Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 2



Category:War (U.S. band)

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering (Talk)
 * Propose renaming Category:War (U.S. band) to Category:War (American band)
 * Propose renaming Category:War (U.S. band) albums to Category:War (American band) albums
 * Propose renaming Category:War (U.S. band) members to Category:War (American band) members
 * Propose renaming Category:War (U.S. band) songs to Category:War (American band) songs
 * Nominator's rationale: War (band) was renamed by request to War (U.S. band) because of War (Swedish band). Convention is to use "American" not "U.S." when disambiguating band names (e.g. Anthrax (American band)), so I moved the article to War (American band). Due to the recent name change, category renaming doesn't qualify for speedy. Requesting move of these categories to match article name and naming conventions mentioned herein. Thanks. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:57, 2 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Flora of the Middle East

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (Talk) 14:31, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting flora of the middle east


 * Propose deleting trees of the middle east
 * Nominator's rationale: The Middle East is not a good region to categorise plants by as it is transcontinental (it includes Egypt which is mostly in Africa) and it is not a region in the WGSRPD scheme which the Plants Wikiproject has adopted.  For info: The WGSRPD categories include Category:Flora of the Arabian Peninsula and Category:Flora of Western Asia.
 * Note: these categories were created by the now blocked User:Look2See1.  In the longer term the equivalent fauna/fungi/biota categories could also be deleted for similar reasons, but the argument for deleting these is stronger. DexDor(talk) 21:36, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: After deletion should check that categories such as Category:Flora of the Arabian Peninsula and Category:Flora of Iraq are still in Category:Flora of Asia. DexDor(talk) 12:12, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Strong support Another clear example of non-consensus and unnecessary categories created by this banned user and/or their sockpuppets. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:52, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Johnbod (talk) 19:16, 9 February 2019 (UTC)


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Classes of the Order of the Pleiades (Iran)

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (Talk)
 * Propose renaming Category:First Classes of the Order of the Pleiades (Iran) to Category:Recipients of the Order of the Pleiades (Iran), 1st Class
 * Propose renaming Category:Second Classes of the Order of the Pleiades (Iran) to Category:Recipients of the Order of the Pleiades (Iran), 2nd Class
 * Nominator's rationale: Parent Category:Recipients of the Order of the Pleiades (Iran) uses more clear and encyclopedic wording, so the subcats should follow suit. Whether the class numbers should be spelled out is TBD. Brandmeistertalk  20:18, 2 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Support -- The target has better structured. BUT do we really need it.  It is an AWARD granted by a defunct monarchy to females of its royal family and female foreign dignitaries.  The latter group are people who tend to receive a lot of awards, which is why we have the policy WP:OC.  There is a list in the article.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:18, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per Peterkingiron and per WP:OCAWARD. If kept, support rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:24, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete The Iranian female royalty are already under Category:People of the Pahlavi dynasty per WP:OVERLAPCAT. The foreign female officials are not defined per WP:OC. (If kept, by all means rename.) RevelationDirect (talk) 03:43, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Brandmeister, would you support deletion of these categories? DexDor(talk) 06:33, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Would not mind in that case. Brandmeistertalk  08:29, 13 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Districts of Balochistan Province

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (Talk) 14:30, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting districts of balochistan province


 * Nominator's rationale: A recently created category that duplicates Category:Districts of Balochistan, Pakistan. – Uanfala (talk) 14:18, 2 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 17 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Cold War II

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (Talk) 14:32, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cold war ii


 * Nominator's rationale: This category is used for events relating to Russian–US tensions. However, the whole article "Cold War II" (diff) currently does not mention any events categorized as part of "Cold War II". Also, very few or no reliable sources mention the connection between "Cold War II" and the categorized events, like "Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation", "Group of Two" (which is treated as a mere "see also" link in the parent article) and war in Donbass. The "Cold War II" article briefly mentions the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal but not in substantial detail and does not connect the term and the event. I fear that the category would be misused to (mis)categorize other events that no reliable sources would connect to. George Ho (talk) 07:17, 2 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete, almost nothing in this category is specifically about the tensions between Russia and the US. There is some content about Russian foreign policy and there is some other content about American (or NATO) foreign policy, but linking any of that to Cold War II remains a matter of subjective interpretation. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:19, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep: Stated rationale for deletion does not make any sense at all, even at second or third reading. Could you please clarify on your fears of miscategorization and subjective interpretation? Ceannlann gorm (talk) 09:03, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * To me the "Cold War II" has been mistaken to be actually happening. Well, no sources at this time refer it as a "hoax" or nonexistent; indeed, many news articles refer it to either tensions between Russia and the West or tensions between China and the US. However, we can't be certain whether the categorized events are part of "Cold War II". I believe they are (mis)categorized just because they are part of either tensions between the US and Russia or foreign policies of Russia. To clarify my "fears of mis-categorization", I shall say that Russia-related events were (mis)categorized just because Russia was part of the original Cold War when it was part of the Soviet Union and just to re-heighten fears of Russians. Maybe I'm wrong. Why couldn't China-related events be categorized? For sure I don't know. However, I can see that reliable sources haven't yet categorized the events as part of "Cold War II". George Ho (talk) 21:04, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete as overcategorization. For example, 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis is well categorized by Category:2019 in Venezuela, Category:Political history of Venezuela etc, but does not belong in Category:Russia–European Union relations etc. DexDor(talk) 06:44, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Overcategorization.--Darwinek (talk) 19:16, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete -- No doubt some commentators have referred to "a new cold war", but its scope and such like are too vague to make a useful category. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:20, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete – The category and article seem to be WP:CRYSTALBALL and WP:SYNTH.ZiaLater ( talk ) 07:19, 22 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Textile mills in Saratoga County, New York

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose Renaming & Expanding Category:Textile mills in Saratoga County, New York to Category:Textile mills in New York (state)
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCLOCATION
 * Much of the Mohawk River is almost lined with former mill sites, including the stretch through Saratoga County, so there may be growth potential here. But we don't categorize any other US mills by county, these mills are defined by river not county, and the expanded category could pull a number of articles from Category:Textile mills in the United States including Globe Woolen Company Mills, Harmony Mills, West Brothers Knitting Company and Wild's Mill Complex. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:28, 2 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Support -- The present category is too specific. If they are all water-powered, the next split would probably be by river catchment, of we need to split.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:23, 9 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Lists of fictional gangs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Lists of fictional gangs
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NARROWCAT and WP:SMALLCAT
 * We have one list article for fictional gangs unsurprisingly named List of fictional gangs and that's the only thing in this narrow category. That article is already well categorized under Category:Fictional gangs, Category:Lists of fictional organizations and Category:Lists of gangs and the category has limited room for growth. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:26, 2 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Brandmeistertalk  18:07, 7 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Male guitarists

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. There is no support for deleting these specific categories. The more general issue of occupation-based categories split by genders is beyond the scope of this single CfD, but an RfC about their usefulness may be in order. Regardless, there is consensus to keep these categories. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:53, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting male guitarists


 * Propose deleting american male guitarists


 * Propose deleting belgian male guitarists


 * Propose deleting brazilian male guitarists


 * Propose deleting british male guitarists


 * Propose deleting english male guitarists


 * Propose deleting canadian male guitarists


 * Propose deleting dutch male guitarists


 * Propose deleting french male guitarists


 * Propose deleting norwegian male guitarists


 * Nominator's rationale: Guitarists aren't defined by their gender. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 02:24, 2 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - These are fine - there are many thousands of other categories which are split under male and female. It is useful to list occupations separately into male and female categories eg. so many subcats under Category:Men by occupation / Category:Women by occupation. So there would be no need to have this specific occupation deleted; and also, Category:Female guitarists exists. Hiddenstranger (talk) 03:02, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I created the first two, as well as some other "male X" categories, because there were corresponding female categories. If these are deleted, the categories for female guitarists should be deleted as well. Both or neither; only one makes no sense and creates bias. ♫ ekips39 (talk) ❀ 04:00, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, music artists are often split by gender and discussed in that context. It's useful for encyclopedic, specifically historical and research purposes. Brandmeistertalk  20:28, 2 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep So I what I have to write? User:Lucifero4
 * Presumably just deleting guitarists by gender does not make too much sense. However, I really wonder why we would distinguish musicians by gender at all, except we should of course distinguish singers as (mezzo-)sopranos, tenors, baritones, basses, which usually coincides with gender. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:05, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Distinguishing is useful in some encyclopedic fields, particularly history, music history, gender studies and cultural anthropology. For Wikipedia which, as a general reference work, combines these fields it's equally useful. Brandmeistertalk  17:34, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * On the other hand we also have WP:EGRS which - translated to this case - says that we shouldn't categorize by gender unless the intersection by gender is a notable topic in its own right. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:07, 6 February 2019 (UTC)


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