Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 July 12



Category:Tom and Jerry short films by year 1940 to 1956
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Category:Longest surviving Olympic competitors

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:33, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting longest surviving olympic competitors


 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining, poorly worded and most of the people in this category are dead, so not exactly "surviving".  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:33, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Support, people in this category are already in Category:Centenarians or a subcategory of it. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:43, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Funeral homes

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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 10:06, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Funeral homes to Category:American funeral homes
 * Nominator's rationale: All articles are about USA. Funeral homes seems to be American usage - at least I've never come across it in UK. Rathfelder (talk) 11:21, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Alt "Funeral homes in America". The homes are not nationalistic. There are probably American style funeral homes in the UK. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:20, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Certainly move somewhere - Funeral home is also treated as all-American, though actually the businesses don't seem very different from those elsewhere. The parent is Category:Death care companies which is clear, neutral & fits all these, so support Category:American death care companies Category:Death care companies of the United States (yes, thanks, Oculi). Johnbod (talk) 19:26, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Alt alt - Category:Death care companies of the United States per Johnbod + convention in Category:Service companies by country and Category:Companies by country (+ Marcocapelle below). Oculi (talk) 20:21, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support first alt but as "Funeral homes in the United States" per usual American usage and Marcocapelle's comments below. IIRC the terms in many other countries are "Funeral directors" and "Funeral parlours". The second alt would be acceptable, but it's not common terminology in any specific country as far as far as I can tell. Grutness... wha?   05:02, 13 July 2019 (UTC) (amended 04:27, 14 July 2019 (UTC))
 * Oppose "America" in Alt proposals, use "United States" instead, as we normally do. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Good point. Amending my !vote accordingly. Grutness... wha?   04:27, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Happy with that. Rathfelder (talk) 09:19, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * support change - many Australian businesses are increasingly known as funeral services/funeral directors, home is regularly getting dropped in advertising and business names... JarrahTree 13:24, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Better say which new name you favour, as it is getting rather confused above. Johnbod (talk) 16:12, 24 July 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Descendants of Confucius

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. MER-C 09:49, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting descendants of confucius


 * Nominator's rationale: delete, these are extremely distant family members who have nothing in common with each other. Besides we do not have any other categories for descendants of an individual. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes Category:Descendants of Muhammad is a redirect, & there are other such categories like Category:Descendants of the Baal Shem Tov - do a search! Johnbod (talk) 19:29, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - Descendants of Confucius have a special place in Chinese history and culture. When hereditary nobility outside the imperial family was abolished more than 1,000 years ago, the main line of officially recognized descendants of Confucius was one of the few exceptions. The lineage has been meticulously documented (see Family tree of Confucius in the main line of descent), and the eldest male of the lineage held China's only continuous nobility title, Duke Yansheng, for more than 2,000 years. The current holder of the title, now called Sacrificial Official to Confucius, is Kung Tsui-chang, living in Taiwan. And only certified descendants of Confucius and their wives are entitled to be buried alongside Confucius himself at the Cemetery of Confucius, a World Heritage Site. So this is unlike any other descendants category. -Zanhe (talk) 07:53, 21 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. Non-defining (e.g. for Kong Qingdong). It may be appropriate to mention in the article text that the person is a descendant of Confucius, but not every fact in an article needs a corresponding category. DexDor(talk) 20:42, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I've removed Kong Qingdong, which is unsourced and should never have been included in the category. For most people in the category, their claim to fame and positions of authority are closely tied to their descent from Confucius. Quite a few became authoritative Confucian scholars in large part because of their descent, e.g. Zisi, Kong Anguo, Kong Rong, Kong Yingda. Others are notable solely because of their officially recognized descent, such as Duke Yansheng, Kung Te-cheng, Kung Tsui-chang. Definitely a defining category. -Zanhe (talk) 21:02, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Keep per Zanhe, "descendant of Confucius" is a well-documented and traditionally culturally meaningful title in China, comparable to Sayyid, not a random fact. —Nizolan (talk) 10:48, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Zanhe and others. Johnbod (talk) 19:29, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Television stations in Roanoke, Virginia

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. MER-C 10:33, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Television stations in Roanoke, Virginia to Category:Television stations in the Roanoke–Lynchburg market
 * Nominator's rationale: Official Nielsen market name. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 03:47, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Oppose, why should we use Nielsen market names? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

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Category:Demons in Occultism
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Category:White Americans (US Census Bureau)
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Category:8th-century Holy Roman Emperors

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:50, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 8th-century holy roman emperors


 * Nominator's rationale: delete, very narrow category, this is for one emperor, Charlemagne, who was crowned 25 December 800, just one week before the 8th century came to an end. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:41, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Oppose The lifespan of the Empire is 800 to 1806, 8th to 19th centuries. Dimadick (talk) 05:07, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose per the Argentinian popes principle. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:58, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete or make it Cat-redirect to 9th century. If one takes 8th century as ending 31 Dec 800, the category had content for 1 week.  If one treats it as ending in 799, it had none at all.  I recall celebrating the new millennium at the end of 1999 not the end of 2000, though technically 2000 was still in 20th century, since there was no year zero.  This has no effect on the issue of the subsequent categories, which should of course be kept.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:56, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment "If one treats it as ending in 799, it had none at all" All centuries begin at year x01 and end at year x00. The Anno Domini system which we are following never had a year 0. It starts at year 1. Dimadick (talk) 06:48, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, he is in the next century anyway. To avoid category clutter on articles, people should be categorised according to the century that mainly corresponds to their period of activity; we should have a tendency to avoid categorising people by occupation (etc) in multiple centuries. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:13, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom & others. Johnbod (talk) 19:32, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: one entry does not make a useful category. — Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 19:44, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Maija Vilkkumaa

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 10:35, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting maija vilkkumaa


 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:OCEPON. Subcats already interlinked. -- wooden  superman  15:43, 21 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose - 4 subcats has generally been considered sufficient in musician categories. Oculi (talk) 21:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Nom has today created a new 'Works by' subcat, and placed Category:Maija Vilkkumaa album covers within Category:Maija Vilkkumaa albums (I used to do this but was reverted on the grounds that covers are not albums). Better to do these before the nom. Oculi (talk) 17:47, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Support, the new Works category suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:22, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

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Category:Lawsuits against God

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 09:27, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lawsuits against god


 * Nominator's rationale: None of the articles are about actual lawsuits - they are all films or plays -- wooden superman  09:12, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Fictional lawsuits against God, and place it within Category:Fictional lawsuits. Note: If deleted, there is no need to make a list, as the contents are already listed in the page Lawsuits against God. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:13, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support renaming. Also: the parallel category Category:Lawsuits against the Devil contains a mixture of real and fictional lawsuits—the real one being United States ex rel. Gerald Mayo v. Satan and His Staff. Perhaps that category could have a new subcategory Category:Fictional lawsuits against the Devil created. — Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 15:27, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support rename and replace the parent categories by Category:God in fiction and Category:Fictional lawsuits. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:15, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose for the simple reason that Lawsuits against God contains real lawsuits as well. Debresser (talk) 19:21, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * There is not a problem with Category:Lawsuits against God per se, so we can still revive the category once we have articles about real lawsuits. But currently we don't. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
 * We do: Lawsuits against God. Debresser (talk) 22:10, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I meant articles about individual lawsuits. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


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Category:People of the Year Awards winners
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Category:Cultural depictions of the Yongle Emperor
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Category:Religion in Portugal by city

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 09:35, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Religion in Portugal by city to Category:Religion in Portugal and Category:Religion in Europe by city
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge, unnecessary category layer for two cities. It is not to be expected that more Portuguese cities will follow with having their own religion category if only because Portugal has been almost exclusively Christian for the last 500 years (i.e. a Christianity category would suffice). Marcocapelle (talk) 08:44, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:24, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Alabama Shakes

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:34, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting alabama shakes


 * Nominator's rationale: Too little content--both subcats link to one another, as well as the main article. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:32, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 21 July 2019 (UTC)


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Category:British Hong Kong people

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 09:34, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:British Hong Kong people to Category:People of British Hong Kong
 * Nominator's rationale: The current category name is ambiguous and can easily be confused with Category:British expatriates in Hong Kong and Category:Hong Kong people of British descent. The target is unambiguous and mirrors Category:People of British Singapore. —Nizolan (talk) 03:08, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Support. Much clearer. Rathfelder (talk) 11:23, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Question, shouldn't we also rename subCategory:British Hong Kong judges? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:51, 20 July 2019 (UTC)


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Antidepressants by ring number
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