Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 December 14



Category:H. P. Lovecraft Historical Society

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 08:40, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting h. p. lovecraft historical society


 * Nominator's rationale: This is a small category with little potential for growth. The vast majority of things associated with this organisation are obscure and non-notable. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 23:16, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support, the category contains 2 films and 1 musical distributed by this society, just mentioning them in the article about H. P. Lovecraft Historical Society should be sufficient. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Having looked at the main article and that on H. P. Lovecraft (which is surprisingly long), I do not think there is enough here, or ever could ne to merit what is essentially an eponymous category for H.P. Lovecraft and his fans. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:53, 16 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category talk:World War II television programmes by genre

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 08:48, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:World War II television programmes by genre to Category:World War II television series
 * This category doesn't seem to be making sense and should be merge to the other. NeoBatfreak (talk) 20:16, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support, the parent category is not populated well enough to require this kind of diffusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category talk:World War II in television fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 08:48, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:World War II in television fiction to Category:World War II television series
 * This category doesn't seem to be making sense and should be merge to the other. NeoBatfreak (talk) 20:16, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support, strongly overlapping scope. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:13, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category talk:World War II television programmes

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 08:49, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:World War II television programmes to Category:World War II television series
 * This category doesn't seem to be making sense and should be merge to the other. NeoBatfreak (talk) 20:16, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge or reverse merge, apparently apart from series there is not much content. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Frozen Pension
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Category:Sportspeople with dementia

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 08:49, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sportspeople with dementia to Category:Sportspeople with chronic traumatic encephalopathy
 * Nominator's rationale: The current category title encourages the inclusion of sportspeople who had dementia in later life which had little to do with their occupation, which is a trivial intersection. A non-trivial intersection is where dementia has been caused by one's occupation (I believe this was the category creator's intended focus), which was the case for Mike Webster and Jeff Astle for example. Changing the focus to the cause (chronic traumatic encephalopathy) rather than the degenerative condition (dementia) allows us to make this distinction. SFB 18:05, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom and purge the category (i.e. remove sportspeople who didn't have chronic traumatic encephalopathy). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Religions with official status in Kurdistan Region

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 08:40, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting religions with official status in kurdistan region


 * Nominator's rationale: Where does this end? Do Christianity and Islam end up with hundreds of categories for every subnational unit where they have official status? This is surely not WP:DEFINING. Le Deluge (talk) 10:57, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:56, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:American Theater Hall of Fame inductees
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Category:New Mexico and Arizona Campaign

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename, as the conservative option given the split here. The split merge proposal has traction, and it should be raised in a new nomination now that the rename has been taken off the table. MER-C 05:33, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:New Mexico and Arizona Campaign to Category:New Mexico and Arizona campaign
 * Nominator's rationale: Case normalize. Campaigns are seldom treated as proper name by sources. Dicklyon (talk) 05:46, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Split merge to Category:Mexican–American War and Category:Battles of the Mexican–American War per WP:DEFINING. None of the articles in the category mentions a New Mexico and Arizona campaign, while there is also not an article New Mexico and Arizona campaign. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support Marcocape's alternate proposal to do away with this category and just use the more sensible ones. Dicklyon (talk) 15:36, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom - "Campaign" is not a proper noun in this case and should not be capitalized. Even the infobox in the category text doesn't capitalize it. However, this may need further examination in the historical context, naming a category for a Mexican War campaign using current-day names of the states where it occurred. The name Arizona didn't surface until the Civil War for the Confederate Arizona Territory located in the southern half of current-day states of Arizona and New Mexico. Unless a good solution becomes obvious quickly, I'd support letting that wait for another CfR after this is done, especially if there's any criteria where the capitalization can be fixed by speedy rename. Ikluft (talk) 06:38, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support speedy rename for the capitalization issue under WP:C2A if possible, otherwise maintain support for the CfR. OK, I looked it up - that's the criteria I was looking for in the previous comment. Ikluft (talk) 07:19, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Split merge per Marcocapelle. But also support speedy rename per nom, if this is kept.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:51, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * Currently split between merge and rename, would like to have a definitive response. MER-C 09:48, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Information: The Mexican–American War article has a section named 'New Mexico campaign' that has a campaign box named 'New Mexico Campaign' with the same content as the campaign box in this category named 'New Mexico and Arizona campaign'. It is true that there was no Arizona at the time; the area that now Arizona was part of the Mexican Province of New Mexico. Hmains (talk) 04:09, 17 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Allotropes

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Allotropy to Category:Allotropes. MER-C 08:50, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Allotropes to Category:Allotropy
 * Nominator's rationale: Following on from this upmerge on commons (commons:Commons:Categories for discussion/2019/11/Category:Allotropes), I propose that "This category is for articles giving an overview of allotropy or of the allotropes of particular elements. For articles about specific allotropes" is too limiting a scope for Category:Allotropes since would would exclude articles about several allotropes of a single element where there are not stand-alone articles for each allotrope (not members of "A category for materials which are an allotrope of a chemical element."), and we often have that situation. Thus we have a false distinction and poor navigability to find such articles. The article Allotropy is the only article on the actual theory of this topic, so I don't think having it together with all the articles on specific instances of that main-art would be a problem. If we have a bunch of articles on allotropy/allotropes of a certain element, we could easily have a subcat for that element, which still retains navigability and the main-vs-subtopic purpose of cats.


 * The previous CfD at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 September 12 decided to distinguish between materials and theory, but now 5 years later that doesn't seem to have worked out because there is only one on "theory" which is now being conflated with "multiple (vs single) material of a single element". DMacks (talk) 15:14, 23 November 2019 (UTC)


 * In principle, Prefer reverse merge but the subject needs some adjustment first. For the concept of allotropes to arise there must be two forms of an element.  Accordingly to articles need to be moved down to a category allotropes of foo, before the merger is completed.  the present target has a much better structure, to which the contents of the subject need to be fitted, but allotropes is the better name.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:22, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * As nominator, I'm ambivalent about which should be the name of the unified category. I chose "allotropy" to parallel commons and which is the current parent cat. DMacks (talk) 16:11, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge.  I don't think there is any need for distinction between allotropes and allotropy when categorizing Wikipedia articles.  The fact that Allotropes of boron and Category:Allotropes of nitrogen are in Category:Allotropy, while all the other "Allotropes of..." articles are in Category:Allotropes indicates that other editors fail to make a distinction as well.  I don't have a preference for which way the merge goes.  -- Ed (Edgar181) 15:33, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge, with a weak preference for reverse merge to Allotropes. Also merge the Wikidata items https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8235975 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8236012 – please ping me on closure, I'm willing to do this. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:26, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * Merge which way? MER-C 09:48, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep both - seems an entirely standard set-up of a topic category Category:Allotropy with a set subcat Category:Allotropes (and other subcats which no-one has mentioned). Allotropes of boron is correctly categorised as a topical article about Allotropes of boron, whereas Cyclic ozone is an allotrope. Oculi (talk) 20:03, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Allotropes of boron is pretty much just a list of the individual allotropes (and comparisons among them), not about the phenomonenon of allotropy as a phenomenon--it's a compiled set of sections that would be stub articles if someone cared to pull them apart. Allotropy is certainly a topic article, but IMO the only one. DMacks (talk) 05:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Prefer reverse merge, apart from the main article this appears to be set categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:09, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * As indicated above, I prefer a reverse merge, but certainly merge somehow. The problem is that one of these is well-structured as allotropes of boo, while the other is disorganised.  Some purging will be needed, so that (for example) various forms of boron appear in allotropes of boron, not in its parent.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:02, 16 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Chinese fantasy-comedy films

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. The entire tree should be considered in a standardisation nomination. MER-C 08:53, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Chinese fantasy-comedy films to Category:Chinese fantasy comedy films
 * Nominator's rationale: The parent article is fantasy comedy. Kailash29792 (talk)  13:30, 26 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - I am fairly sure that fantasy comedy is correct but that Category:Fantasy-comedy films is also correct (as the hyphenated term is adjectival). Cf African Americans and . Oculi (talk) 15:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * See for instance this cfd and compound modifier. Oculi (talk) 15:17, 26 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep, and all those below, for the reasons given by Oculi. Fantasy comedy is the noun form, fantasy-comedy is the adjective form.Another example would be and . Grutness...  wha?   03:09, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Rename:Looking at the Category:Comedy films by genre the only other subcategory with hyphens apart from Category:Fantasy-comedy films is Category:Comedy-drama films; with other subcategories bering non-hyphenated; e.g. "action comedy films", "adventure comedy films", "animated comedy films", "black comedy films", "buddy comedy films", "children’s comedy films", "Christmas comedy films", "crime comedy films", "historical comedy films", "musical comedy films", "Horror comedy films", "political comedy films", "sports comedy films" and "teen comedy films". See also subcategories of Category:2000s comedy films. Hugo999 (talk) 07:43, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * So you advocate renaming the correct ones and keeping the errors? Category:Fantasy-comedy films to cite but one has been renamed out of process. Oculi (talk) 10:43, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 09:52, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * It may be helpful to start the discussion over again with all siblings included in one nomination, and an option A versus an option B, all with versus all without the hyphen. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:13, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Indian fantasy-comedy films

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. The entire tree should be considered in a standardisation nomination. MER-C 08:53, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Indian fantasy-comedy films to Category:Indian fantasy comedy films
 * Nominator's rationale: The parent article is Fantasy comedy. <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  13:29, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * Keep - as above. It is the non-hyphenated ones in Category:Fantasy comedy films which are wrong. Oculi (talk) 15:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - as above, per Oculi. Grutness... wha?   03:09, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * Relisted because this should have the same outcome as Category:Chinese fantasy-comedy films in the discussion above. MER-C 09:52, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Fantasy-comedy films by decade
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. The entire tree should be considered in a standardisation nomination. MER-C 08:53, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fantasy-comedy films by decade to Category:Fantasy comedy films by decade
 * Nominator's rationale: The parent article is Fantasy comedy. <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  13:28, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * Keep - as above. It is the non-hyphenated ones in Category:Fantasy comedy films which are wrong. Oculi (talk) 15:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - as above, per Oculi. Grutness... wha?   03:10, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * Relisted because this should have the same outcome as Category:Chinese fantasy-comedy films in the discussion above. MER-C 09:52, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:American fantasy-comedy films
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. The entire tree should be considered in a standardisation nomination. MER-C 08:53, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:American fantasy-comedy films to Category:American fantasy comedy films
 * Nominator's rationale: The parent article is fantasy comedy. <b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b> (talk)  13:25, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * Keep - as above. It is the non-hyphenated ones in Category:Fantasy comedy films which are wrong. Oculi (talk) 15:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - as above, per Oculi. Grutness... wha?   03:10, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * Relisted because this should have the same outcome as Category:Chinese fantasy-comedy films in the discussion above. MER-C 09:52, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Vehicles rebuilt in China
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Category:Crossings of the Prut River
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