Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 August 2



Austria at 1938 and Portugal at the 1990, 1994, 1998 FIFA World Cups

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete all. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:10, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Austria at the 1938 FIFA World Cup
 * Propose deleting Category:Portugal at the 1990 FIFA World Cup
 * Propose deleting Category:Portugal at the 1994 FIFA World Cup
 * Propose deleting Category:Portugal at the 1998 FIFA World Cup
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, Austria did not a play a game at the 1938 World Cup, and Portugal didn't qualify for any World Cup in the 1990s. KingSkyLord (talk) 20:58, 2 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment All of these categories have been emptied and could have been speedied. Liz Read! Talk! 02:37, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 13:11, 5 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete as empty categories. GiantSnowman 13:12, 5 August 2019 (UTC)


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2nd millennium in the colonial empires

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 10:03, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd millennium in the British Empire‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd millennium in the Cape Colony
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd millennium in British Malaya
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in the British Empire‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in the Cape Colony
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in British Malaya
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the British Empire‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Cape Colony‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium establishments in British Malaya‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd millennium in the French colonial empire
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in the French colonial empire‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the French colonial empire‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd millennium in French Indochina‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in French Indochina‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium establishments in French Indochina‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd millennium in German South West Africa‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium establishments in German South West Africa‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd millennium in the Portuguese Empire‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd millennium in Portuguese Guinea‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in the Portuguese Empire‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in Portuguese Mozambique‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Portuguese Empire‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium establishments in Portuguese Guinea‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium establishments in Portuguese Mozambique‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium establishments in Portuguese Timor‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd millennium in the Spanish Empire
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in the Spanish Empire‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Spanish Empire
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd millennium in the Spanish West Indies‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in the Spanish West Indies‎
 * Propose deleting Category:2nd-millennium establishments in the Spanish West Indies‎
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, the colonial empires existed entirely within the 2nd millennium so there is no need to diffuse them by millennium. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:35, 2 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete all -- Almost all millennium categories are unnecessary. Even Egypt has a history of about 50 centuries, so that any higher level period is a waste of space.  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:12, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: Some of these should be upmerged, e.g. Category:British India


 * Question: should the whole of Category:Establishments by colonial empire go in Category:2nd-millennium establishments? I note that we can't do the same with its parent Category:Overseas empires since that includes some earlier empires. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:49, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:19, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 7 August 2019 (UTC)


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Shrines

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 10:43, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Christian shrines to Category:Christian holy places
 * Propose merging Category:Islamic shrines to Category:Islamic holy places
 * Propose merging Category:Shia shrines to Category:Shia Islamic holy places
 * Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, shrines are holy places, so we do not need separate categories for shrines and for holy places. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:55, 2 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Yes, all shrines are holy places, but not all holy places are shrines. These seem like quite reasonable subcategories. And these categories are also part of the tree. All churches are also holy places, too - do we need a ? Grutness...  wha?   03:40, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn, this is a mistake indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:43, 3 August 2019 (UTC)


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Belgian awards

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 14:39, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Order of Leopold II to Category:Orders of knighthood of Belgium Category:Orders of chivalry of Belgium (target was renamed per Categories for discussion/Speedy)
 * Propose merging Category:Order of the African Star to Category:Orders of knighthood of Belgium Category:Orders of chivalry of Belgium
 * Propose merging Category:Order of the Crown (Belgium)‎ to Category:Orders of knighthood of Belgium Category:Orders of chivalry of Belgium
 * Propose merging Category:Royal Order of the Lion to Category:Orders of knighthood of Belgium Category:Orders of chivalry of Belgium
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, each of the categories only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory of recipients. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:12, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 10:43, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Trialpears (talk) 17:41, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge I remain unconvinced that all these wards are defining enough to justify a category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:33, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


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Sri Lankan awards

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 14:39, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sri Lanka Thilaka to Category:Civil awards and decorations of Sri Lanka
 * Propose merging Category:Veera Chudamani to Category:Civil awards and decorations of Sri Lanka
 * Propose merging Category:Veera Prathapa to Category:Civil awards and decorations of Sri Lanka
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, each of the categories only contains the eponymous article. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:12, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 10:43, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Trialpears (talk) 17:42, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge I remain unconvinced that all these wards are defining enough to justify a category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:33, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Furniture manufacturers

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 * The result of the discussion was: nomination withdrawn. MER-C 18:14, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Furniture manufacturers to Category:Furniture companies
 * Nominator's rationale: This is the parent of Category:Furniture companies by country Those categories mostly contain both manufacturers and retailers, and for most countries not separated.  Many of the companies both manufacture and retail. Rathfelder (talk) 21:27, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Not sure: it works at the moment as part of Category:Manufacturing companies. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:09, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have created Category:Furniture companies as a parent category. That should be sufficient. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:38, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * That's fine by me.Rathfelder (talk) 18:46, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * For clarification for the closer of this discussion: this means the nomination as such has been withdrawn. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:07, 6 August 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Awards of the Western Cape

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. MER-C 10:01, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Awards of the Western Cape to Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of South Africa and Category:Western Cape
 * Propose deleting Category:Provincial awards of South Africa – added 5 August
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only two articles in the category and none of the other provinces of South Africa have their own category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:52, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 10:42, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge, and delete intermediate category which would come empty, so I have added it to the nomination. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:06, 5 August 2019 (UTC)


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Category:World Heritage Tentative List by Bosnia and Herzegovina

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete, so rename to Category:World Heritage Tentative List for Bosnia and Herzegovina. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:44, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:World Heritage Tentative List by Bosnia and Herzegovina to Category:World Heritage Tentative List of Bosnia and Herzegovina
 * Nominator's rationale: Category appears to have been created by a non-native speaker of English, and "...by Bosnia and Herzegovina" is clearly not correct. According to Category names, it seems that it should be "...of Bosnia and Herzegovina", but "...in Bosnia and Herzegovina" is also a possibility. Richard3120 (talk) 15:01, 16 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as non-defining - e.g. this characteristic isn't even mentioned in the text of the Sarajevo article. DexDor(talk) 05:33, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, being on a tentative list is far from defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:32, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * by the same argument, do you think the category below regarding Colombia should go as well? Richard3120 (talk) 23:36, 19 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep but Suggest "for", not by or of. These are submitted by governmental bodies, so that this is NOT WP:OR.  If to be deleted, listify first.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:49, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that nobody claims it is a case of WP:OR. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 10:41, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - Being on Tentative list is actually quite important part of the process, a crucial step, and by that I mean it's most certainly "defining" enough no matter how we look on it from the perspective of Wikipedia policies and guidelines. I created both World Heritage Tentative List by country‎ and Category:World Heritage Tentative List by Bosnia and Herzegovina, and that "by"/"for"/"of" is most likely a slip on my part while copy/pasting, I probably wouldn't make such a glaring error even as a non-native speaker, however much more important is that I created it to make some sense of a Category:World Heritage Site Tentative list, containing 184 pages already, with various angles on the subject matter from all over the world, simply stacked there, on top of each other. So, question is, what will you do to make that category more useful and easier to navigate.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  21:08, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep but rename using "for" (or "of", whatever is more appropriate)-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  15:31, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep for now While I agree that being on the tentative list isn't a defining as most of the pages in the category doesn't mention it in prose, it would be improper to delete just this subcategory as that would make navigation in Category:World Heritage Tentative List by Bosnia and Herzegovina worse. I would be infavor of deleting the whole category tree in a new nomination after listifying. Regarding the name I am in favor of "for" since it's talking about the list, not the places. There's an argument for both of and in since world heritage can include both natural and manmade object which would use of and in respecctivley per WP:CATNAME and I thus have no opinion between them. --Trialpears (talk) 18:06, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Being on a tentative list is not remotely a defining characteristic, and generally speaking, nominations for such honors are often fluff events in and of themselves, with many nominations having no real hope of making the chosen pick. Newshunter12 (talk) 00:04, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


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Category:World Heritage Tentative List by Colombia

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete, so rename to Category:World Heritage Tentative List for Colombia. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:44, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:World Heritage Tentative List by Colombia to Category:World Heritage Tentative List of Colombia
 * Nominator's rationale: Category appears to have been created by a non-native speaker of English, and "...by Colombia" is clearly not correct. According to Category names, it seems that it should be "...of Colombia", but "...in Colombia" is also a possibility. Richard3120 (talk) 14:59, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete as non-defining - e.g. this characteristic isn't even mentioned in the text of the Ciudad Perdida article. DexDor(talk) 06:06, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, being on a tentative list is far from defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep but Suggest "for", not by or of. I assume that these are submitted by governmental bodies, though it is not clear here, so that this is NOT WP:OR.  If to be deleted, listify first.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:51, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 10:41, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * As with the discussion just above, nobody claims that this is a case of WP:OR. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:18, 4 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per my comment above, but rename using "for" (or "of", whatever is adequate).-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  15:33, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep for now In favor of "for". See my comment above for full opinions. --Trialpears (talk) 18:09, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Being on a tentative list is not remotely a defining characteristic, and generally speaking, nominations for such honors are often fluff events in and of themselves, with many nominations having no real hope of making the chosen pick. Newshunter12 (talk) 00:05, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


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