Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 December 31



Category:Die Hard (film series)
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Category:Die Hard (film series) arcade and video games
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Category:AFC Ajax Vrouwen
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Category:AFC Ajax Vrouwen players
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Transportation network companies

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 02:51, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies to Category:Ridesharing companies
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of Australia to Category:Ridesharing companies of Australia
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of Bangladesh‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of Bangladesh
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of Belgium‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of Belgium
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of Brazil‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of Brazil
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of Canada‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of Canada
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of China‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of China
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of Colombia‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of Colombia
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of Estonia‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of Estonia
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of France‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of France
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of Germany‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of Germany
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of India‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of India
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of Israel‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of Israel
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of Malaysia‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of Malaysia
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of Nigeria‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of Nigeria
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of Norway‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of Norway
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of the Philippines‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of the Philippines
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of Russia‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of Russia
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of Singapore to Category:Ridesharing companies of Singapore
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of South Korea‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of South Korea
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of Spain‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of Spain
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of the United Arab Emirates‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of the United Arab Emirates
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of the United Kingdom‎ to Category:Ridesharing companies of the United Kingdom
 * Propose renaming Category:Transportation network companies of the United States to Category:Ridesharing companies of the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:C2D, Transportation network company has been renamed to Ridesharing company after an RM. This is follow-up on this earlier nomination and follow-up on the opposed speedy request collapsed below. pinging contributors to the earlier CfD discussion.  I am willing to propose upmerging the smaller categories in a later nomination, but that should not delay the implementation of the current renaming request. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:08, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose all, on the basis 'Ridesharing' is a questionable description for many of these companies (as made clear in the Ridesharing company article). The existing categories adequately describe the contents (and several are already containing only one or two articles so their existence is questionable, they certianly shouldn't be further sub-divided). Sionk (talk) 16:53, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - Transportation network company was renamed to Ridesharing company via an RM: see Talk:Ridesharing_company. It is conventional to rename the corresponding category tree speedily. Oculi (talk) 15:06, 27 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support - again. Kudos to Marcocapelle for persisting with this (which also avoids the transport/transportation difficulty). Oculi (talk) 00:26, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 01:31, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Middle-earth plants

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 02:49, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting middle-earth plants


 * Nominator's rationale: Only one non-redirect entry, and no parent category, so I see no apparent function for this category. Hog Farm (talk) 20:27, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, but move the one article to Category:Middle-earth. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:25, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep -the usual exemplary categorisation of useful middle-earth redirects. Oculi (talk) 23:58, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:RCAT: under normal circumstances, redirects do not belong in mainspace content categories. BenKuykendall (talk) 04:11, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * This is nonsense. See REDCAT, a few lines further down. Redirects should be categorised as if they were articles. Oculi (talk) 13:03, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Support per nom and RCAT. Note that the list at will be a lot more useful and precise than this category of redirects. Place Clichy (talk) 01:31, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Middle-earth swords

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 02:52, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Middle-earth swords to Category:Middle-earth weapons
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one non-redirect article in the Middle-earth swords category, so no point in having a subcat of weapons just for swords now. Hog Farm (talk) 20:25, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and move the one article to Category:Middle-earth weapons, Marcocapelle (talk) 22:26, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - an elegant display of the correct categorisation of useful redirects. Incomprehension is not an argument for delete. Oculi (talk) 00:03, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not advocating for this category to be deleted. I'm advocating for this category to be merged to its parent category, Middle-earth weapons.  In my view, if only one Middle-earth sword has its own article, there's no real need to make a more specific category.  I think if moved to the weapons category, that would provide enough of a clear category without going overly granular. Hog Farm (talk) 02:50, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 01:31, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:People associated with Star Trek

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 02:49, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people associated with star trek


 * Nominator's rationale: Too vague to be meaningful. 109.186.52.23 (talk) 18:02, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:22, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Rename to "People with Star Trek credits" (fan members removed). — swpb T&#8201;•&#8201;go beyond&#8201;•&#8201;bad idea 15:24, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Credits is very unclear. Then simply move the article D. C. Fontana to Category:Star Trek. The other articles are already together in a lists category. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:08, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No, people are either credited on a TV/film production or they are not. There's no gray area. But more to the point, why can't Category:Star Trek lists have a subcategory for these lists of real people? — swpb T&#8201;•&#8201;go beyond&#8201;•&#8201;bad idea 20:08, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Renaming to Category:Lists of Star Trek people is an option indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:15, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Good enough. — swpb T&#8201;•&#8201;go beyond&#8201;•&#8201;bad idea 19:12, 7 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and WP:OCASSOC. Place Clichy (talk) 01:31, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:The Fireman (band) songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 02:49, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting the fireman (band) songs


 * Nominator's rationale: 38 redirects for songs (and not one actual article) that take you to one of three albums doesn't make this a very useful category, at least no better than what Category:The Fireman (band) albums already offers. Previously nominated in March 2013 with minimal discussion resulting in no consensus (one of the song's did have an article then, which has since been redirected). Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 18:00, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:23, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 01:31, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Southern Death Cult

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 02:49, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting southern death cult


 * Nominator's rationale: A band with an article for one album, which is already appropriately categorized in an albums category, negates any need for this eponymous parent. WP:SMALLCAT, WP:OCEPON. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:51, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 01:31, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


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Countries and territories by language family
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Category:Grape pest arthropods

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 02:54, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Grape pest arthropods to Category:Grape pests and Category:Agricultural pest arthropods
 * Nominator's rationale: This is an unnecessary category layer that uses a specialist term (see, for example, this). Note: A further CFD could remove similar category layers e.g. Category:Pest arthropods. Note: if (e.g. if more articles are added) an additional category layer is needed it would be better to use the term "invertebrates". DexDor(talk) 14:20, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support, apart from the insects subcategory there is not much content here. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:26, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge, no need for this small category, parent categories aren't very large. 19:52, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge we don't need tiny categories for every node in the tree of life. Creator of this category was blocked for this kind of thing. If there was a sea cucumber that attacked grapevines, Caftaric would've likely created "Grape pest deuterostomes" along with the category for arthropods. Plantdrew (talk) 03:40, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Potentially distressing articles

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 02:49, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting potentially distressing articles


 * Nominator's rationale: April 2019 category seems to contravene No disclaimers in articles (and I'm not sure how it would fit into the category hierarchy?) Le Deluge (talk) 09:49, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. As well as being contrary to WP:NODISCLAIMERS, such categorization is not verifiable, neutral, or defining. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:57, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Note: Template:Distressing article is being used to put talk pages in this category. DexDor(talk) 14:27, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per above, and also because what is and is not distressing is entirely a matter of personal taste. It thus fails both WP:SUBJECTIVECAT and likely also WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Personally, given my favourite club's current performance, I find that 2019–20 Premier League is a distressing article. There are several articles on current British and US politics which would also qualify. Should they go in there? Grutness... wha?   13:00, 1 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Science martyrs
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Romanian awards

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 02:52, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Order of the Crown (Romania) to Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Romania
 * Propose merging Category:Order of the Star of Romania to Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of Romania
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, each of the categories only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory of recipients. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 09:23, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. They serve a navigational purpose, allowing to navigate from article in question to the categorized list of participants. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:04, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That will not change when merging. The article and subcat will just be one category layer higher. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:22, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 03:20, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Most of the useful content is in the recipients subcategories, which will remain appropriately parented. On a sidenote, the content relative to the Order of the Star of the Romanian Socialist Republic could be considered as part of the history of the Order of the Star and classified accordingly. Place Clichy (talk) 01:31, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Beathard family

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 02:49, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting beathard family


 * Nominator's rationale: No parent article, no evidence that these people are collectively referred to as the "Beathard family". WP:SYNTH, WP:OCAT. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:08, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep, on the basis very few of the many 'family' categories have a parent article. There seems to be an accepted convention to group related notable people in this fashion (and Beathard is sufficiently unusual to not be confused with other people). I'd question its parent cats, all the same, because most are sportsmen but a couple are not. If there was a wider discussion about the suitability of these 'family' categories, I'd be interested to know the outcome. Sionk (talk) 17:22, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 03:20, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Other family categories might be nominated as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:53, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 01:31, 3 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Indigenous American Catholic saints

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Indigenous Catholic saints of the Americans. MER-C 10:43, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Indigenous American Catholic saints to Category:Indigenous American saints
 * Nominator's rationale: This category is being used for more than saints of the Catholic Church. If it will be used for Santa Muerte and other "deities" that are folk saints outside the Church, it should not carry the name "Catholic". Elizium23 (talk) 20:12, 23 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support In order to include saints from folk religion. Dimadick (talk) 20:27, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Support For reasons above (I am the creator of the category) DiegoAma (talk) 23:19, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Alt rename to Category:Indigenous saints of the Americas per WP:C2C (see first parent category), the articles are not about indigenous saints from the United States. In addition, the second parent category should be changed because it is neither by nationality nor (after renaming) Catholic, so perhaps the second parent should become Category:Saints. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:51, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose as the change of scope that goes with this request is unnecessary. Feel free to create a parent category for non-Catholic saints. Place Clichy (talk) 19:43, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This actually makes sense, but we should still change "American" to "of the Americas". Marcocapelle (talk) 21:47, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 03:20, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Rename but to Category:Indigenous Catholic saints of the Americas per Category:Indigenous people of the Americas and create parent Category:Indigenous saints of the Americas, per Marcocapelle/Place Clichy. Oculi (talk) 10:32, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that the other parent is Category:Roman Catholic saints by nationality, and indeed it is quite unlikely that there ever be among indigenous Americans. I therefore suggest Category:Indigenous Roman Catholic saints of the Americas. Place Clichy (talk) 01:31, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The by-nationality parent should be removed or replaced anyway. Being from a continent is quite something else than a nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:22, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Indigenous Catholic saints of the Americans. "Indegenous American" sounds too much like an irregular synonym of the term Native American, which is most often restricted to those in some way connected to the United States.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:58, 17 January 2020 (UTC)


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