Category:Roman Catholic families has only 35 subcats, the rest being buried in deeper levels.  The hierarchical format is more useful for navigation, but the flat format is better for maintenance.  Horses for courses.
 * We have many thousands of other such maintenance cats, so I am v surprised that this one should raise objections. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 22:25, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Good arguments by . I agree with the user on this. Chicbyaccident (talk) 00:11, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * It is correct that the objection does not apply to this category specifically. Also in previous discussions about maintenance categories, there is seldom a specific answer on the question what maintenance takes place. It is well possible that many maintenance categories exist just because, while nobody knows if any kind of maintenance really takes place. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:25, 11 October 2018 (UTC)


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Conflicts by millennium, century and decade up to 1000 AD
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 * The result of the discussion was:  at 2018 OCT 15 CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:55, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1st-millennium BC conflicts to Category:1st-millennium BC military history
 * Propose renaming Category:1st-millennium conflicts to Category:1st-millennium military history
 * Propose renaming Category:10th-century BC conflicts to Category:10th-century BC military history
 * Propose renaming Category:9th-century BC conflicts to Category:9th-century BC military history
 * Propose renaming Category:8th-century BC conflicts to Category:8th-century BC military history
 * Propose merging Category:7th-century BC conflicts to Category:7th-century BC military history
 * Propose merging Category:6th-century BC conflicts to Category:6th-century BC military history


 * Nominator's rationale: rename/merge as follow-up on this previous discussion. In Antiquity and Middle Ages "conflicts" and "military history" nearly coincide in terms of Wikipedia content. In the previous discussion there was a preference to use the somewhat broader term "military history". This nomination only considers the period up to 1000 AD, because from there on the conflicts tree starts diffusing by year, so for the period of 1000-1499 there will be another follow-up nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * pinging discussants in the previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Support -- This implements my vote for reverse merge on the previous discussion. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:10, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep all and create all the targets as parent categories. There will be articles on military history in the XXXs which are not conflicts. Oculi (talk) 18:48, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep all and create all the targets as parent categories. I agree with Oculi's reasoning. Dimadick (talk) 05:16, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The question is not whether there will be articles on military history in the XXXs which are not conflicts, the question is whether in these distant periods we may expect a reasonable number of articles per category (i.e. per century or per decade) that are not conflicts. Currently that is not the case at all, for example we only have 11 articles about military alliances in the entire antiquity. WP:OVERLAPCAT does not require that categories are 100% overlapping, it just requires a large overlap. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * There are treaties as well. Look at Category:1957 in military history: there are many items which are neither conflicts nor alliances nor treaties. It is not 'overlapcat' at all - any subcat always overlaps completely with a parent cat. A conflict is best categorised as a conflict. Oculi (talk) 12:46, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The amount of content in 1957 is entirely incomparable with ancient and medieval times. We have about 60 articles about treaties from the 5th century BC up to the 10th century AD, that is on average 0.3 articles on treaties per decade category. Of course any subcat always overlaps completely with a parent cat but here we have a case that the amount of content of the parent cat almost completely overlaps with one subcat, and this is what WP:OVERLAPCAT is about. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

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Years in Mexico
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge as below and to Category:Aztec Empire. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:49, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1428 in Mexico to Category:1428 establishments in North America and Category:15th-century establishments in Mexico (establishment of Aztec Empire)
 * Propose merging Category:1473 in Mexico to Category:1473 in North America and Category:15th century in Mexico
 * Propose merging Category:1486 in Mexico to Category:1486 in North America and Category:15th century in Mexico
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article per category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:34, 7 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Rename to Aztec Empire - at the time Mexico was referring to the Aztec Empire, not the modern Republic of Mexico.GreyShark (dibra) 06:47, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Category:Aztec history exists, I have no objection creating a subcategory Category:Aztec Empire in it and having that as a second merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:28, 11 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Support with addition of Category:Aztec Empire.Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:38, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Support the Category:Aztec Empire proposal. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:02, 12 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Uttar Pradesh Wikipedians
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 * The result of the discussion was: no action required (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Question about Category:Uttar Pradesh Wikipedians
 * Nominator's rationale: The subcategories of this category have two different naming styles - which one is preferred? This category is for people from a specific state in India. The subcategories take that further down to specific cities within the state. Do we have a need to categorise people this closely, or should we stop at the state level? – numbermaniac  07:12, 7 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't think it matters at all what these categories are called.
 * Even the most populous subcat (Category:Wikipedians in Lucknow) had only 11 pageviews in the last 90 days.
 * Category:Uttar Pradesh Wikipedians itself has had only 19 pageviews in 90 days, 6 of them since this nom was opened.
 * So whatever the hopes of the editors who categorise themselves in this way, the reality is that these categories are almost unused. They are simply a byproduct of the prolific work of one editor who has been busy adding categories to userboxes. -- Brown <span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired Girl (talk) • (contribs) 01:21, 11 October 2018 (UTC)


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Years and decades in the Maya civilization
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:49, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1440s disestablishments in the Maya civilization to Category:1440s disestablishments in North America and Category:15th-century disestablishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:1441 establishments in the Maya civilization to Category:1441 establishments in North America and Category:15th-century establishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:1443 establishments in the Maya civilization to Category:1443 establishments in North America and Category:15th-century establishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:1461 disestablishments in the Maya civilization to Category:1461 disestablishments in North America and Category:15th-century disestablishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:1461 in the Maya civilization to Category:1461 in North America and Category:15th century in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:1470s establishments in the Maya civilization to Category:1470s establishments in North America and Category:15th-century establishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:1506 in the Maya civilization to Category:1506 in North America and Category:16th century in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:1507 in the Maya civilization to Category:1507 in North America and Category:16th century in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:1538 disestablishments in the Maya civilization to Category:1538 disestablishments in North America and Category:16th-century disestablishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:1541 disestablishments in the Maya civilization to Category:1541 disestablishments in North America and Category:16th-century disestablishments in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:1546 in the Maya civilization to Category:1546 in North America and Category:16th century in the Maya civilization
 * Propose merging Category:1547 disestablishments in the Maya civilization to Category:1547 disestablishments in North America and Category:16th-century disestablishments in the Maya civilization
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, nearly every category contains only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 7 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Question - Marcocapelle you constantly nominate categories for merger under the SMALLCAT criteria. Do you understand that SMALLCAT is NOT referring to a small number of articles within a category right now, but that the category cannot reasonably contain a sufficient number of articles ever? Do you believe that century level for Maya civilization is sufficient? maybe decades level categorization could be well populated as well?GreyShark (dibra) 06:18, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Of course by the time the amount of articles on this topic becomes a tenfold of what we have now it will make perfect sense to create decade categories as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 10 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose per my comments above on #Medieval Ireland. I suggest an RFC on country-by-years categories, where we can consider how dfferent aproaches work in arange of scenarios, rather than tackling individual instances piecemeal. --06:34, 10 October 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrownHairedGirl (talk • contribs)
 * The navigational situation here is a lot worse than in Ireland above. Navigating from 1507 to 1538 disestablishments is a real pain in the ass. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:34, 11 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Support- These are overly specific categorisations, and an appropriate appeal to WP:SMALLCAT. I think it's unlikely that, say, further Mayan chiefdoms abolished by the Conquistadores in 1547 will be discovered. <b style="color: Maroon;">Reyk</b> <b style="color: Blue;">YO!</b> 06:36, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Support The proposal is an improvement to navigation. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:40, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Support -- Recent consensus is that categories should have at least 5 items in them. The 15th C disest will still only have two about three. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:11, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose this nomination achieves nothing and hinders navigation. Tim! (talk) 16:38, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Superhero films featuring Anti-Heroes
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:11, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting superhero films featuring anti-heroes


 * Nominator's rationale: None of the entries I reviewed in this category had any discussion of the subjects of the respective films being "anti-heroes", and even if they did, it's unclear that in general the characters being "anti-heroes" rather than superheroes is a defining characteristic. It may be possible to salvage this category with more care, or a list may be more appropriate. I'm happy to entertain better suggestions. Not suggesting an upmerge as I believe all of the films here are already in Category:Superhero films by virtue of other cats. DonIago (talk) 05:42, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Support: Personally, I think this is too vague and non-defining. What is an anti-hero may be debated by different commentators—it's more of a spectrum than a binary. Wouldn't oppose a list, though. Catrìona (talk) 23:46, 7 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Support: I agree with Catriona. The criterion is too vague and insufficiently defining. I'm also not sold on the idea of numerous subcats each containing just a handful of articles. <b style="color: Maroon;">Reyk</b> <b style="color: Blue;">YO!</b> 06:28, 10 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete merely "featuring" something oughtn't define a film. Category:Films featuring a doorbell, anyone? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:04, 12 October 2018 (UTC)


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