Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 December 19



Category:Fisheries
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Category:Jewish engravers by nationality
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Category:Successful write-in candidates

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. I'll list this on the manual page to verify that all category members are included in the existing list. MER-C 05:17, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Convert Category:Successful write-in candidates to article Write-in candidate
 * Nominator's rationale: Listify - already largely duplicated by the list in Write-in candidate. Le Deluge (talk) 14:40, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree - I was the one who created this category and I don't think anyone has used it since. If other users think that it makes more sense as a list on the article write-in candidate then I have no objection and would be fine with deleting or merging or converting it as appropriate. Thanks for hearing me out. Omanlured (talk) 15:16, 19 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete -- The situation cannot arise in my country, but several of the articles do not in fact explain that the person was a write-in or why. The list does this much better.  I suspect that all the people are already in Write-in candidate.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:38, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Planned Economies
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Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of Chinese in New York City

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 05:12, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedia requested photographs of chinese in new york city


 * Nominator's rationale: Wikiproject is inactive. Category will sit empty and useless. &oelig; &trade; 11:29, 19 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support, the inactive template on the wikiproject page has been untouched for two months now. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:52, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Non-fiction books about Star Wars

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 05:14, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Non-fiction books about Star Wars to Category:Books about Star Wars
 * Nominator's rationale: I don't think this category needs to specify "non-fiction". Books about Star Wars are not Category:Books based on Star Wars. Just like equivalent Category:Books about Star Trek doesn't need 'non-fiction' added to it. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:42, 19 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep "Books about Star Wars" is a vast group, as it potentially includes every published piece of spin-off. There is also a distinct and significant group of non-fiction books too, and we should (as at present) categorise these separately. Their status is clear: although they are somewhat fictionalised books set in a fictionalised universe, titles like "The Death Star Owners' Workshop Manual" are not extending the fictional narrative with any new plot or characterisation (as the spin-off stories do) but are describing existing concepts within that universe.
 * Also I am getting very tired of this "any WP content about fiction should be deleted" barrage of AfDs from just a handful of editors. Throw enough AfDs and you will of course get some of them to stick. This is not a productive outcome for the project. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:20, 19 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support - in fact there is the companion Category:Books based on Star Wars. It seems to me that Category:Books about Star Wars should be created before Category:Non-fiction books about Star Wars and subcats created if it becomes too large. (Nothing is being deleted here that I can discern.) Oculi (talk) 15:36, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Support, it is too obvious that books about films are non-fictional (in contrast to books based on films). Marcocapelle (talk) 03:56, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Landships

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 05:13, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting landships


 * Nominator's rationale: Original research related to WP:Articles for deletion/Landship. Before I emptied it, the category contained the sub-categories Category:Engineering vehicles, Category:Giant stripping shovels, Category:Superheavy tanks and Category:Tunnel boring machines, various articles that didn't mention the term "landship" and that were largely contained in one of those sub-categories, plus Landship Committee. There is no indication that the vehicles described in the inclusion criteria are generally referred to as "landships" or "landcraft", and we don't need a category for a historical term for "tank" that is no longer in use. Huon (talk) 01:21, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * At a closer look the Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte article did mention the term "landship" without the creator of the category adding it. It did not, however, cite a source that the Ratte was a (proposed) landship, and the cited sources did not use the term "landship". Huon (talk) 02:45, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Landkreuzer means "land cruiser" or "land crosser" in English—it has nothing to do with ships. HopsonRoad (talk) 04:08, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - There are already meaningful categories for the items described. "Land ship" is not a word in the English lexicon. It is a concept that appeals to one or a few editors that ties large, mobile machinery together in a manner that adds no value—e.g. tanks being categorized with boring machines. HopsonRoad (talk) 04:08, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Landship is not only a word, it's a WP:NOTABLE one - see Landships Committee. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:02, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I very much doubt that the word "landship" is a notable subject in this encylopedia - i.e. that a WP:WORDISSUBJECT article at Landship (word) would pass GNG. DexDor(talk) 12:33, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Landships Committee is a specific archaic usage that was used for less than a year before becoming the Tank Supply Committee. You often get weird names in the early stages of a technology, but the committee was not interested in procuring boring machines and excavators. I must admit I was in two minds about this category when I first saw it, but I'm tending towards Delete.Le Deluge (talk) 14:48, 19 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep WP:CFD is specific: "do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category ". Doing the same thing immediately before nominating it is no better. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:16, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The nominator listed the subcats removed. DexDor(talk) 12:33, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I am not going to let recently added WP:OR sit in more than a dozen articles for the purpose of a category deletion discussion. I listed the former subcategories, and the category page itself gives inclusion criteria that can be evaluated. Even if this were indeed a valid category, there was no indication whatsoever that any of the articles I removed would belong: Since there are no sources at all referring to any of the topics as a "landship", they clearly fail WP:CATDEF. Huon (talk) 21:37, 19 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and HopsonRoad. DexDor(talk) 12:33, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete A landship is basically an archaic synonym for a tank, the other uses in the AFD article are WP:SYNTH and WP:OR and borderline WP:HOAX, and the category is not needed. -- Jayron 32 17:39, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt, it has been deleted before (discussion of 13 December 2017). Marcocapelle (talk) 04:03, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


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Template:LA-stub

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:22, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Template:LA-stub to Template:Ladakh-stub
 * Nominator's rationale: Approved by WPSS as "Ladakh-stub" but created with incorrect form. Her Pegship (I'm listening) 00:21, 19 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support - i'm probably not alone in instantly assuming this would be for Los Angeles, with Louisiana and Laos (.la) not far behind. Grutness... wha?   01:39, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Support LA is ambiguous. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:47, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


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