Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 August 9



Category:People associate with the Rockefeller Foundation

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy rename WP:C2E. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:07, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:People associate with the Rockefeller Foundation to Category:People associated with the Rockefeller Foundation
 * Nominator's rationale: Seems like a pretty clear cut typo to me. -Crossroads- (talk) 15:21, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Clear cut, yes. Discussion still needed? Hyperbolick (talk) 16:22, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Inter-county Gaelic football competitions

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 * The result of the discussion was: do not rename. MER-C 08:25, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Inter-county Gaelic football competitions to Category:Inter-county football competitions
 * Nominator's rationale: Similar to Category:Inter-county hurling competitions. The "Gaelic" is redundant in this case. The Germans and the Aussies don't be playing inter-county competitions. If necessary a description could be placed at the top linking to Gaelic football. This would be more helpful to the reader or editor who comes across the page. 2001:BB6:A94:7658:6576:CC5E:AF6A:DC2D (talk) 09:04, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The sport is called Gaelic football. The players are called "Gaelic footballers".  Every category for it includes the full name of the sport.
 * The bare word football is ambiguous. Our readers would not helped in any way by creating inconsistencies in the category tree and introducing avoidable ambiguity. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 09:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Leave it as is. Football is too simple a description. Heshs Umpire (talk)
 * Oppose For same reasons as above. Plus there is a history of inter county football in England. See County football association. Djln Djln (talk) 14:33, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose per BrownHairedGirl. A rename is not helpful. Newshunter12 (talk) 02:59, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- The sport is Gaelic football, not soccer. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:43, 10 August 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Inter-county Gaelic footballers

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The Germans and the Aussies don't be playing inter-county. If necessary a description could be placed at the top linking to Gaelic football. This would be more helpful to the reader or editor who comes across the page. 2001:BB6:A94:7658:6576:CC5E:AF6A:DC2D (talk) 09:00, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: do not rename. MER-C 08:26, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Inter-county Gaelic footballers to Category:Inter-county footballers
 * Nominator's rationale: Similar to Category:Inter-county hurlers. The "Gaelic" is redundant in this case.


 * Oppose. The sport which these people play is called Gaelic football. The players are called "Gaelic footballers".  Every category for them includes the full name of the sport.
 * The bare word football is ambiguous. Our readers would not helped in any way by creating inconsistencies in the category tree and introducing avoidable ambiguity. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 09:53, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose For same reasons as above. Djln Djln (talk) 14:34, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose per BrownHairedGirl. A rename is not helpful. Newshunter12 (talk) 03:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- The sport is Gaelic football, not soccer. Apart from that it would be highly ambiguous as to what country was meant.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:43, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose . This would confuse people unfamiliar with Gaelic football - ie most of the world.Rathfelder (talk) 20:45, 10 August 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Bassas da India

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 * The result of the discussion was: Closed. since taking place at WP:CFDS (non-admin closure) UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:34, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting bassas da india


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one entry. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:52, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete per WP:C2F. It is actually already listed in WP:CFDS, no reason to have a duplicate nomination here. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:05, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


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Category:German writers by federal state

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 08:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:German writers by federal state to Category:German writers by state
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:CONCISE, no need to include the extra word 'federal'. Consistent with parent Category:People by state in Germany and States of Germany, both of which do not have the word federal in their titles. StonyBrook (talk) 11:08, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

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 * Speedy rename per WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:49, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support Redundant adjective. Dimadick (talk) 08:10, 11 August 2019 (UTC)


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Category:New Left in China

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 08:28, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:New Left in China to Category:Chinese New Left
 * Nominator's rationale: I had originally proposed this as a speedy but missed a slightly more complex move history, so bringing it here for full discussion. The main article was moved to "New Left in China" in 2017 on the grounds of conforming to the "[political ideology] in [country]" standard and the category was itself moved consequent to this renaming. I'm proposing it as a CfD rather than just waiting for it to be stable because "New Left in China" is actually a potentially inappropriate name as I'll try to explain.


 * I moved the main article back to Chinese New Left today because "Chinese New Left" is a fixed phrase (2:1 split on Google Scholar) and not merely "the section/influence of the New Left in China". As the article explains, some members of the CNL explicitly dissociate themselves from the New Left as such, so "New Left in China" is a slightly problematic topic header: they're not the Chinese branch of the New Left in the way that, say, liberals in China are just Chinese people who subscribe to liberalism. "Chinese New Left" refers to a specific group, "New Left in China" can refer to either that group or Chinese people who follow the Western New Left, which has a separate history and etymology.


 * (Apologies for the slightly complicated rationale for a straightforward-looking move but hopefully it makes sense!) —Nizolan (talk · c.) 21:06, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

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 * Support. Thanks to @Nizolan for a clear explanation. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 09:58, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


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Category:5pb.

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 08:28, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:5pb. to Category:Mages (company)
 * Nominator's rationale: 5pb. changed their name to Mages in 2011, and their video game brand name "5pb. Games" is being phased out in favor of "Mages" for brand strength purposes. We should use the current name of the company for the category, matching the article's name. Alexandra IDVtalk 16:25, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

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 * Support as 5pb is a stable redirect to Mages (company). DexDor(talk) 14:07, 11 August 2019 (UTC)


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Muslim socialists and feminists

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename Category:Islamic feminists to Category:Proponents of Islamic feminism and Category:Islamic socialists as nominated. MER-C 08:31, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming
 * Category:Islamic feminists to Category:Muslim feminists
 * Category:Islamic socialists to Category:Muslim socialists
 * Nominator's rationale: When the modifier Islamic is applied to a person (or group of people) it has a different connotation. In many cases, that does not apply to the people in these categories. For example Irshad Manji is particularly anti-Islamic fundamentalism. Putting her in Category:Islamic feminists is just not right. She is Muslim and a feminist but that does not mean we can call her an Islamic feminist because that term is just not idiomatic for her category of people. Here the distinction is about when referring to people. See existing examples: Category:Muslim reformers, Category:Muslim writers and Category:Muslim activists. --- Coffee  and crumbs  17:41, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

The same goes for Category:Muslim feminists per nom. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 22:05, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Alternative rename to Category:Islamic feminists to Category:Proponents of Islamic feminism per article title Islamic feminism and similar to Category:Proponents of Christian feminism. Perhaps quite some purging is needed as well. Delete Category:Islamic socialists as a trivial intersection with religion, which ought to be deleted per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. If we already have Jewish socialists‎ and Christian socialists, we might as well keep the category for muslims. This is a subcat of Category:Islamic socialism, so this intersection of ideology and religion makes sense due to the existence of Islamic socialism. Additionally, many brands of socialism are explicitly atheist in nature. Finally, the rename will allow us to expand the scope of the category to folks who are both muslim and socialist while not necessarily being Islamic socialists‎ specifically.
 * The goal of WP:OCEGRS is to avoid trivial intersection categories like people happen to be both muslim and socialist. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:39, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

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 * I would support Category:Proponents of Islamic feminism and keeping Category:Islamic socialists or renaming it to Category:Muslim socialists (no strong preference). This is not a trivial intersection.  British socialism arose out of Methodism, perhaps Primitive Methodism.  Political views are very likely to derive from a person's religious (and moral) outlook on life.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:48, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. Definitely the most correct term is Muslim and not Islamic.--NronQsr (talk) 07:22, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Support Peterkingiron's suggestion. Islamic feminism is a specific movement, and not all Muslim-origin feminists are Islamic feminists. Zerach (talk) 09:18, 16 August 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Statistics disambiguation pages

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 16:21, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Statistics disambiguation pages to Category:Mathematics disambiguation pages‎
 * Nominator's rationale: Category of only two pages. We have generally been much more restrictive about increasing categorization of disambiguation pages than we have with respect to articles, and a category with only two topics can serve little purpose in any context. bd2412  T 22:02, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete, we should not categorize disambiguation pages at all, assuming their various targets are already categorized appropriately. However if merged as per nom, please note that the Economic census dab page does not belong in a mathematics category. In that case only the statistics dab page should be moved to Category:Mathematics disambiguation pages‎. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete as dab pages should not have category tags. Possibly use . DexDor(talk) 10:12, 27 August 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Steely Dan members

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 10:37, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting steely dan members


 * Nominator's rationale: See comments by User:Mvavanti, who was trying to nominate the category for deletion. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose - the rationale (on the category talk page) is not particularly convincing. Jeff Baxter is described as a member for 2 years as are several others. Session musicians should be pruned, of course. Oculi (talk) 00:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support in principle, being a session musician is not particularly defining, this may also be considered as a case of WP:PERFCAT. However, no objection against recreating the category with only two members. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment would these articles not be more usefully linked with a standard band infobox? Grutness... wha?   13:14, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That too, of course. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:53, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete not a defining membership. Leads to category clutter, already really bad in musician articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:17, 14 September 2019 (UTC)


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Category:C3E Clean Energy Education and Empowerment Ambassador
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 08:32, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting c3e clean energy education and empowerment ambassador


 * Nominator's rationale: Promotional categorisation. Long description of how wonderful these ambassadors are but only one biographical article and no article on the topic.  Uncategorised. Rathfelder (talk) 08:41, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:NONDEF. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:59, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


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