Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 13



Category:Irish anesthesiologists

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Irish anaesthetists (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:07, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Irish anesthesiologists to Category:Irish anaesthesiologists
 * Nominator's rationale: Using Irish rather than American spelling. Kwekubo (talk) 22:59, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Rename - but perhaps to Category:Irish anaesthetists, in line with Category:British anaesthetists, renamed via this cfd. (All 4 of the present contents use 'anaesthetist'.) Oculi (talk) 15:00, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Support Oculi. The -ologists would in theory be people who studied the subject without practising it.  I doubt that happens much in practice.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:27, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Irish anaesthetists. The common term in the British Isles. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:52, 17 April 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Expatriates in the Republic of Ireland

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 * The result of the discussion was: do not merge. MER-C 09:36, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Expatriates in the Republic of Ireland to Category:Expatriates in Ireland
 * Nominator's rationale: Very small category. clearly two names for the same thing. Expatriates in Ireland‎ has 51 subcategories. They are not divided according to time - some were in Ireland when it was governed by Britain and some after 1922.  Main category is Category:Irish people, not Republic of Ireland people.   Rathfelder (talk) 13:52, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose - we have Category:Expatriates in the Republic of Ireland and Category:Expatriates in Northern Ireland, as I would expect. Also Category:Expatriates in the Republic of Ireland ought to include a lot of Ambassadors, and is already not at all small with 170 articles. Oculi (talk) 14:39, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Category:Expatriates in the Republic of Ireland has no articles at all, just two subcategories. The vast majority of biographical articles are in Category:Irish people. Category:People from the Republic of Ireland only has five articles. It appears to me that local usage favours the use of Ireland and Irish rather than Republic of Ireland. Rathfelder (talk) 22:38, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Articles in subcategories are of course also in all parent categories; an expatriate sportsperson in Ireland is an expatriate in Ireland. Category:Irish people contains Category:People from the Republic of Ireland and Category:People from Northern Ireland, as one would expect. Expatriates in the Republic of Ireland are not Irish at all. Oculi (talk) 23:00, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:IRE-CATS. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Oculi's arguments. Dimadick (talk) 10:18, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:IRE-CATS Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:32, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep -- We have long split Irish categories into NI and RoI, except in relation to all-Ireland institutions. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:29, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Support We consistently use Ireland/Irish to specifically refer to the country.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:14, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Support merge. Supporters of "Republic of Ireland" widely disregard the fact that Category:Expatriates in Ireland currently has 59 subcategories, no less, for expatriates in Ireland (the country) that are titled "Ireland", including the likes of British, English, Scottish and Welsh expatriate sportspeople in Ireland. Most other categories such as Category:Canadian expatriates in Ireland, Category:Canadian expatriate sportspeople in Ireland or Category:Fijian expatriate sportspeople in Ireland where articles regarding the main country are placed in the root category, and NI content is placed in a "Northern Ireland" subcategory. This seems to indicate, unsurprisingly, that "Ireland" is widely understood, in an expatriate category tree, as the country, as for Ambassadors (enforced in this CfD). This was also a very stable situation until recent changes on April 13. Either the ugly "Republic of Ireland" is enforced everywhere, or we can come back to the long-term stable situation for the 2 affected category pages. Place Clichy (talk) 17:37, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Not sure whether Republic of Ireland is ugly, but I am assuming that WP:IRE-CATS has been established after long discussions and we'd better stick to it. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:00, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you sure it applies here? The more generic WP:IRE-IRL guideline explicitely states that "Ireland" should be used for the state where the state forms a major component of the topic (e.g. on articles relating to states, politics or governance), which was the major rationale for the Foreign relations of Ireland CfD and is also the case here for "expatriates". Also, you do not address the fact that a keep result would not establish the stable situation you seem to imply as most expatriates in Ireland categories are currently using "Ireland" for the country, and have for some time until April 2019. Place Clichy (talk) 17:39, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:IRE-CATS has specifically been established for categorization so that overrules WP:IRE-IRL in this case. With respect to the 2nd point, an additional nomination is needed indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Category:Expatriates in Northern Ireland is grossly underpopulated. I would argue that you can only be an expatriate in a country, which Northern Ireland isn't.  The parent is Category:Expatriates by country of residence.  We dont have categories for expatriates in other provinces, I dont think. Rathfelder (talk) 11:43, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Arrow episode redirects to lists

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 20:08, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting arrow episode redirects to lists


 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Arrow (TV series) episode redirects to lists already has all the episode redirects. Gonnym (talk) 13:07, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment The category has already been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 02:29, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Expatriates in the Kingdom of Great Britain

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:01, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting expatriates in the kingdom of great britain


 * Nominator's rationale: This contains one subcategory: American expatriates in the Kingdom of Great Britain‎, which had one article, about an American who was actually living in Scotland. I dont think a proliferation of subcategories about the various legal forms of what is now the UK is very helpful.  The existence of the geographical subcategories of the UK enable us to avoid this. Rathfelder (talk) 10:53, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Query Will the nominator be alerting the Ancient Rome project that it's work is useless given the current Republic of Italy? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:04, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Ancient Rome was, apart from any other consideration, geographically different from the present Republic of Italy. An approach that is sensible in one context may not work in another.Rathfelder (talk) 12:39, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - Samuel L. Mitchill (removed by Rathfelder) is adequately categorized in . Oculi (talk) 12:17, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - it's more important for categories to be useful than to be precisely accurate, we don't have separate categories for the different Republics of France. Politically there was rather less difference between GB & UK than between the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire if you're going to go down that route, aside from the differences in territorial extent. Also, this category would end in 1801, when the whole concept of "expats" was rather different to what it is now. Le Deluge (talk) 08:05, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete also the empty sub-cat, whose content was presumably moved to Scotland. A rather useless category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:31, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


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Category:NCAA Men's Golf All-America

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:06, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ncaa men's golf all-america


 * Nominator's rationale: I know nothing about golf in the US, but this 1-member category feels like WP:OCAWARD Le Deluge (talk) 09:41, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete for Now I assumed the one article would be about the award, not just a single person who recieved it. Maybe a main article could help establish defining-ness, I'm not sure. But right now this category is not aiding navigation in any sense. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:48, 15 April 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Ovation Awards by year

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:02, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Ovation Awards by year to Category:Ovation Awards
 * Nominator's rationale: Pointless having a separate by year category when the parent is otherwise empty Le Deluge (talk) 09:25, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Support -- The content is articles on the annual awards so that OCAWARDS does not apply. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:33, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Support This layer can be helpful with larger award categories, such as Category:Academy Awards ceremonies. But here, it's adding an additional layer with no benefit. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:50, 15 April 2019 (UTC)


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Suwałki

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:02, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures in Suwałki to Category:Suwałki and Category:Buildings and structures in Podlaskie Voivodeship
 * Propose merging Category:Sport in Suwałki to Category:Suwałki
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, we currently have one building and one subcategory in sports, while the parent Category:Suwałki has also very little content. Suwalki is a city in Poland (69.000 people). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge for Now While there are obviously other buildings and sport activities, we are unlikely to get to 5 notable ones. (No objection to recreating if we do though.) RevelationDirect (talk) 01:59, 20 April 2019 (UTC)


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Utena

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:02, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures in Utena to Category:Utena and Category:Buildings and structures in Utena County
 * Propose merging Category:Companies based in Utena to Category:Utena
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, we currently have one building and one company, while the parent Category:Utena has also very little content. Utena is a city in Lithuania (27.000 people). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge for Now While there are obviously other buildings and companies, we are unlikely to get to 5 notable ones. (No objection to recreating if we do though.) RevelationDirect (talk) 01:59, 20 April 2019 (UTC)


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Vyškov

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:02, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures in Vyškov to Category:Vyškov and Category:Buildings and structures in the South Moravian Region
 * Propose merging Category:Tourist attractions in Vyškov to Category:Vyškov and Category:Tourist attractions in the South Moravian Region
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, we currently have one article (a zoo) in both categories, while the parent Category:Vyškov has also very little content. Vyškov is a town in the Czech Republic (22.000 people). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge for Now While there are obviously other buildings and attractions, we are unlikely to get to 5 notable ones. (No objection to recreating if we do though.) RevelationDirect (talk) 02:00, 20 April 2019 (UTC)


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Zájezd

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge & delete as specified in the nomination (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:03, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Zájezd
 * Propose deleting Category:Tourism in Zájezd
 * Propose merging Category:Buildings and structures in Zájezd to Category:Buildings and structures in the Central Bohemian Region
 * Propose merging Category:Tourist attractions in Zájezd to Category:Tourist attractions in the Central Bohemian Region
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, we currently have one article (a zoo) in the entire tree. Zájezd is a village in the Czech Republic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Ahhh Bless! Have you seen the cute photos? So adoreable! Delete. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:06, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Prime example of WP:SMALLCAT.--Darwinek (talk) 19:03, 18 April 2019 (UTC)


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Centuries in Algeria

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:03, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:10th century in Algeria to Category:Medieval Algeria
 * Propose merging Category:13th century in Algeria to Category:Medieval Algeria
 * Propose merging Category:14th century in Algeria to Category:Medieval Algeria
 * Propose merging Category:15th century in Algeria to Category:Medieval Algeria
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, we usually do not have century categories for countries that did not exist yet. In the Middle Ages Algeria often belonged to Islamic states centered in current Morocco or Tunisia. The Regency of Algiers, established in 1515, can be regarded as the earliest form of Algeria as a separate country. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Support With notable Polish exceptions, the nom is correct to state that "we usually do not have century categories for countries that did not exist yet". Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:40, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Le Deluge (talk) 09:29, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Churches in St. Gallen (city)

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:04, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in St. Gallen (city) to Category:Churches in the canton of St. Gallen and Category:Buildings and structures in St. Gallen (city)
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge, currently contains one subcategory. There may well be some possibility of expansion, but it is unknown if we would be able to decently fill up a whole category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Incidentally, there seems to be some inconsistency in the naming conventions of the Category:Cantons of Switzerland: some use "Canton of Foo", others just state "Foo". Wouldn't a consistent disambiguator be preferable (e.g. "Foo (canton)") ? A discussion for another day perhaps. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:45, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Living Legends of the American Academy of Nursing

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. A list of the current contents can be found at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 13. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:05, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Living Legends of the American Academy of Nursing
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
 * The Living Legends of the American Academy of Nursing is an award given by the American Academy of Nursing and doesn't have any corresponding physical museum. Some of the articles do mention the award in the lede but that appears to be the work of a single editor who also created this category. Clicking through the other articles though, this award doesn't seem defining. The contents of the category are already listified here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:26, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * DElete as OCAWARD: Listify if necessary, as usual for such categories. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:34, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Cuban Baseball Hall of Fame inductees

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:02, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Cuban Baseball Hall of Fame inductees
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, WP:NPOV, and WP:OCAWARD
 * The Cuban Baseball Hall of Fame can refer to three separate organizations:
 * A. Original Pre-Revolution: 1939-1961 in Havana, inducted a mix of All Cubans, minor, major, Negro league players
 * B. Exile in United States: 1962-1986, 1997-1998 in Miami, focused on Major League players.
 * C. Official Revival: 2014 in Havana, focused on Cuba national baseball team players. Having trouble finding later years.
 * The Exile and Revival ones both recognize inductees by the Original, but they definitely don't recognize each other. While all the inducted players have great athletic skills, perceived political allegience and emigration decisions also appear to be factors for admission. This Wikipedia category covers the Original and the Official Revival (but not the Exile one) which effectivley is taking a political position.  One possible solution would be to split this into three categories but none of the three awards seem particularly defining in the articles and these competing claims by rival organizations are better handled in the article space. The contents of the current category are already listified here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:25, 13 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete overcategorization by award.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:15, 21 April 2019 (UTC)


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