Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 7



Category:Hairston family (baseball)

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 13:30, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Hairston family (baseball) to Category:Hairston family
 * Nominator's rationale: The Hairston family category had been deleted in 2007 and then was recreated with the unnecessary disambiguator in 2015. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:02, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - recreation of category deleted at cfd. Moreover its creator is user:Westfield2015, surely the notorious user:Pastorwayne (whose socks tend to have unimaginative names often including Westfield). Oculi (talk) 21:39, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per initial CfD. Topic in this case much better covered in List of second-generation Major League Baseball players. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:48, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Now Is the Time (Brenda Fassie album)

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 13:33, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting now is the time (brenda fassie album)


 * Nominator's rationale: Misuse of category namespace — swpb T&#8201;•&#8201;go beyond&#8201;•&#8201;bad idea 18:59, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. An obvious misunderstanding by the creator of the category. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:46, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Amadlozi Brenda Fassie Album

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 13:35, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting amadlozi brenda fassie album


 * Nominator's rationale: Incorrect use of category space — swpb T&#8201;•&#8201;go beyond&#8201;•&#8201;bad idea 18:48, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Have to assume the person who created this is just an inexperienced editor. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:46, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:LGBT Marxists

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 13:36, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lgbt marxists


 * Nominator's rationale: Possible WP:OCEGRS. — swpb T&#8201;•&#8201;go beyond&#8201;•&#8201;bad idea 18:23, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Support renaming as is overcategorization. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 23:15, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:24, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-defining. As always, we do not create categories for every possible combination of "people who happen to be both X and Y" — in order to justify this category, it would have to be possible to write an article about LGBT Marxism which contextualized it as a thing that reliable sources discuss and analyze. Bearcat (talk) 17:34, 10 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:State-owned enterprises of China

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 * The result of the discussion was: out-of-process move reverted. New discussion listed below. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:15, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:State-owned enterprises of China to Category:Government-owned companies of China
 * Nominator's rationale: Fix the undiscussed move by . The parent cat is located at Category:Government-owned companies by country. The old name was Category:Government-owned companies of China. I can't find any discussion to move to Category:State-owned enterprises of China. Matthew hk (talk) 16:24, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment Nothing to do with parent cat. We can have different names depending on the convention used by that particular country. You may read WP:BOLD because it was obvious move. There is plenty of coverage supporting State-owned enterprises (SOEs) of China. Even their official state media uses it. Who are you to object to it? Störm   (talk)  16:29, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia use secondary source. Also, bold move should place in Categories for discussion/Speedy, not move it yourself. Given my watch list is full of your edit. Matthew hk (talk) 16:31, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Also, most of those companies were in fact owned and regulated by SASAC of the State Council (central government) and SASAC of the provincial government, plus companies owned by Ministry of Finance and Ministry of Education of the State Council. Thus the original wording "Government-owned companies of foo" is correct for China's SOE. Matthew hk (talk) 16:41, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * please read WP:BOLD, especially WP:BOLD. Bold moves of categories are unwise. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:09, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: Is there other reason for reverting the move other than that it was not discussed? Citing the parent categorisation scheme doesn't carry much weight to me, seeing as the corresponding article is at List of state-owned enterprises of China, so we have conflicting CFDS criteria here. -Paul_012 (talk) 03:20, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Well the list is also an undiscussed move in January 2018 from List of government-owned companies of China. As stated above, the SOEs are literally owned by a department of the government, not a special entity representing the state as seen in other countries (e.g. Agence des participations de l'État) Matthew hk (talk) 04:48, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Government-owned companies of China

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 10:55, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Government-owned companies of China to Category:State-owned enterprises of China
 * Nominator's rationale: Procedural listing. I have reverted the undiscussed move by @Störm, to restore the status quo ante.  This discussion can consider whatever rationale Störm chooses to advance for their proposal. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:18, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose they are literally owned by government and most of them are former government ministry and department. Matthew hk (talk) 13:01, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Support for obvious reason. We should use the title which is common and is standard practice, per WP:COMMONTITLE. The suggested title is correct and common because it is used by US Govt., South China Morning Post (SCMP), a top newspaper covering China and by The Diplomat , a Japanese magazine, and many other not mentioned. It is a term used by newspapers around the word to refer to Chinese SOEs. Thanks.  Störm   (talk)  16:55, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Well, the articles also stated the influence of the State Council/central government, plus nomenklatura, the dual system of the party is the government, thus the firms are leaded by party via government. Matthew hk (talk) 17:09, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


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Churches by city (other continents, dual merge)

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. This differs from recent nominations of churches because a few categories here currently do have several articles in them. This likely either needs to be split out further to achieve a clear result or individual attention needs to be paid to each category. ~ Rob 13 Talk 02:49, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Ashtarak to Category:Ashtarak and Category:Buildings and structures in Aragatsotn Province
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Asmara to Category:Buildings and structures in Asmara and Category:Churches in Eritrea
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Bangkok to Category:Places of worship in Bangkok and Category:Christianity in Bangkok
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Gampaha to Category:Buildings and structures in Gampaha, Category:Places of worship in Gampaha and Category:Churches in Gampaha District
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Hanoi to Category:Places of worship in Hanoi and Category:Buildings and structures in Hanoi


 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Kurunegala to Category:Places of worship in Kurunegala and Category:Churches in Kurunegala District
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Lahore to Category:Places of worship in Lahore and Category:Christianity in Lahore
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Mannar, Sri Lanka to Category:Places of worship in Mannar, Sri Lanka and Category:Churches in Mannar District
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Matara, Sri Lanka to Category:Places of worship in Matara, Sri Lanka and Category:Churches in Matara District
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Taipei to Category:Places of worship in Taipei and Category:Churches in Taiwan
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Tashkent to Category:Buildings and structures in Tashkent and Category:Religion in Tashkent
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Tianjin to Category:Buildings and structures in Tianjin and Category:Religion in Tianjin
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Wellington City to Category:Places of worship in Wellington City and Category:Buildings and structures in Wellington City
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Xi'an to Category:Buildings and structures in Xi'an and Category:Churches in Shaanxi


 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, all the above categories only contain 1 article and/or 1 subcategory. See also this earlier nomination which is still open for discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose WP:SMALLCAT is for small categories with no potential for growth, but many of these categories have plenty of potential for growth. Bangkok, Taipei, Tianjin, and Xi'an, etc. are giant cities with plenty of notable churches. Just because articles do not exist now does not mean they won't be created in the future. -Zanhe (talk) 09:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * It is quite likely that there are more churches in these cities than currently have an article in Wikipedia. But more notable churches, where is the evidence of that? Note that the far majority of churches is not notable. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:49, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: This will re-categorise quite a few Roman Catholic churches in Foo categories directly under the merge targets. Is this desirable? WP:SMALLCAT does say not to delete if "such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme". Wouldn't this apply to these Churches in Foo categories, which serve as a middle layer in the categorisation scheme? --Paul_012 (talk) 03:11, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * In case of populated places this smallcat exception would lead to the result that even the smallest villages would have a hugely complicated category tree for maybe just one article. That would be highly undesirable. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, noted. Another question, Marcocapelle: Category:Churches in Bangkok now has another member, First Presbyterian Church, Samray. It needs to somehow be included in Category:Churches in Thailand. Would you suggest creating Category:Presbyterian churches in Thailand or retaining Category:Churches in Bangkok? --Paul_012 (talk) 12:30, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Personally I would not actively create a new category if it can be populated with one article only for a start. But admittedly, if created, Category:Presbyterian churches in Thailand would not be a suitable candidate for nominating at CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:55, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose WP:SMALLCAT only applies to categories that will never have more than a few members. That is not the case for the nominated categories.--Obi2canibe (talk) 17:55, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Marcocapelle is also reminded that it is good practice to notify the category's creator when nominating it for deletion.--Obi2canibe (talk) 18:00, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Support Most/Oppose Bangkok & Wellington Conceptually I support this effort since it removing an navigational impediment of having to click through an empty parent category in order to get to the actual articles in the subcategory. Bangkok and Wellington have multiple articles and don't belong in this nomination though. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:10, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Support The vast majority of church buildings are non-notable. So there is little evidence for more, and no good reason to have these categories at present.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:51, 6 February 2019 (UTC)


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Churches by city (miscellaneous countries, 1 merge target)

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all. ~ Rob 13 Talk 04:00, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Ankara to Category:Places of worship in Ankara
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Ashgabat to Category:Buildings and structures in Ashgabat
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Bethlehem to Category:Buildings and structures in Bethlehem
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Bogotá to Category:Buildings and structures in Bogotá‎
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Bridgetown to Category:Buildings and structures in Bridgetown
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Cairns to Category:Buildings and structures in Cairns

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 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Cusco to Category:Buildings and structures in Cusco
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Guayaquil to Category:Buildings and structures in Guayaquil
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Hamilton, Bermuda to Category:Buildings and structures in Hamilton, Bermuda
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Lima to Category:Buildings and structures in Lima
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Luanda to Category:Buildings and structures in Luanda
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Maracaibo to Category:Buildings and structures in Maracaibo
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Pontianak, Indonesia to Category:Buildings and structures in Pontianak, Indonesia
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in San Juan, Puerto Rico to Category:Buildings and structures in San Juan, Puerto Rico
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in St. John's, Antigua and Barbuda to Category:Buildings and structures in St. John's, Antigua and Barbuda
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Thunder Bay to Category:Buildings and structures in Thunder Bay
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Vijayawada to Category:Places of worship in Vijayawada
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Yekaterinburg to Category:Buildings and structures in Yekaterinburg
 * Propose merging Category:Churches in Yekaterinburg to Category:Buildings and structures in Yekaterinburg


 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, the categories only contain 1 article and/or 1 subcategory. In the above cases only one merge target has been specified, because the content is already sufficiently categorized in a denominational churches category of a broader region. For example, the only article of Category:Churches in Ankara is already part of Category:Roman Catholic churches in Turkey so it does not require merging to Category:Churches in Turkey. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Upmerge too small to aid navigation. Wikipedia is plagued by small unneeded categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:52, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Support but with misgivings about Bethleham. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:55, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Support Most/Neutral on Bethlehem, Lima & San Juan, PR City categories with one article or no articles and a subcategory do not aid navigation. (Unsure if having both 1 article and 1 subcat aids navigation so neutral on those 3.) RevelationDirect (talk) 03:14, 27 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Articles by WikiProject

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 20:23, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Articles by WikiProject to Category:Wikipedia articles by WikiProject
 * Nominator's rationale: Standard for administrative categories versus the actual content of the encyclopedia. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:21, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak oppose as the nomination is incorrect; there are many "Category:WikiProject Foo articles" categories (i.e. that don't have the word "Wikipedia"). Two of the current parent category tags should be removed. I might support deletion instead (as the category appears to be rather pointless). DexDor(talk) 16:05, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment No opposition to the change as the category creator, but think a more important change is to rename the child categories that don't state they are Wikiproject categories, e.g. Category:El Salvador articles. SFB 01:11, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯ xplicit 04:05, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Tropical house singers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge, while there is no majority in this discussion the closure is based on weight of argument. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 09:49, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Tropical house singers to Category:Tropical house musicians
 * Nominator's rationale: The parent isn't in need of diffusing and there is no Category:House singers or Category:Deep house singers, just Category:House musicians and Category:Deep house musicians. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 03:42, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * @Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars, for example, Category:Synthpop musicians to Category:Synthpop singers and Category:Hip hop musicians to Category:Hip hop singers. It need to start new.-- Happypillsjr    ✉    04:30, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Those are highly populated categories (both parent "musicians" and child "singers") with necessary diffusion. In this case, a sub-subgenre no less, there are not that many articles in the target and no similar scheme for parent genres. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 15:01, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * What if we could create a Category:Tropical house artists? Harmanprtjhj (talk) 01:08, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * A tropical house is a feature of many zoos. Can we have a less ambiguous name? Rathfelder (talk) 13:05, 19 January 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Live at The Fillmore albums
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering (Talk) 22:44, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Live at The Fillmore albums to Category:Albums_recorded_at_the_Fillmore
 * Nominator's rationale: See (e.g.) all subcats of Category:Live albums by venue in the United States ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:40, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. I thought maybe there was an actual series of "Live at the Fillmore" albums, in which a subset of the albums within would be appropriately categorized, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 03:22, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Support merging per nom. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 23:16, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


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