Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 July 18



Category:Trade associations based in the Philippines

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Industry trade groups based in the Philippines‎ to Category:Trade associations based in the Philippines. MER-C 08:59, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Trade associations based in the Philippines to Category:Industry trade groups based in the Philippines‎
 * Nominator's rationale: This is the only country with categories for both trade associations and industry trade groups. Industry trade groups is more common. Rathfelder (talk) 22:07, 18 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge or reverse merge, the terms trade association and industry trade group are clearly synonymous. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * It would be good to standardise on one or the other. I dont know if there are local usage issues, but there isnt anything obvious.  A Trade group sounds a bit less well organised and less permanent than a trade association. Rathfelder (talk) 15:19, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. That will require a batch nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:31, 21 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Preferably reverse merge; certainly merge somehow. The Phillipines currently has three articles between the two categories.  The parent Industry trade groups by country contains national subcats with both names, so that a wider name change should not automatically follow.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:03, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge - Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_April_29 chose Category:Trade associations and the subcats should have been dealt with long ago. Oculi (talk) 17:33, 26 July 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Furniture manufacturers
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 August 2%23Category:Furniture manufacturers

Category:Prince primates

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 * The result of the discussion was: empty and disambiguate. All current members of the category are in one of the two targets already. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:07, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Prince primates to Category:Archbishops of Esztergom
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:NONDEF. In contrast to prince-bishops who were the actual rulers of their own territory, prince-primate was merely a secondary title of the archbishops of Esztergom. They did not rule their own territory. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:05, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose The title was held by the secular leaders of the Confederation of the Rhine. Including Eugène de Beauharnais, who was never a Catholic bishop. Dimadick (talk) 13:49, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * While the leaders of the Confederation of the Rhine now have their own subcategory, the issue with the Hungarian prince-primates has remained unchanged. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:58, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Comment -- With the possible exception of the Rhenish rulers, there should be no articles in this category, merely an Esztergom subcat. Alternatively, this should be a cat-redirect to Esztergom with an otheruses template for the Rhenish rulers.  No decided view.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:59, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * A cat-redirect is a good idea. Or even better, a cat-dab page, to Category:Archbishops of Esztergom and to Category:Prince-primate of the Confederation of the Rhine. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


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Category:The Wack Pack

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 08:57, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting the wack pack


 * Nominator's rationale: Little more than a WP:PERFCAT -- wooden superman  13:04, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * Weak oppose, most of these people seem to be uniquely tied to one particular show. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:00, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom. These people are (strongly) associated with Wack Pack and as such are linked in both directions in a way that is much better (e.g. with an explanation and references) than category links. Categorization is for grouping similar articles (e.g. in Category:American female bodybuilders), but is not necessary to link together associated articles. DexDor(talk) 18:29, 19 July 2019 (UTC)


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Yearly college football standings templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 09:31, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1906 Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States football standings templates to Category:1906 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1907 Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States football standings templates to Category:1907 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1908 Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States football standings templates to Category:1908 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1909 Intercollegiate Athletic Association of the United States football standings templates to Category:1909 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1910 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1910 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1911 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1911 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1912 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1912 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1913 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1913 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1914 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1914 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1915 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1915 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1916 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1916 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1917 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1917 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1918 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1918 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1919 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1919 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1920 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1920 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1911 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1911 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1912 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1912 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1913 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1913 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1914 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1914 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1915 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1915 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1916 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1916 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1917 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1917 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1918 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1918 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1919 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1919 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1920 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1920 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1921 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1921 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1922 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1922 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1923 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1923 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1924 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1924 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1925 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1925 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1926 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1926 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1927 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1927 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1928 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1928 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1929 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1929 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1930 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1930 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1931 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1931 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1932 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1932 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1933 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1933 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1934 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1934 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1935 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1935 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1936 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1936 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1937 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1937 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1938 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1938 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1939 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1939 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1940 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1940 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1941 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1941 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1942 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1942 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1943 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1943 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1944 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1944 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1945 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1945 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1946 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1946 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1947 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1947 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1948 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1948 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1949 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1949 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1950 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1950 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1951 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1951 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1952 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1952 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1953 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1953 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1954 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1954 college football standings templates
 * Propose renaming Category:1955 NCAA football standings templates to Category:1955 college football standings templates
 * Nominator's rationale: Bring categories in line with yearly parents categories, which don't specify "NCAA", per discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football/Archive 22 and elsewhere. Jweiss11 (talk) 18:36, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

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 * Support. Many major football programs listed in these templates were not NCAA members in the early days. "College football" is more accurate. Ostealthy (talk) 17:40, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support–UCO2009bluejay (talk) 20:18, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per Ostealthy. Cbl62 (talk) 21:48, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per all above. PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 23:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per above Corky  13:31, 23 July 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Mayors of Lodi

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 12:58, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Mayors of Lodi to Category:Mayors of Lodi, Lombardy
 * Nominator's rationale: Disambiguating; clarifying from mayors of Lodi, California or Lodi, New Jersey –  Broccoli  &#38; Coffee (Oh hai) 16:22, 18 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Support also per WP:C2D, see Lodi, Lombardy. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:25, 19 July 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Freedmen

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 * The result of the discussion was: do not merge. There is definitely scope for clarification of these categories per the comments below, but this nomination is not it, and a new proposal should be bought accordingly. MER-C 10:19, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Freedmen to Category:Former slaves
 * Nominator's rationale: unclear distinction fgnievinski (talk) 12:28, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose, but would Support merging Category:Former slaves to Category:Freedmen. Per the article Freedmen and the categories Category:American freedmen and Category:Arabian freedmen as well as the large section regarding freedmen on Commons, it seems that freedman is the accepted term for referring to former slaves.  A user created Category:Former slaves in 2018.  I'm unsure if they were unaware that the category existed already or if they had another reason for creating the category. Ryan Vesey 01:54, 19 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge either way and leave a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose Freedmen is the historical terms for slaves who were subjects of manumission. Merge "former slaves" to that one. Dimadick (talk) 10:43, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * For what it is worth, the article Freedman suggests that freedmen are merely a subset of former slaves:
 * In the United States, the terms "freedmen" and "freedwomen" refer chiefly to former slaves emancipated during and after the American Civil War by the Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th Amendment. Slaves freed before the war (usually by individual manumissions, often in wills) were generally referred to as "Free Negroes" or free blacks. In addition, there was a population of black Americans born free.
 * Marcocapelle (talk) 08:41, 21 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment -- The term is also used in relation to Ancient Rome, where governmental officers of the Emperor Claudius (for example were Freedmen. There will also be equivalent categories to free negroes in the British West Indies.  Whatever the outcome (and I have no view what it should be), it needs to take account of all these.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:51, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose. A "former" slave may also have escaped, not necessarily have been legally freed, which is technically what a freedman is. Although most people in Category:Former slaves probably need to be moved to Category:Freedmen. Category:Freed slaves would be a better name for the latter in any case. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:53, 29 July 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Grawemeyer Award winners

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:57, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting grawemeyer award winners


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCAWARD and WP:NONDEF, the award is not comparable to e.g. the Nobel prize, for most recipients it is just one of many prizes they got. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 18 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete -- yet another NN OCAWARD case. No need to listify as the main article has one.  Four to five such awards are given by Uninversity of Louisiana annually.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:54, 25 July 2019 (UTC)


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