Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 25



Category:Segments from Allegro Non Troppo

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:38, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting segments from allegro non troppo
 * Nominator's rationale: This will never have more than six entries so it has WP:SMALLCAT problems. The main problem is WP:CATDEF as the use in the film is not a defining characteristic of the compositions themselves. Please don't get me wrong this film is a favorite of mine. I think it merits a mention in each of the six articles as it is here Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune, but a category on top of that is IMO overkill. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 23:18, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose The very definition of non-defining! Johnbod (talk) 17:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Uh that is what I said and why I made the nomination - it is a "non-defining characteristic" of the 6 pieces of music. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 23:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Johnbod probably did not read the text of your rationale. You might try contacting him/her. Dimadick (talk) 05:39, 2 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete, non-defining indeed. Can also be considered as a case of WP:PERFCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * DElete -- It has the feeling of a PERFCAT. If kept, allegro non troppo (film) would be a better name.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:54, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete This is one of my favorite films, and a lot could be written about its segments. But this is about the music of the segments, not the film itself. Dimadick (talk) 05:36, 2 May 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Places related to the Holy Spirit in religious history

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:09, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting places related to the holy spirit in religious history


 * Nominator's rationale: The edit history of this page shows disagreement about whether it is specifically for the Christian understanding of the Holy Spirit. At present it contains 4 entries: Baptism of Jesus (an event, not a place); Cenacle (the "Upper Room"), fair enough; Mount Horeb and Biblical Mount Sinai, 2 articles for the same Biblical place, related to YHWH but not specifically the Holy Spirit. Other places might be suggested by pages such as Baptism with the Holy Spirit, e.g. Ephesus (Biblical) and Azusa Street (modern church history). However, I can't think of a way that this category could be helpful to anyone, or made so. It's only WP:DEFINING for the locations of the Cenacle and of Jesus' baptism, among the current entries, but the identification of those locations is unclear. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:18, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Support, only one article really belongs here, and I do not see much growth possibilities. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Not support but agree with concept Places relevant to the Holy Spirit in religious history, because the Holy Spirit did not have any relatives who were spirits of places or the animistic containments within objects within those afore-mentioned places.. Sederecarinae (talk) 22:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * We have Category:Sacred sites for that (currently nominated for rename to Category:Holy places or Category:Sacred natural sites). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:27, 27 April 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Thittuvilai

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Cities and towns in Kanyakumari district. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 08:46, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Thittuvilai to Category:Cities and towns in Kanyakumari district
 * Nominator's rationale: Per SMALLCAT. Currently, it only contains the "primary article" for the category. Compare with the other subcategories of Category:Cities and towns in Kanyakumari district, which have at least 6 pages each. This should be upmerged until the number of articles warrants a separate category. DannyS712 (talk) 19:43, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 3 May 2019 (UTC)


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Category:People by historical province in Latvia
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Category:Intersectional LGBT topics
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 9%23Category:Intersectional LGBT topics

Category:Anti-abortion violence in the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: do not rename. MER-C 18:43, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Anti-abortion violence in the United States to Category:United States anti-abortion movement
 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Anti-abortion violence is a subcategory of Category:Anti-abortion movement. Because we don't have a category for the United States anti-abortion movement, the scope of this category should be expanded to include all topics within the movement. Category:Anti-abortion organizations in the United States and Category:American anti-abortion activists should be placed within this newly renamed category. feminist (talk) 09:44, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Totally oppose - This is a completely non-sensical and unnecessary proposal. There is no reason to rename and scrap a perfectly fine category. All that's needed is to create the desired category, which I will in fact do right now. Anomalous+0 (talk) 12:52, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have created Category:Anti-abortion movement in the United States. So please withdraw this proposal as it serves no purpose. Anomalous+0 (talk) 12:59, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I can't say that this category is perfectly fine either. We don't even have Anti-abortion violence in the United States as an article. We have to consider WP:NPOV as well for this category. feminist (talk) 14:20, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose - the move makes it seem as if the whole American anti-abortion movement is violent, while in fact it is a minority of the wider movement that practices violence. The category is sufficently populated and significant, no reason for renaming or deletion. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 16:10, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose This can be handled by adding an additional parent category, not by completely changing the scope of this one. Dimadick (talk) 07:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Retain both categories oppose, Category:Anti-abortion violence in the United States, is 1) violence 2) anti-aborthion 3) United States, Category:United States anti-abortion movement is a whole concept of a group activity with he express purpose of anti-abortion campaigning and activities. They are two different categories, both a notable, although perhaps the amount of violence caused by anti-abortion campaign might not be included as content in a very numerous quantity of articles. Sederecarinae (talk) 22:54, 26 April 2019 (UTC)


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Category:People who have been pied

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:38, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people who have been pied


 * Nominator's rationale: This category does not seem encyclopedic. The list upon which it is based (List of people who have been pied) is poorly sourced, tagged since 2018, with the first item for Donna Air being based on a YouTube video that is no longer available.   It might be acceptable to retain this category if it was not willy-nilly added to biographies of people for trivial and insignificant events that are just barely cover in WP:RS.   For all of the five individuals I checked, the event of "being pied" is not even listed in their articles--indicating how non-notable the event is. --David Tornheim (talk) 07:15, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * *Support Seems pretty trivial, at best. Mediatech492 (talk) 08:13, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:TRIVIALCAT. feminist (talk) 09:53, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as being non-defining.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 11:47, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - this is laughably irrelevant. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 20:50, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete – a good chuckle, but not appropriate for a scholarly encyclopedia. Agree with all comments above. AHampton (talk) 17:22, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I plead for impunity on this issue, don't punish a lame horse with an old oak branch - there are millions of articles, and the encyclopedia must be almost filled to the brim with irrelevant and somewhat clownishly silly topics existing for the whim and delectation of the casually inclined reader. This is the new world of encyclopedia, the concept of an updated modern variation on the traditional academically inclined encyclopedia of old should be easily acceptable if a for a moment interested editors notice the non-traditional subject(s) that already exist as articles within this encyclopedia, as is evidenced by the existence of  pied individual listings. To categorize allows people to view the list of categorized articles from the individual members listed, which is useful. Sederecarinae (talk) 23:08, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what that idiom means, but "keep because it's interesting" seems like an argument for keeping the list (which we are) but not necessarily the category (because trivial categories are considered clutter in article footers). -- Beland (talk) 20:22, 27 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Trivial and unnecessary for navigation. Reywas92Talk 03:04, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. BTW the term has more than one meaning so it is confusing as well. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 03:24, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete non-defining category. SportingFlyer  T · C  06:04, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete -- We already have a list, which is able to add detail of time place and circumstances. However, it needs a fuller explanation that this has nothing to do with piebald horses or pied wagtails, but being attached with a pie.  Even so, it is fairly trivial.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:59, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete This is silly. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 11:45, 30 April 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Hetmans of Livonia
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Every single state sub-category of Category:National museums of the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 18:39, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Alabama‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in California‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Colorado‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Florida‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Georgia (U.S. state)‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Illinois‎


 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Indiana‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Iowa‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Kansas‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Kentucky‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Louisiana‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Maryland‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Massachusetts‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Michigan‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Minnesota‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Missouri‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Nevada‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in New Jersey‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in New Mexico‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in New York (state)‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Ohio
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Oklahoma‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Pennsylvania‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Rhode Island‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in South Dakota‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Tennessee‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Texas‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Virginia‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Washington, D.C.‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Wisconsin‎
 * Propose Deleting Category:American national museums in Wyoming‎


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SHAREDNAME
 * A National museum is a concept that varies by country but they are generally federally funded major museums in national capitals. In the United States, that role is served by the Smithsonian Institution and it's in the parent category. The National Corvette Museum, National Construction Equipment Museum and National Ornamental Metal Museum all have "national" in their name but they are private foundations that don't match the main article. (Conversly, federal museums outside the capital that might fit an expansive definition like the Air Mobility Command Museum and Old Faithful Museum are not in this category tree.) I can't imagine what editor would want to navigate between these museums with no common thread other than their names. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:41, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Background We previously deleted Category:National halls of fame in the United States at CFD here. Articles from that deleted category like the National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame and the National Mining Hall of Fame are now in this tree. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:41, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Museums and WikiProject Smithsonian Institution. – RevelationDirect (talk) 02:41, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Support though "they are generally federally funded major museums in national capitals" is not really true (and most counties aren't "federal" at all in the US sense). In most countries it means museums funded and ultimately run by branches of the national government - in France and Italy for example. Especially in Italy they are all over the country. Also in the UK, although the term is not used so much there. Not some random marketing boast anyway. Johnbod (talk) 14:37, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarifications! RevelationDirect (talk) 14:56, 27 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment I checked A to K and all the members (or the target pages, for members that are redirects) are already in other sub-cats of to Category:museums in Alabama‎ etc, so no merge appears to be required. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:00, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Support Delete While Congress has specifically designated around 20 museums as National Museums (in addition to the Smithsonian I think), the unofficial private use of the term makes the use of it fairly meaningless for categorization here. No reason to separate these from other museums across the states. Reywas92Talk 19:38, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


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