Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 11



Category:Purges murder in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 13:53, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting purges murder in fiction


 * Nominator's rationale: Odd naming and contains only two films. It is also very similar to Category:Films about mass murder and Category:Genocide in fiction, and just too specific in general. Sandrobost (talk) 23:37, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment Why is this is the mass-murder category tree? Purges involve removal of "undesirable" people for political or religious reasons. The targeted people may be imprisoned or exiled, without being killed. The purges in the Soviet Union for example, typically involved sending the "undesirables" to the Gulag (forced labor camp system). Purges are another form for political repression. Dimadick (talk) 15:27, 17 September 2018 (UTC)


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Category:iOS (Apple)

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 11:03, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:iOS (Apple) to Category:iOS
 * Nominator's rationale: per main article, iOS.89.139.68.161 (talk) 22:49, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: note that Category:iOS (lowercase i) is the same as Category:IOS in terms of Wiki coding, so this should only go ahead if Apple iOS is very strongly the primary meaning of iOS or IOS. Note that there are several other meanings, see IOS (disambiguation), although some of them would not normally be capitalised. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:31, 14 September 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Songs written by Jedward

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:31, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting songs written by jedward


 * Nominator's rationale: We do not do songwriters by band name - which is the marketing term used to sell records. Members of a band can change, but the songwriting credits do not. Here is a sample previous discussion which also refers to other Discussions. Richhoncho (talk) 16:04, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * So why not move to the pair's names??? Johnbod (talk) 04:11, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * . Because neither person has an article and there is only one song written by either of them at present. --Richhoncho (talk) 09:24, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * As you've successfully argued in CfD before, the writer(s) of a song is a defining characteristic even if the writer does not have an article. Is this a SMALLCAT argument then? Johnbod's suggestion below seems reasonable: use both names and split if they write notable songs independently. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 19:14, 13 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep/rename If you want to delete as "small & unlikely to expand", say so, but that is a weak argument. They have a double biography as Jedward, and deserve a songwriter category, either as a pair or using both names. It could be renamed if they split up. Specious nom. Johnbod (talk) 13:31, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I would argue small cat if either a) there were a number of songs to be joined together, or, b) the songwriters had their own articles. If separated where would a searcher go, other than to the category? And no it is not a specious argument. --Richhoncho (talk) 20:03, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You're talking about the exception to small categories, but WP:SMALLCAT says to "avoid categories that, by their very definition, will never have more than a few members", which seems to be your argument here. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:07, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Not at all. My nomination is clear, the band name 'Jedward' is a marketing name, no more, no less (Example: Without mentioning marketing names who had no part in the creation of a song, how many of The Beatles were on the Beatle song, 'She's Leaving Home?'). If you think the two individual songwriters should be split into to categories, then do it, I will not be objecting, but I am still failing to find any WP advantage in any such action. --Richhoncho (talk) 23:20, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
 * No doubt both names redirect to Jedward, so that is where a searcher would go. Johnbod (talk) 03:18, 14 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Jedward is the combination name used by the two brothers working together in music and and TV. A similar example might be Category:Songs_written_by_Lennon–McCartney which exists for the works those men wrote together and the have separate categories for the works they wrote as individuals. CallyMc (talk) 11:34, 4 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Romani people and Romanipen in Romania

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 14:24, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Romani people and Romanipen in Romania to Category:Romani in Romania
 * Nominator's rationale: Romanipen (a redirect to Romani society and culture) is defined (in short) as Romani spirit, culture, law, being a Romani, a set of Romani strains. Therefore, these categories seem to serve exactly the same purpose and refer to exactly the same ethnic and cultural group. Note that Category:Romanian Romani people (for individual people) is not affected by this nomination. Place Clichy (talk) 14:20, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge (possibly reverse merge). We do not need both.  Peterkingiron (talk) 10:05, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge (creator !vote) Note that back when this was created, 11 years ago, it looked like the category nomenclature was going to follow this pattern; someone decided against it, and created a secondary category, which has a more suitable name. S/he should've merged both back then. Dahn (talk) 06:31, 15 September 2018 (UTC)


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Metropolitan boroughs

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 * The result of the discussion was: no action required (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 20:04, 18 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Please discuss at Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 10, this was done over 2 days as there were so many categories.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 12:23, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Foster Farms Bowl

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 14:24, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Foster Farms Bowl to Category:San Francisco Bowl
 * Nominator's rationale: The game has been renamed to the San Francisco Bowl, no longer known as Foster Farms Bowl. PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 12:22, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. As a matter of fact, why is a discussion even needed? You could have just been bold, created the new San Francisco Bowl category yourself, and moved all the pages there. Tom Danson (talk) 15:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I did that for the Cheez-It bowl category, but I wasn't sure if that was frowned upon. I will do that with the champion seasons subcategory. PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 19:09, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination.  the subcategory Category:Foster Farms Bowl champion seasons should be similarly renamed. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:02, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Free Linux distributions

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; place subcategory Category:Free software only Linux distributions in Category:Linux distributions and Category:Free software operating systems. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:37, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting free linux distributions


 * Nominator's rationale: "Free" is ambiguous as most Linux distributions are free of charge, there is only one subcategory: and that being more specific, this category obviously isn't needed. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 08:56, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯ xplicit 04:10, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support, a category only containing one subcategory is not useful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * shouldn't this be merged to some of the parents: Category:GNU Project, Category:GNU Project software, Category:Linux distributions?
 * The sub-cat is already in the other parent, Category:Free software only operating systems. I also note that by Marcocapelle's rationale, that parent should be nominated for merger to its sole parent Category:Free software operating systems as it has no other content. If that is to happen, then do we need to keep the sub-cat, or should that be merged to the nominated category instead? – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:07, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * With regard to the former, it should be merged to Category:Linux distributions, perhaps also to Category:GNU Project software, not to Category:GNU Project because that is the parent category of Category:GNU Project software. With regard to the latter, certainly agree with nominating Category:Free software only operating systems for the same reason as I support this nomination, while I am neutral about merging to Category:Free Linux distributions. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:12, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: With alternative below; those categories are now also tagged

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:24, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Alternative nomination:
 * Propose merging free software only linux distributions
 * Propose deleting free software only operating systems
 * I am adding this as a formal alternative nomination, hoping that this will clarify the options. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:24, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Support the original nomination to delete Category:Free Linux distributions, but retain Category:Free software only Linux distributions as a child category of Category:Linux distributions and Category:Free software operating systems. Category:Free Linux distributions is just too linguistically ambiguous, whereas Category:Free software only Linux distributions is much more clear a title. - Ahunt (talk) 11:37, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * (I prefer merging Category:Free software only Linux distributions to Category:Free Linux distributions. As I understand it nothing but software is distributed. Rathfelder (talk) 07:21, 14 September 2018 (UTC)


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Category:A.S.D. Nuova Cassino 1924 players

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 10:12, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:A.S.D. Nuova Cassino 1924 players to Category:A.S.D. Cassino Calcio 1924 players
 * Nominator's rationale: The club had renamed to A.S.D. Cassino Calcio 1924, as well as according to the official name in the current official website https://cassinocalcio1924.it Matthew_hk   t  c  10:54, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People associated with the Lockheed bribery scandals

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 10:13, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people associated with the lockheed bribery scandals


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCASSOC. We usually categorize people based on conviction, not based on association. Possibly include the content of the category in a separate section of the Lockheed bribery scandals article. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Principality of Galilee

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 * The result of the discussion was: Keep. Timrollpickering 14:31, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Principality of Galilee to Category:Galilee
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, the category only contains the eponymous article, a redirect and a subcategory. A full upmerge to all parents is not needed, the content is already in appropriate other Crusader categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:20, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. The rest of the category (subcat and article Toron) can very well fit in Place Clichy (talk) 14:35, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - we have an article Principality of Galilee and it is easily expandable as just done by myself to 7 articles. Can be doubled or tripled with a little more research and effort.GreyShark (dibra) 12:00, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep -- There is now enough content to keep. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:09, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep -- There is now enough content to keep. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:09, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Not a small category. A merge would also be misleading. The Principality included Beirut and Haifa, neither of which is included geographically in Galilee. Dimadick (talk) 15:36, 17 September 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People from Bethania, North Carolina

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 10:13, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Bethania, North Carolina to Category:People from Forsyth County, North Carolina
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small one-county community with just two entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:19, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom The town is 3-centuries old, but never grew into a major settlement. It has a smaller population that several villages. It is unlikely we can populate this category with many articles. Dimadick (talk) 15:41, 17 September 2018 (UTC)


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