Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 26



Category:Ducal Lithuanian people

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Ducal Lithuanian people to Category:People of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania
 * Nominator's rationale: Just requested speedy rename of Category:People of Grand Duchy of Lithuania to Category:People of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. I see no scope difference between "People of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania" and "Ducal Lithuanian people". Renata (talk) 21:32, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Support the battle against the tyranny of demonyms. Down with this sort of thing. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:15, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Montreal Jazz

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting montreal jazz


 * Nominator's rationale: Small category (2 articles) of a defunct, one-season minor league basketball team. Highly unlikely that the category will grow in near future. TM 17:16, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. I agree with the rationale of the nominator. I would also add that the last article in the category doesn't seem to be about the basketball team, so perhaps it doesn't belong in the category at all. A really paranoid android (talk) 22:41, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. WP:SMALLCAT for a defunct sports team that only played a single season and has never been revived since, and thus has virtually no prospect of future expansion. The erroneous inclusion of SLĀV (which I've already removed) also clearly indicates that the category is prone to misuse due to ambiguity — despite being intended for a basketball team, it's plainly vulnerable to the misfiling of articles about jazz music with Montreal connections, such as the Montreal International Jazz Festival and Oscar Peterson and Daisy Sweeney and Oliver Jones. So even if this were to be kept, it would be necessary to rename it for clarity. Bearcat (talk) 18:03, 27 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Archaeological sites of medieval Anatolia

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 19:46, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Archaeological sites of medieval Anatolia with Category:Byzantine sites in Turkey to Category:Archaeological sites of Byzantine Anatolia
 * Nominator's rationale: merge and rename, a container category with just one subcategory does not aid navigation. The merged category should be parented by Category:Byzantine sites in Asia, Category:Byzantine Anatolia and Category:Archaeological sites in Turkey by period, combining the parenting of the current categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:39, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Query What about Zerzevan Castle. It's in Turkey but not in Anatolia. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:19, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * That is an excellent point, I overlooked that Upper Mesopotamia is also partly Turkish. So there are two options: merge but keep Category:Byzantine sites in Turkey as the category name; or merge and then split into Anatolia and Upper Mesopotamia. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 27 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Medieval Anatolia is not only Byzantine (Seljuks, Turkish beyliks, Armenian Cilicia & Crusaders), and Anatolia is not Turkey (there's Eastern Thrace in addition to parts of Upper Mesopotamia and northern Syria, as well as large swathes of the Armenian highlands). Constantine  ✍  10:00, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * So in the end the conclusion is simply that Category:Archaeological sites of medieval Anatolia is a wrong parent of Category:Byzantine sites in Turkey because Anatolia is much narrower than Turkey. if you agree with that conclusion, I'll remove the parent and we can close the discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:53, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The most simple solution would be to have a Category:Byzantine sites in Anatolia as a subcategory of both Category:Archaeological sites of medieval Anatolia and Category:Byzantine sites in Turkey. If there are no objections, I can create it and sort the articles accordingly. --Constantine  ✍  17:23, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, no objection at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:34, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. Going ahead with it now. Constantine  ✍  23:01, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:48, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose as nom per Constantine. The Byzantine monuments in Istanbul are in Turkey but not in Anatolia. Place Clichy (talk) 18:15, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment the nomination has become pretty moot with the subsequent creation of the intersection category Category:Byzantine sites in Anatolia, which is a very good solution. do you think withdrawal is in order? Place Clichy (talk) 16:59, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Correct, this is now withdrawn. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:46, 29 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:African pangolins

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Unopposed after 11 days. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:57, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:African pangolins to Category:Pangolins of Sub-Saharan Africa
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistency with similar categories e.g. Category:Antelopes of Sub-Saharan Africa. Note: This is currently under a sub-saharan category. DexDor(talk) 08:51, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Haakon VII 70th Anniversary Medal

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:16, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of the Haakon VII 70th Anniversary Medal
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:ARBITRARYCAT and WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
 * The Haakon VII 70th Anniversary Medal was given to every soldier who served in the Free Norwegian forces on the 70th birthday of Haakon VII of Norway (3 August 1942). If you stopped serving on August 2nd or started on August 4th, you wouldn't receive the award.  If anyone wants to create a list article, I saved the members of the category here. – RevelationDirect (talk) 03:31, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Background We deleted similar anniversary categories for other countries here and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:31, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. A military award that was presented to every single person who happened to be serving in the military on one particular day is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic for the purposes of justifying a category. It's not even really a notability-maker in the first place, in that if a person did not have additional notability claims besides this, they would not get a Wikipedia article on this basis in and of itself. No objection to listifying if desired — although such a list might be vulnerable to the inclusion of names of non-notable recipients as well, so we'd have to think carefully about whether a list was really justified or not — but it's not a useful basis for categorizing them. Bearcat (talk) 18:12, 27 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Bicycle gangs

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose Upmerging Category:Bicycle gangs to Category:Cycling clubs
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:POVNAMING and WP:SUBJECTIVECAT
 * Both the gang article and Category:Gangs refer to criminal organizations and none of the articles here are about organized crime groups. 2 of the 6 articles do use the term but there is no main article on a Bicycle gang to provide context and it's unclear what objective criteria would exist. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:29, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. I completely agree with the nominator's description of the content and rationale for the proposed change. The content is valuable but currently mis-categorized. A really paranoid android (talk) 15:56, 27 January 2019 (UTC)


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