Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 September 27



Category:The Beatles templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting the beatles templates


 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:WikiProject The Beatles templates. Also, the current scheme will put templates into the categorization of articles; that's not always bad but it's probably better to avoid, especially when these are duplicate schemes. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:28, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I created this category, but I now think you're right. Charles Essie (talk) 21:47, 3 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People of Huguenot descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:18, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting north american people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting south american people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting argentine people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting australian people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting british people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting canadian people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting caribbean people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting continental european people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting croatian people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting czech people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting danish people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting dominican republic people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting dutch people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting english people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting french people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting german people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting indian people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting irish people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting jamaican people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting namibian people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting new zealand people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting norwegian people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting polish people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting russian people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting scottish people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting south african people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting swedish people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting swiss people of huguenot descent


 * Propose deleting turkish people of huguenot descent


 * Nominator's rationale: As with the "Alsatian people" tree that I nominated yesterday, Huguenot is not a defining ethnicity or nationality for the purposes of "descent" categorization -- all it means is that the person had ethnically French ancestors who were Protestants instead of Catholics. That does not necessarily have any bearing on a person's own lived reality -- I have a line of Huguenot ancestry, but that fact tells you less than nothing about me because my Huguenots married Lutherans who married Ukrainian Orthodox Catholics who married Roman Catholics who begat lapsed Catholic "spiritual but not religious" moi. So if a person cannot be directly added to itself, then happening to have one or more Huguenot ancestors is not an appropriately defining characteristic for the purposes of categorization. We do not normally categorize people by the Catholicism or Protestantism of their ancestors, and Huguenots don't have a strong claim to being a special case. Bearcat (talk) 19:53, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Support. To some extent Huguenots were a special case, because they were an exceptionally large group of people who left France by the end of the 17th century. But Huguenot descent is of course not defining for 20th-century and 21st-century people. Instead it would be more useful to have e.g. Category:Huguenot migrants to Scotland in the tree of Category:17th-century people. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep but purge. The Huguenots were a Protestant community in France, many of whom emigrated to avoid forced conversion to Catholicism or expropriation of their assets.  Huguenot descent would be highly significant for those who fled Catholic persecution during the French Wars of Religion and following the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes.  However this will only be a significant characteristic in people within a few generations of emigration from France.  Though there continues to be a French Protestant Church in London, though I suspect all its members have long since been assimilated.  I would not expect Huguenot ancestry to be significant in the biography of a person active even in the late 18th century; certainly not more recently.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:21, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Those few generations for whom it's meaningful are exactly the people who could legitimately be filed directly in anyway, and thus don't need this. Bearcat (talk) 17:49, 2 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete all while most "descent" categories are worthless; these are especially so since being descended from a combo of ethnicity + religion is almost impossible to be defining; everyone is descended from people of all sorts of religions: let me guess that nearly all Huguenots were descended from French Catholics (perhaps, a few were converts from something else, but that leads us to a similar end), so anyone of Huguenot descent is also of French Catholic descent, and 1500 years earlier likely from Gaulish Pagan descent, etc. Not defining, even if 100% of such ancestry; then we have folks who are 50%, 25%, 12.5%, and eventually a one-drop rule. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 05:42, 3 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and per Carlossuarez46- GregorB (talk) 14:06, 3 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:People of the European migrant crisis

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename, without prejudice to a re-nomination for discussion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:16, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People of the European migrant crisis to Category:Migrants of the European migrant crisis
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, "people" is too general and could potentially even include politicians involved in solving the European migrant crisis. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:52, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Support Easier for readers. Anatoliatheo (talk) 13:04, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Query we have lots of migrants of various epochs; will each be sufficiently defining for categorization? We have lots of people who fled Naziism, Communism, sorts, but we don't have every conceivable one; where do we draw the line? Category:Migrants of the post-World War I border adjustments? Category:Migrants of the Great Depression? Category:Migrants of the Peloponnesian War? and countless others...Carlossuarez46 (talk) 05:46, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Fair question and I do not have an answer right now. We do have Category:Jews who immigrated to the United Kingdom to escape Nazism as a precedent though. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:23, 3 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Biographical films about Butch Cassidy's Wild Bunch

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 * The result of the discussion was:  at 2018 OCT 6 CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:20, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Biographical films about Butch Cassidy's Wild Bunch to Category:Cultural depictions of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
 * Nominator's rationale: All of the films in the "Wild Bunch" category are included in the "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" category so there is no need for it to have its own category. Nicholas0 (talk) 19:39, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Mild oppose we'd better add Category:Cultural depictions of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid as a parent category of Category:Biographical films about Butch Cassidy's Wild Bunch instead of Category:Butch Cassidy's Wild Bunch and move all biographical films from Category:Cultural depictions of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid to Category:Biographical films about Butch Cassidy's Wild Bunch. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 5 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Southeast Asian Games medalists in speed skating

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:13, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Southeast Asian Games medalists in speed skating to Category:Southeast Asian Games medalists in short track speed skating
 * Nominator's rationale: Short track speed skating and regular (long-track) speed skating are considered two separate sports. Only short track has ever been contested at the Southeast Asian Games, and the medalists listed are all short-track medalists. Smartyllama (talk) 17:00, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Totally agrees with renaming this category on the bases of that speed skating and short track speed skating are considered as 2 – two different sports. The category also shows that there are only short track medalists that are categorised. So please move or rename this category as proposed. Migrant (talk) 14:06, 29 September 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Speed skating at the Southeast Asian Games

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Speed skating at the Southeast Asian Games to Category:Short track speed skating at the Southeast Asian Games
 * Nominator's rationale: Short track speed skating and speed skating are considered two distinct sports. Only short track has ever been contested at the Southeast Asian Games, and all articles in this category concern that. Smartyllama (talk) 16:59, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Totally agrees with renaming this category on the bases of that speed skating and short track speed skating are considered as 2 – two different sports. The category also shows that there are only short track events that are categorised. So please move or rename this category as proposed. Migrant (talk) 14:06, 29 September 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Internet Icon judges

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:14, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting internet icon judges


 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCASSOC. Most of these play a tiny role in a show which is usually not even particularly relevant to the rest of their careers. w umbolo   ^^^  14:05, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Support, this is not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:25, 5 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Dance Showdown contestants

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:14, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dance showdown contestants


 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCASSOC. w umbolo   ^^^  13:22, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Support, this is not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 5 October 2018 (UTC)


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Category:Introduction

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:13, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting introduction


 * Nominator's rationale: Not a category page. To my knowledge, there's no good CSD criteria for it. L293D (☎ • ✎) 02:23, 27 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as indiscriminate. Note that we already have Category:Introductions by country and Category:Introductions by year but I suppose the redirect that is currently in the nominated category does not fit in either. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:05, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * there's WP:G2. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) w umbolo   ^^^  14:07, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as a test edit, and see Virtual Reality (the category's only member) for what I mean. Looks to be a student trying to write an essay by using category tagging to organize their sections. It's the wrong way to do it, and even if it was not, their essay would be redundant to virtual reality. (I am watching this page, but you can ping me anyway if you really want to.) Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:59, 28 September 2018 (UTC)


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