Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 December 6



Birding and birdwatching

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 10:15, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Birding and Category:Birdwatching to Category:Birding and birdwatching
 * Nominator's rationale: What we have here is two categories that cover substantially the same subject. In fact, they share the same main article. Birding seems to be somewhat broader than birdwatching, but the distinction between the two terms is fuzzy and subjective, all of which is laid out pretty well in the main article at Birdwatching. The obvious solution is to combine the terms and merge the contents of the two categories into a single category, much as was done with . Anomalous+0 (talk) 23:44, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Birds was notified of this CFD. Anomalous+0 (talk) 03:30, 7 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support It makes sense to me - the terms are ill-defined points on a continuum of interest and skills. Craigthebirder (talk) 01:47, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Support - but move the subcategories to the parent Category:Ornithology instead (so split rather than merge). Marcocapelle (talk) 09:15, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You must have only looked at Category:Birding -- but not at Category:Birdwatching. I just removed the 3 Ornithological subcats from Category:Birding, where they didn't belong in the first place; all 3 were already part of Category:Ornithology. Everything else, including the subcats of Category:Birdwatching, should be merged into the new Category:Birding and birdwatching as I've proposed. Anomalous+0 (talk) 09:53, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok thx, so that has already been taken care of. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:12, 7 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Children of Galba

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 10:04, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting children of galba


 * Nominator's rationale: Yet another textbook WP:SMALLCAT, cf. Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_November_27 Constantine  ✍  23:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose Galba's heir has to be included in Galba's category. Dimadick (talk) 07:39, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * He already is in Category:Galba. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:59, 7 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 27. DrKay (talk) 08:57, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete -- If there were a dozen notable children such a category might possibly be permissible, but not for one son. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:12, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. It looks like Galba's only natural children died in childhood, and are mentioned only in passing; they are unlikely to have articles written about them, leaving this a category of one.  A category is only useful if it helps people find related articles that they might not see otherwise, and if the only other (unlikely) topics would naturally be found in the articles about Galba and his heir, a category for his children serves no useful purpose.  P Aculeius (talk) 15:14, 8 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Generals of Byzantine Emperors

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 10:16, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Generals of Byzantine Emperors to Category:Byzantine generals by emperor
 * Nominator's rationale: per parent category Category:Byzantine generals, per common practice of 'X by Y' categories, and per better phrasing: the generals were not of the emperor, they merely served under him (and any predecessors or successors) Constantine  ✍  23:23, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You could safely speedy-close this and move it per C2C. -- Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  23:26, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If you agree to the move, as the category creator, Iazyges, I think we can simply leave a note here to any closing admin per WP:C2E as uncontroversial. Constantine   ✍  23:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree. Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  23:31, 6 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Suggest to upmerge most of the subcats though, only four of them have a substantial size. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That's because I'm working on filling them; those four have just been around and filled before. Per WP:SMALLCAT "Note also that this criterion does not preclude all small categories; a category which does have realistic potential for growth, such as a category for holders of a notable political office, may be kept even if only a small number of its articles actually exist at the present time. Also, subcategories of Category:Works by creator may be created even if they include only one page." Iazyges   Consermonor   Opus meum  18:10, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom Clearer meaning. Dimadick (talk) 07:40, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. Makes more sense at the proposed title. P Aculeius (talk) 01:45, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Transformers objects

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  J I P  &#124; Talk 09:37, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting transformers objects


 * Nominator's rationale: Every article in this category has been nominated for deletion. This category is useless. Delete. J I P  &#124; Talk 20:03, 6 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Transformers (franchise) per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 7 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Transformers factions
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 December 21%23Category:Transformers factions

Category:Cam (singer)

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 10:04, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cam (singer)


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAT. Singer only has two albums and four notable songs (the rest are just redirects). Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 13:52, 6 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. WP:OCEPON.  If a higher level category is needed, surely  would be preferable anyway.  212.135.65.247 (talk) 14:57, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:45, 6 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Rings in comics
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 December 21%23Category:Rings in comics

Category:Car-free areas by city
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 December 18%23Category:Car-free areas by city

Category:Paul W. S. Anderson

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:35, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting paul w. s. anderson


 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON. 212.135.65.247 (talk) 12:23, 6 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:44, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:23, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete unnecessary parent. Overcategorization. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:15, 12 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Israeli soldiers

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 * The result of the discussion was: do not merge. MER-C 10:03, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Israeli soldiers to Category:Israeli military personnel
 * Nominator's rationale: What differentiates "soldiers" from "military personnel"? buidhe 05:32, 6 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Procedural oppose, if anything should be changed here, it is Category:Soldiers that should be discussed in the first place. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:55, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - a swift glance at Category:Israeli military personnel reveals doctors and chaplains, airmen and sailors, who are not soldiers. This serves the usual purpose of a subcategory: to separate one variety of military personnel from the others. Oculi (talk) 10:46, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - I concur with Oculi's remarks. Anomalous+0 (talk) 13:02, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The nomination is not entirely pointless: almost none of the people in this category was notable while having the rank of soldier, the category functions in fact as a case of WP:OCMISC. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:55, 6 December 2019 (UTC)


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