Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 4



Category:Volleyball clubs disestablished in 2018

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 00:55, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Volleyball clubs disestablished in 2018 to Category:Sports clubs disestablished in 2018
 * Nominator's rationale: Not part of any series. I don't think we have enough articles on defunct volleyball clubs to justify a set of by-year disestablishment categories. Petcsan shows only 30 volleyball clubs categorised in Category:Sports clubs by year of disestablishment, which is not really enough for even a viable set of by-decade categories.  Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:03, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Seems the first one of the style created for volleyball, with just one entry. There are many defunct tournaments/events each year but defunct clubs are always going to be a very small number each year. As such a sub-cat of Category:Volleyball clubs eg Category:Defunct volleyball clubs would seem more sensible than a year by year category. Nigej (talk) 10:49, 14 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Dutch academics

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy close / withdrawn. The correct nomination is on the next day's page. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:05, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Dutch academics to Category:Dutch academic researchers
 * Nominator's rationale: This is the only nationality subcategory of Category:Researchers. There is a well populated category tree of academics. Academics are not always researchers, but most of them are, and there are subcats for administrators. Rathfelder (talk) 20:46, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Reverse merge - is what the nom means, I think, except the wrong one is tagged. Category:Dutch academics is perfectly fine, subcat of Category:Academics by nationality. Category:Dutch academic researchers is not fine as there is no Category:Academic researchers. Perhaps a 2nd merge is needed, to Category:Researchers or subcats thereof. Oculi (talk) 22:05, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oculi knows what I meant!  I withdraw this, which is the wrong way round.  Rathfelder (talk) 14:32, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Christian denominations active in Germany

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_February_26. ~ Rob 13 Talk 05:47, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Christian denominations active in Germany to Category:Christian denominations in Germany
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:OVERLAPCAT, the scope of this category largely overlaps with its parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:39, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom. Brandmeistertalk  20:46, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete both I just do not see a justification of categorizing The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints by every country it has a presence in. This is the type of thing that can be handled by a list, but not an article. Even more so because categories always apply. So for example The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints article would have to be put in categories where it once operated but does not currently. This is just a headache causing mess as a category, but manageable and doable with by country list articles, that can specify things like times of operation, number and percentage of adherents, number of congregations and related useful statistics.John Pack Lambert (talk) 08:07, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Presumably you mean further upmerge, don't you? Without merging, all subcategories become orphaned, and that is probably not the intention. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:59, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete both and upmerge to Category:Christianity in Germany. This whole Christian denominations in  category is bogus. It has in it faiths or churches that are not denominations (e.g. Catholicism, Eastern Christianity) while other very similar categories are found at a different category level, sometimes at the root category, such as Category:Protestantism in Germany. I think that Category:Catholicism in Germany, Category:Eastern Christianity in Germany, Category:Protestantism in Germany and maybe Category:Anglicanism in Germany should be placed at the root of Category:Christianity in Germany, and the other categories placed within these. Place Clichy (talk) 19:49, 22 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:First events

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering (Talk) 22:37, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting first events


 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant to what we already have (Category:Introductions, Category:Establishments, Category:Debuts, etc), as such WP:OVERLAPCAT. The inclusion criteria are also shaky, producing a mishmash of various unrelated articles. Brandmeistertalk  16:47, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Weak oppose, the articles are not really a mishmash, because they are about the first edition of a series of events. As such they do not fit in Category:Introductions, Category:Establishments, or Category:Debuts. I have added "weak" in my oppose because I wonder if this is perhaps a too trivial characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:14, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm trying to imagine the Wikipedia reader who would want an easy navigation path between Category:Apollo 11, American Idol (season 1) and Category:Indigenous peoples. RevelationDirect (talk) 19:24, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. At first, I was going to say WP:ARBITRARYCAT, but that doesn't quite fit. This is so broad as to be non-defining for a substantial number of articles that fit the inclusion criteria, but I don't think that's the best argument against this category either. Setting aside specific guidelines, categories are intended to bring together a selection of articles that readers or editors would wish to navigate between. This is highly unlikely to do that, per above. ~ Rob 13 Talk 05:52, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:DtBPageS

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 13:31, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dtbpages


 * Nominator's rationale: He can see the same via Special:PrefixIndex/Dibyendutwipzbiswas. There's no need to create such a category.( Per ). Siddiqsazzad001       13:58, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per extensive precedent deleting categories for specific users. VegaDark (talk) 07:18, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


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Churches by city (Italy, dual merge)

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all per this concurrent CfD with similar arguments. ~ Rob 13 Talk 07:10, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Alcamo to Category:Buildings and structures in Alcamo and Category:Churches in the province of Trapani
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Ancona to Category:Buildings and structures in Ancona and Category:Churches in the Province of Ancona
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Arezzo to Category:Buildings and structures in Arezzo and Category:Churches in the province of Arezzo
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Ascoli Piceno to Category:Buildings and structures in Ascoli Piceno and Category:Churches in the Province of Ascoli Piceno
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Assisi to Category:Buildings and structures in Assisi and Category:Churches in the province of Perugia
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Bari to Category:Buildings and structures in Bari and Category:Churches in the metropolitan city of Bari‎

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 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Benevento to Category:Buildings and structures in Benevento and Category:Churches in the province of Benevento
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Bologna to Category:Buildings and structures in Bologna and Category:Churches in the province of Bologna
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Brescia to Category:Buildings and structures in Brescia and Category:Churches in the province of Brescia
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Camerino to Category:Buildings and structures in Camerino and Category:Churches in the Province of Macerata
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Capri, Campania to Category:Buildings and structures in Capri, Campania and Category:Churches in the metropolitan city of Naples
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Carpi to Category:Buildings and structures in Carpi and Category:Churches in the province of Modena
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Casale Monferrato to Category:Casale Monferrato and Category:Churches in the province of Alessandria
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Castellammare di Stabia to Category:Castellammare di Stabia and Category:Churches in the metropolitan city of Naples
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Catania to Category:Buildings and structures in Catania and Category:Churches in the province of Catania
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Cento to Category:Cento and Category:Churches in the province of Ferrara
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Cesena to Category:Buildings and structures in Cesena and Category:Churches in the province of Forlì-Cesena
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Civitanova Marche to Category:Civitanova Marche and Category:Churches in the Province of Macerata
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Cortona to Category:Buildings and structures in Cortona and Category:Churches in the province of Arezzo
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Cremona to Category:Buildings and structures in Cremona and Category:Churches in the province of Cremona
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Fabriano to Category:Fabriano and Category:Churches in the Province of Ancona
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Faenza to Category:Buildings and structures in Faenza and Category:Churches in the province of Ravenna
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Fermo to Category:Fermo and Category:Churches in the Province of Fermo
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Ferrara to Category:Buildings and structures in Ferrara and Category:Churches in the province of Ferrara
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Foligno to Category:Buildings and structures in Foligno and Category:Churches in the province of Perugia
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Genoa to Category:Buildings and structures in Genoa and Category:Churches in the province of Genoa
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Grosseto to Category:Buildings and structures in Grosseto and Category:Churches in the province of Grosseto
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Gubbio to Category:Buildings and structures in Gubbio and Category:Churches in the province of Perugia
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Ivrea to Category:Ivrea and Category:Churches in the province of Turin
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in L'Aquila to Category:Buildings and structures in L'Aquila and Category:Churches in the province of L'Aquila‎
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Lecco to Category:Lecco and Category:Churches in the province of Lecco
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Lendinara to Category:Buildings and structures in Lendinara and Category:Churches in the province of Rovigo
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Lodi, Lombardy to Category:Lodi, Lombardy and Category:Churches in the province of Lodi
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Lucca to Category:Buildings and structures in Lucca and Category:Churches in the province of Lucca
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Macerata to Category:Buildings and structures in Macerata and Category:Churches in the Province of Macerata
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Mantua to Category:Buildings and structures in Mantua and Category:Churches in the province of Mantua
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Milan to Category:Buildings and structures in Milan and Category:Christianity in Milan and Category:Churches in the metropolitan city of Milan‎
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Modena to Category:Buildings and structures in Modena and Category:Churches in the province of Modena
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Mondavio to Category:Mondavio and Category:Churches in the Province of Pesaro and Urbino
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Mondolfo to Category:Churches in the Province of Pesaro and Urbino
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Montalcino to Category:Buildings and structures in Montalcino and Category:Churches in the province of Siena
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Monza to Category:Buildings and structures in Monza and Category:Churches in the province of Monza and Brianza
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Orvieto to Category:Buildings and structures in Orvieto and Category:Churches in the province of Terni
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Osimo to Category:Osimo and Category:Churches in the Province of Ancona
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Padua to Category:Buildings and structures in Padua and Category:Churches in the province of Padova
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Palermo to Category:Buildings and structures in Palermo and Category:Christianity in Palermo and Category:Churches in the metropolitan city of Palermo‎
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Parma to Category:Buildings and structures in Parma and Category:Churches in the province of Parma
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Pavia to Category:Buildings and structures in Pavia and Category:Churches in the province of Pavia
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Perugia to Category:Buildings and structures in Perugia and Category:Churches in the province of Perugia
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Pesaro to Category:Buildings and structures in Pesaro and Category:Churches in the Province of Pesaro and Urbino
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Piacenza to Category:Buildings and structures in Piacenza and Category:Churches in the province of Piacenza
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Pisa to Category:Buildings and structures in Pisa and Category:Churches in the province of Pisa
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Pistoia to Category:Buildings and structures in Pistoia and Category:Churches in the province of Pistoia
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Potenza to Category:Potenza and Category:Churches in the province of Potenza
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Prato to Category:Buildings and structures in Prato and Category:Churches in the province of Prato
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Ragusa to Category:Ragusa and Category:Churches in the province of Ragusa
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Ravenna to Category:Buildings and structures in Ravenna and Category:Churches in the province of Ravenna
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Recanati to Category:Recanati and Category:Churches in the Province of Macerata
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Reggio Calabria to Category:Buildings and structures in Reggio Calabria and Category:Churches in the province of Reggio Calabria
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Reggio Emilia to Category:Buildings and structures in Reggio Emilia and Category:Churches in the province of Reggio Emilia
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Rimini to Category:Buildings and structures in Rimini and Category:Churches in the province of Rimini
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in San Gimignano to Category:Buildings and structures in San Gimignano and Category:Churches in the province of Siena
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in San Severino Marche to Category:Buildings and structures in San Severino Marche and Category:Churches in the Province of Macerata
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Sansepolcro to Category:Buildings and structures in Sansepolcro and Category:Churches in the province of Arezzo
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Siena to Category:Buildings and structures in Siena and Category:Churches in the province of Siena
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Turin to Category:Buildings and structures in Turin and Category:Churches in the province of Turin
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Urbania to Category:Buildings and structures in Urbania and Category:Churches in the Province of Pesaro and Urbino
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Urbino to Category:Buildings and structures in Urbino and Category:Churches in the Province of Pesaro and Urbino
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Venafro to Category:Buildings and structures in Venafro and Category:Churches in the province of Isernia
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Verona to Category:Buildings and structures in Verona and Category:Churches in the province of Verona
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Vicenza to Category:Buildings and structures in Vicenza and Category:Churches in the province of Vicenza
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Viterbo to Category:Buildings and structures in Viterbo and Category:Churches in the province of Viterbo
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Volterra to Category:Buildings and structures in Volterra and Category:Churches in the province of Pisa
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Volterra to Category:Buildings and structures in Volterra and Category:Churches in the province of Pisa


 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, all the above categories only contain 1 article and/or 1 (Roman Catholic) subcategory. See also this earlier nomination which is still open. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:40, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose. WP:SMALLCAT does not apply to all categories which are currently small.  It is for cats which "by their very definition, will never have more than a few members, unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme".
 * I checked the first ten categories nominated. All but one of those has a subcat for churches of RC denomination. Whatever your intention here, the effect of this merger is that non-Catholic churches in those cities will not be categorised as churches within the same area.  That is not an NPOV outcome.  (If your aim was to promote the hardline Catholic view that non-Catholic churches are not "real" churches, this would be a good way of doing it).
 * This whole process of trying to rip out layers of container categories is fundamentally mistaken, because it pointlessly disrupts the consistency of the category system. That makes it harder to maintain and to navigate.
 * By removing this layer from cities where we do already have a reasonable number of articles per city, a reader looking at the set of churches-by-city categories would get the false impression that there are few or no articles on churches in that city.
 * The category system is a directional lattice based on consistency. Removing intermediate parts of that lattice because the article structure is underdeveloped undermines one of the pillars of that consistency principle, with no advantage to readers or editors.  It is a pointless, disruptive make-work, both now and in the future when those categories are needed. See WP:DEMOLISH. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:06, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * My aim is certainly not to promote the hardline Catholic view that non-Catholic churches are not real churches, this particular impact occurs in Italy because Italy happens to be a more than 90% Catholic country. Other than that, this discussion is continued at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_January_5. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:12, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Support all BHG comments "By removing this layer from cities where we do already have a reasonable number of articles per city, a reader looking at the set of churches-by-city categories would get the false impression that there are few or no articles on churches in that city."; the whole point of the nomination is that we do not have a reasonable number of articles per city. So for a reader get the impression that there are few or no articles on churches in that city would be entirely accurate. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:55, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge Most/Neutral on Bologna, Brescia, Palermo, Pisa, Ravenna & Turin Adding a navigation layer for towns we only have Catholic church articles for doesn't aid navigation. Not sure if I agree with BHG's argument for keeping a parent category with one non-Catholic article or not, but there's no reason to keep it for the the ones with zero. RevelationDirect (talk) 21:17, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


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Churches by city (Italy, 1 merge target)

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all per this concurrent CfD with similar arguments. ~ Rob 13 Talk 07:10, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Acqui Terme to Category:Churches in the province of Alessandria
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Barga to Category:Churches in the province of Lucca
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Cagli to Category:Churches in the Province of Pesaro and Urbino
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Carmignano to Category:Churches in the province of Prato
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Camporotondo di Fiastrone to Category:Churches in the Province of Macerata
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Chieri to Category:Churches in the province of Turin
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Cingoli to Category:Churches in the Province of Macerata
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Marsico Nuovo to Category:Churches in the province of Potenza
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Matelica to Category:Churches in the Province of Macerata
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Montefiascone to Category:Churches in the province of Viterbo
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Pescia to Category:Churches in the province of Pistoia
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Racconigi to Category:Churches in the province of Cuneo
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Riccia to Category:Churches in the province of Campobasso
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Sarzana to Category:Churches in the province of La Spezia
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, all the above categories only contain 1 article and/or 1 (Roman Catholic) subcategory. In the above cases one merge target has been specified, because there is no category tree for the town, e.g. Category:Acqui Terme and Category:Buildings and structures in Acqui Terme do not exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:39, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose. WP:SMALLCAT does not apply to all categories which are currently small.  It is for cats which "by their very definition, will never have more than a few members, unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme".
 * I checked all the categories nominated. All but one of those has a subcat for churches of RC denomination. Whatever your intention here, the effect of this merger is that non-Catholic churches in those cities will not be categorised as churches within the same area.  That is not an NPOV outcome.  (If your aim was to promote the hardline Catholic view that non-Catholic churches are not "real" churches, this would be a good way of doing it).
 * This whole process of trying to rip out layers of container categories is fundamentally mistaken, because it pointlessly disrupts the consistency of the category system. That makes it harder to maintain and to navigate.
 * By removing this layer from cities where we do already have a reasonable number of articles per city, a reader looking at the set of churches-by-city categories would get the false impression that there are few or no articles on churches in that city.
 * The category system is a directional lattice based on consistency. Removing intermediate parts of that lattice because the article structure is underdeveloped undermines one of the pillars of that consistency principle, with no advantage to readers or editors.  It is a pointless, disruptive make-work, both now and in the future when those categories are needed. See WP:DEMOLISH. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:04, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * My aim is certainly not to promote the hardline Catholic view that non-Catholic churches are not real churches, this particular impact occurs in Italy because Italy happens to be a more than 90% Catholic country. Other than that, this discussion is continued at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_January_5. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:13, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge All A single editor creating tons of extra categories does not make "a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme". Not a signle one of these categories has non-Catholic content and add an unnecessary layers to navigation. RevelationDirect (talk) 21:22, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge All per nom and RevelationDirect. Chicken Licken can relax - the sky won't fall. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:01, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * support the fact of the matter is that most non-Catholic Church buildings in Italy are not notable, dividing them into categories by city makes no sense and just hinders navigation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:40, 6 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:WWE Hall of Fame (1994) inductees

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. While the numbers are even here, the strength of arguments is rather clearly in favor of a merge. Editors who voted "keep" successfully argued that being in the WWE Hall of Fame is defining, but none attempted an argument about why being inducted specifically in a given year is defining. The argument related to the size of a combined category is extremely weak; a category with 191 articles is downright typical. The unrefuted arguments in favor of a merge are supported strongly by our guidelines. ~ Rob 13 Talk 05:57, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (1994) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (1995) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (1996) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (2004) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (2005) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (2006) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (2007) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (2008) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (2009) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (2010) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (2011) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (2012) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (2013) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (2014) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (2015) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (2016) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (2017) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Propose merging Category:WWE Hall of Fame (2018) inductees to Category:WWE Hall of Fame inductees
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAT The year in which one is inducted into a Hall of Fame is non-defining. TM 03:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Question is the Hall of Fame defining at all? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly defining, Gene Okerlund just died and mainstream articles open their headlines with his WWE Hall of Fame status, NBC News: Top WWE interviewer and Hall of Famer 'Mean Gene' Okerlund dies at 76, USA Today: WWE Hall of Famer 'Mean' Gene Okerlund dies at age 76, BET: WWE Hall Of Fame Interviewer ‘Mean’ Gene Okerlund Dies At Age 76, Post and Courier: ‘Mean Gene’ Okerlund, Hall of Fame pro wrestling announcer, dead at 76. LM2000 (talk) 10:08, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * That's more in response to 's question. I believe it was who split them by year after the main category was filled will all of the individual inductees. LM2000 (talk) 12:51, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I believe it was who broke them out but I support the split. Looking at it, a combined category would have 191 pages in it, the split appears warranted to me. -  Galatz גאליץ   שיחה Talk  14:11, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Yes it IS defining as I am sure that one day there will be a REAL PHYSICAL WWE hall of fame building, and the years should be kept split up as well. Davidgoodheart (talk) 10:03, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No other HOF class is broken out like this. For example . 191 articles in a category is not especially large.--TM 23:33, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge All The Keep votes above establish why being inducted into the WWE hall of fame is defining. None establish why it's defining if you were inducted in 1994 or 2001 though. RevelationDirect (talk) 21:26, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge per Namiba and RevelationDirect. BTW, the continued obsession in this walled garden corner of the encyclopedia with "defining" still rings pretty hollow when we continue to have countless biographical articles with subjects whose notability is not defined by anything having to do with their birthplace yet is defined by activities in other places, all the while editors continue to mindlessly categorize those articles solely according to their birthplace and not according to those other places and continue to make piss-poor excuses to justify the practice. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions  03:27, 18 February 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Indian beatboxers

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 * The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:Beatboxers and Category:Indian hip hop singers. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 07:08, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Indian beatboxers to Category:Beatboxers
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one category article in the article. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 01:41, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * I assume you mean "only one article in the category"?★Trekker (talk) 03:34, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes. Corrected. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 14:41, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * It could be merged into Category:Beatboxers. If new articles turn up we can redo Category:Indian beatboxers Vincentvikram (talk) 10:19, 24 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Question, shouldn't it also be merged to Category:Indian hip hop singers? Marcocapelle (talk) 15:23, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Iceage
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 10:17, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting iceage


 * Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization per WP:OCEPON and numerous precedent at CfD. Typically, a few members of the band would need articles and perhaps a discography page exists too before the need for an eponymous parent category. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 01:39, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


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