Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 February 3



Category:Aluminium Nag Hammâdi managers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:28, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Aluminium Nag Hammâdi managers to Category:Al Aluminium SC managers
 * Nominator's rationale: Requesting renaming to match parent article. Ben5218 (talk) 23:09, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per Al Aluminium SC which has been stable for some months. Oculi (talk) 10:47, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per CFDS C2D (match parent article name). GiantSnowman 11:27, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Aluminium Nag Hammâdi

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Aluminium Nag Hammâdi to Category:Al Aluminium SC
 * Nominator's rationale: Requesting renaming to match parent article. Ben5218 (talk) 23:08, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per Al Aluminium SC which has been stable for some months. Oculi (talk) 10:47, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per CFDS C2D (match parent article name). GiantSnowman 11:27, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Aluminium Nag Hammâdi players

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Aluminium Nag Hammâdi players to Category:Al Aluminium SC players
 * Nominator's rationale: Requesting renaming to match parent article. Ben5218 (talk) 23:07, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per Al Aluminium SC which has been stable for some months. Oculi (talk) 10:47, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per CFDS C2D (match parent article name). GiantSnowman 11:28, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 11:28, 4 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Support Xaris333 (talk) 15:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Public health doctors by nationality

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus on renaming. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Public health doctors by nationality to Category:People in public health by nationality
 * Nominator's rationale: One of the parent categories is Category:People in public health. There isn't a category of Public health doctors, and it is no longer true that all the people who do this sort of work are doctors. The situation varies from country to country.  I'm not proposing to rename all the country categories, but I want to be able to categorize those who are not doctors by nationality. Rathfelder (talk) 23:00, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment - I just went ahead and created the missing parent, Category:Public health doctors. Strange that it wasn't created a long time ago... In any event, you're certainly free to create Category:People in public health by nationality on your own accord, if you feel there are enough non-doctor articles to justify such a category scheme. (And of course it could also serve as another parent for Category:Public health doctors by nationality.) Cheers, Anomalous+0 (talk) 00:10, 4 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:12th-century Catholic Church Councils

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:48, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:12th-century Catholic Church Councils to Category:12th-century Catholic Church councils
 * Nominator's rationale: Uncapitalize "councils," per consistency with the other entries in Category:Catholic Church councils by century. DannyS712 (talk) 22:44, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Johnbod (talk) 19:18, 9 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:For life politicians

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename (WP:NAC). DexDor(talk) 21:32, 14 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:For life politicians to Category:Opposition Platform — For Life politicians
 * Nominator's rationale: merge because of official renaming of party (News in official website of party). Севастополец (talk) 21:15, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Support - per the article Opposition Platform — For Life. Oculi (talk) 10:43, 4 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Germanic countries and territories

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted at WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 19. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:02, 19 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting germanic countries and territories


 * Propose deleting germanic empires


 * Propose deleting germanic culture by country


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF, "Germanic" is not a defining characteristic of e.g. Austria or Denmark, nor was it a defining characteristic of e.g. the British Empire or the Swedish Empire, nor is it a defining characteristic of the culture of these countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:15, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Per the sources cited at Germanic peoples: Post-migration ethnogeneses, i'm inclined towards Strong keep on all counts. Nominator has for a long time sought to erase catogories concerning Germanic peoples (which the nominator tellingly graces with scare quotes), including Category:Germanic peoples itself.. The nominations above fit the same old pattern.
 * Germanic countries and territories - Germanic heritage is the defining characteristic, according to scholarly sources, of several European countries. One Europe, Many Nations: A Historical Dictionary of European National Groups by James Minahan states: "The Germans are an ancient ethnic group, the basic stock in the composition of the peoples of Germany, Scandinavia, Austria, Switzerland, northern Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, north and central France, lowland Scotland, and England." Minahan classifies Denmark and Austria (and several other countries) as Germanic nations.
 * The category is consistent with Category:Austroasiatic countries and territories, Category:Romance countries and territories, Category:Slavic countries and territories, Category:Finno-Ugric countries and territories, Category:Sino-Tibetan countries and territories etc. It would be a better idea to nominate Category:Administrative territorial entities by language rather than singling out only the Germanic category for deletion.
 * Category:Germanic empires - The British empire was the empire of the English people, who are defined as a Germanic people. The Swedish Empire was the empire of the Swedes, who are defined as a Germanic people. The Holy Roman Empire, which was an empire composed of various Germanic peoples, including Dutch people, Frisians, Germans (Saxons, Franks, Bavarians, Swabians etc.), literally called itself the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation (Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation). Germanic heritage is clearly a defining characteristic for these empires.
 * Category:Germanic culture by country - As already stated and cited, Austrians/Austria, Swedes/Sweden and several other peoples/countries, are defined as Germanic countries/peoples by scholarly sources.
 * There is no denial that British or Austrian or Swedish people are Germanic-speaking peoples, the critical point is that e.g. the British Empire is not defined as a Germanic Empire. Please check WP:DEFINING. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:27, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * As the claim by the nominator regarding defining characteristics is contradicted by scholarly sources, the suggested deletions cannot possibly be a benefit to Wikipedia. Krakkos (talk) 23:15, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * This is a confusing comment because this nomination is not about Category:Germanic peoples. Let's for example take Austria. This country is not defined as a Germanic country in or in  or in  or in . An oppose vote should contain links in which Austria is defined as a Germanic country in a description of Austria (rather than in a description of Germanic). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:38, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The nomination is about Category:Germanic countries and territories, Germanic empires and Category:Germanic culture by country. Each of these nominations were responded to separately in the comment above. Your argument from silence based on a selected group of sources is weak. The World Factbook and the Encyclopædia Britannica generally do not mention the ethnolingustic affiliation of countries. By your reasoning, one might as well delete Category:Austroasiatic countries and territories, Category:Bantu countries and territories, Category:Finno-Ugric countries and territories, Category:Romance countries and territories, Category:Sino-Tibetan countries and territories, Category:Slavic countries and territories, Category:Turkic countries and territories and other categories contained at Category:Administrative territorial entities by language rather than singling out Germanic catogories for deletion. Austria is defined as a Germanic country in a large number of scholarly sources. A similar abundance of sources can be found for the other countries contained in the categories. Krakkos (talk) 12:05, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The sources that you cite mention Germanic not in the lede of the description of Austria, therefore is not a defining characteristic. Please note that we do not categorize by just any characteristic. About Bantu countries etc., while that is an WP:OSE argument, it is likely that you are right that the same may apply to other ethnolinguistic groups. I will dig into that further. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Collier's Encyclopedia states in its lead that "Austria is a Germanic country". Please do dig. If being a "Bantu country" is a defining characteristic of South Africa, then being a Germanic country is surely a defining characteristic of Iceland. Krakkos (talk) 23:37, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * It was merely mentioned in a subsection, not as a defining characteristic of the country. Besides it wouldn't surprise me if Bantu country is not a defining characteristic of South Africa either. (What about the Koisan?) Marcocapelle (talk) 18:49, 11 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom (it's overcategorization to categorize countries under peoples) and if not deleted purge of most/all subcategories as there's no way that every article in Category:Geography of Sweden belongs in a Germanic category (and this sort of categorization often causes category loops). DexDor(talk) 19:26, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Pinging Aleksandr Grigoryev, Blomsterhagens, RainbowSilver2ndBackup, Brandmeister, User:Peterkingiron and User:Greyshark09, who have participated in earlier related discussions. Krakkos (talk) 23:51, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep "Germanic countries" - Google Scholar gives 3520 results for the term "germanic countries". That's good enough for me. Blomsterhagens (talk) 01:09, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Same here RainbowSilver2ndBackup (talk) 03:19, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The discussion is not about notability but about definingness, i.e. whether this characteristic usually appears as one of the key characteristics of a country. It doesn't. Please check WP:DEFINING. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:03, 6 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Weak oppose - It is evident that we do have WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but that is not the guideline to keep it. We also do not have Category:Semitic countries or Category:Semitic Empires. However, it looks somewhat useful categorization on cultural grounds to me. Maybe more opinions are required to get it clear.GreyShark (dibra) 07:01, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Category:Germanic empires and Category:Germanic culture by country as WP:NONDEF. For Category:Germanic countries and territories this does look defining in my opinion, so I'd favor keeping that category alone. Brandmeistertalk  18:13, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 * This has survived for years as a LINGUISTIC category, but of course it is User:Krakkos who came along one day and decided to make it ETHNIC. If kept it should be returned to the old definition. No big objection then. Is there no end to the harm this editor does? Johnbod (talk) 19:22, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * A linguistic category, Category:Germanic-speaking countries and territories, already exists. That category is not identical to Category:Germanic countries and territories. Ireland, Scotland and Wales are classified as Germanic-speaking countries, but are nevertheless Celtic countries, rather than Germanic countries. Krakkos (talk) 19:48, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Which neatly shows the nonsense involved in any ethnic classification on this scale (look at the genetic studies, and indeed the histories of the countries). So delete the countries one, as not needed, and the empires one. The other is a twig on a larger, & probably diseased, tree, & the whole tree should be taken in one go. Johnbod (talk) 19:57, 9 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete countries and territories. What about countries with overlapping histories?  Switzerland's simultaneously Germanic and Romance.  France speaks a Romance language, but its indigenous people are Germanic.  Many countries speak English despite having only a small percentage of people of English, German, etc. descent (consider Demographics of Jamaica or Demographics of Hong Kong for a couple of extreme examples), and the English-speaking USA has a massive percentage of individuals (including me) who are partly descended from Germanic people and partly from non-Germanic.  Keep culture; you nominated a meta-category but not the subcategories, which makes no sense unless you're doing a trial nomination and planning to nominate the subcategories later.  Unsure about empires.  Nyttend (talk) 12:42, 16 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Monasteries in Kazan

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Places of worship in Kazan and Category:Monasteries in Tatarstan. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:54, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Monasteries in Kazan to Category:Churches in Kazan
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article in this category, and with only some 100 articles about monasteries all over Russia a subcategorization scheme by medium-sized cities is not very meaningful. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:28, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge into parents. I don't think a monastery is a church. Oculi (talk) 16:17, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I also don't think so, but usually Christian monasteries contain a church. In this case the Vvedensky Cathedral and Vladimirskaya Church. Churches seems a better target than the more general Category:Buildings and structures in Kazan. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:25, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment - the main parent for both would be . Merging it back into that would be sensible. Grutness... wha?   02:10, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * That is also fine with me. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:04, 6 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:University of Florida College of Law alumni

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 * The result of the discussion was: procedural close, nominator has been moved nomination to CFDS. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 22:34, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 * * Propose renaming Category:University of Florida College of Law alumni to Category:Fredric G. Levin College of Law alumni
 * Nominator's rationale: C2D vs. Fredric G. Levin College of Law. Also C2C with the rest of Category:Alumni by law school in the United States: Category:Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law alumni‎ instead of Category:Yeshiva University Law School alumni, Category:J. Reuben Clark Law School alumni instead of Category:Brigham Young University Law School alumni, etc. Lagrange613 10:00, 3 February 2019 (UTC) Refiled at speedy, where it belonged in the first place. Apologies for getting Twinkle-happy. Lagrange613 01:56, 7 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:PBA D-League Aspirant's Cup

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:PBA D-League Aspirant's Cup to Category:PBA D-League Aspirants' Cup
 * Nominator's rationale: "Aspirants" is supposed to be plural as there's many of them. Howard the Duck (talk) 07:03, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


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Template:Evangelical Christianity-stub

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting


 * Nominator's rationale: Unused, unneeded stub template DannyS712 (talk) 04:16, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid you've come to the wrong place. What you want is called Templates for discussion. Anomalous+0 (talk) 12:51, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Not entirely the wrong place. According to WP:CFD, the scope is categories and stub types. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:28, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete No transclusions, and not proposed at WP:WSS/P, let alone authorised there. Stub templates have been discussed at CFD since WP:SFD was closed down several years ago. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 14:42, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the 411. Anomalous+0 (talk) 22:36, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Also incorrectly named by stub naming conventions (stub templates don't have spaces in their names, they have hyphens) and redlinked (no parent category). Seems to have been created specifically for use by a WikiProject by someone who doesn't realise that individual projects use talk page banners for stubbing purposes (and a lot more besides). Grutness... wha?   14:47, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Project connected with the portal that exists in different languages (English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, German and Russian): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Evangelical_Christianity Thank you very much. --ServB1 (talk) 16:12, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
 * ...all of which has no bearing on whether a stub template exists. In fact, as I pointed out above, a talk page template would be far more useful for an established WikiProject (see here). Grutness... wha?   00:06, 5 February 2019 (UTC)


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