Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 18



Category:Six Russian strategic weapons unveiled on 2018

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:Post–Cold War weapons of Russia (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Six Russian strategic weapons unveiled on 2018 to Category:Russian strategic weapons unveiled on 2018
 * Nominator's rationale: The Six in the title is unnecessary and not found elsewhere, and would need to be changed anyway if the category changed size. Danski454 (talk) 20:45, 18 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to parent Category:Post–Cold War weapons of Russia. Unduly specific, even without the 'six'. Oculi (talk) 21:33, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Upmerge - the date of unveiling is not WP:DEFINING, it's just WP:OVERCATEGORIZATION. There's an argument that the date of entry into service is important enough to be worth a category, but "post-Cold war" is sufficient - the date of unveiling is less signficant than the service date. Le Deluge (talk) 23:45, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to parent Category:Post–Cold War weapons of Russia, per Oculi. That set is not big enough to be broken up by year. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:01, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Why does the category say "on 2018"? That's not correct usage anyway, shouldn't it be "during 2018" or "in 2018"?... Concur with above rationales. Shearonink (talk) 20:17, 19 March 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Vikrant-class aircraft carriers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:10, 26 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting vikrant-class aircraft carriers


 * Nominator's rationale: INS Vikrant is a unique ship and is not part of a class. The class page has now been merged to the ship page. There is no point in keeping a category for a single page. —Gazoth (talk) 13:46, 18 March 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Mythological Greek characters

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:23, 26 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Mythological Greek characters to Category:Characters in Greek mythology
 * Nominator's rationale: Two categories that describe the same thing. Dotoilage (talk) 13:10, 18 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Support They seem to have the same scope. Dimadick (talk) 10:37, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Just be careful. I agree that there's no real need to retain separate categories, since Greeks won't generally show up in non-Greek mythologies.  However, Roman mythology may be an exception; if Troy be considered Greek, the Aeneid may well have mythological Greek characters who don't show up in Greek mythology.  Entellus, for example, was a Greek figure who (judging by his article) only appears in Roman mythology; if he were in this category, it wouldn't be good to merge him to "Characters in Greek mythology".  When this is closed as "merge", it would be wise for someone to run a search of the contents and mark articles for review if they have the string   or   anywhere, and then to merge those articles only if it can be manually confirmed that they aren't unique to Roman mythology.  Nyttend (talk) 20:41, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment"since Greeks won't generally show up in non-Greek mythologies." Wrong. The Anglo-Saxon royal genealogies feature several figures from Greek mythology, as supposed ancestors of Thor. Dimadick (talk) 18:20, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Support but with the word of caution just given. The Aeneid is essentially a work of fiction to provide Rome with a foundation myth epic.  Greek myth is properly described as myth.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:05, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Support Dimadick, I should have been clearer; I meant that non-Greeks won't often be original to non-Greek myths. Borrowing figures from elsewhere is quite different from creating them, and as long as you come from Greek mythology, you can be a character in Greek mythology whether or not you're also a character in another mythology too.  (For example, Wade of the Helsingas makes a quick appearance in Tolkien in a passing reference to Eärendil, but that doesn't mean he's not a character from Germanic mythology.)  My concern regarding Virgil is of no basis in this particular case; someone ran a search of the contents for those strings, I've manually reviewed them, and all of them were borrowed by Virgil from Greek sources.  Nyttend (talk) 20:52, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Painting and the environment

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Environmental impact of paint. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:05, 26 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Painting and the environment to Category:Paint and the environment
 * Nominator's rationale: The cat creator (a banned editor) clearly just chose the wrong word: all of the articles are about paint, NOT "painting". Anomalous+0 (talk) 09:33, 18 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Good spot, but let's rename to Category:Environmental impact of paint, more consistent within Category:Environmental impact by source. That could be done speedily under WP:C2D per the lead article Environmental impact of paint. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:15, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Support alt rename to Category:Environmental impact of paint per Fayenatic london. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:48, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Rename per last two contributions to match the main article. Painting tends to refer to artwork.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:07, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Cerebus the Aardvark

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cerebus the aardvark


 * Nominator's rationale: Too little content. Some individual articles may need to be upmerged but for the most part, they are all categorized correctly already. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:30, 18 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment -- my view is "one franchise: one category". We have a subcat for a series of novels.  Spinoffs from that could go into the novels category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:10, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Best-selling singles worldwide (by year)

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:35, 25 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting best-selling singles worldwide (by year)


 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCATEGORIZATION - WP:TOPTEN Le Deluge (talk) 02:02, 18 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete A case where a list is better than a category, which exists at List of best-selling singles. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 15:05, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - This task should be done by a list article. If there are multiple lists, we might allow a category covering them all.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:12, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Child sexual abuse in religious groups

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 * The result of the discussion was: option B. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:21, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Option A:
 * Propose renaming Category:Child sexual abuse in religious groups to Category:Religion and child sexual abuse
 * Category:Christian sex abuse cases to Category:Christianity and child sexual abuse
 * Category:Judaism sex abuse cases‎ to Category:Judaism and child sexual abuse
 * Category:Mormon sex abuse cases‎ to Category:Mormonism and child sexual abuse
 * Option B:
 * Propose renaming Category:Child sexual abuse in religious groups to Category:Child sexual abuse scandals in religions
 * Category:Christian sex abuse cases to Category:Child sexual abuse scandals in Christianity
 * Category:Judaism sex abuse cases‎ to Category:Child sexual abuse scandals in Judaism
 * Category:Mormon sex abuse cases‎ to Category:Child sexual abuse scandals in Mormonism
 * Nominator's rationale: I propose recasting these categories either as broader "X and Y" topic-intersection categories (Option A) or as narrower "sexual abuse scandals" set categories (Option B), with a preference for "scandals" over "cases" to align with Category:Religious scandals and also because "cases" suggests the articles are always about legal cases, which they are not. As for the subcategories, I propose they follow the parent category's naming convention, moving away from the ambiguous Fooian ..., where it is not clear what the word is modifying—e.g. abuse cases related to Christian sex, cases related to sex abuse by Christians, cases related to sex abuse of Christians, etc. (Pinging 2 categories' creator, User:Monochrome Monitor; the other creators are either blocked or inactive) -- Black Falcon (talk) 01:46, 18 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Note: I am purposely omitting Category:Catholic sex abuse cases to avoid discussion of "Catholic" vs. "Roman Catholic" vs. "Catholic Church" vs. "Roman Catholic Church". There can be a separate discussion for that category once this one is settled. -- Black Falcon (talk) 01:46, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Question Why are you proposing narrowing the scope from sexual abuse to child sexual abuse? It would help if you'd provide a little more detail on that issue.  Nyttend (talk) 17:20, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Marcocapelle identifies the reason below. The articles appear to be about instances of child sexual abuse, and all of the categories are subcategories of Category:Child sexual abuse. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:10, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, if the categories are all on this narrower topic, that's fine then. Nyttend (talk) 20:34, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Support either A or B. The articles in these categories are in fact about child sexual abuse and in addition the parent category is already called "Child sexual abuse in religious groups". Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Support for option B as this option is more specific to the actual subject matter. Option A seems a tad to general of a title choice for me although that's just my opinion. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 00:46, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Prefer B - "A" might imply that the religion condones sexual abuse, whereas all of these ones condemn it, at least in theory. As we have recently learnt, practice where sinful humans are involved falls below the ideal.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:59, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Nova Scotia Sport Hall of Fame inductees

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 07:06, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Nova Scotia Sport Hall of Fame inductees
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING) and WP:OVERLAPCAT
 * Today the category only has one article, Bill O'Donnell, but it certainly could be populated to avoid WP:SMALLCAT. Rather, the problem is that Nova Scotia Sport Hall of Fame is a relatively obscure award for people who have achieved fame more broadly. Generally these articles are already more precisely categorized within the Category:Sportspeople from Nova Scotia tree. I listified the one article plus a bunch of others I found here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:42, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Background In the past, we've deleted similar US state-level sports halls of fame categories here and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:42, 18 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. These people are notable for their achievements, not for being given a "hall of fame" award. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:18, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, yada yada.... I'm running out of new things to say about these categories. Anomalous+0 (talk) 10:52, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment/Proposal: Rather than cleaning up these messes after the fact, I think we should give serious consideration to requiring pre-approval for all new awards categories. If I'm not mistaken, that's how it works with stub categories, so it wouldn't be unprecedented. Anomalous+0 (talk) 11:05, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The award categories is one of the few subject trees where I see more categories that hinder navigation than ones that benefit it. Not sure what the appetitite is for such a restriction or how it would technically work. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:22, 19 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Not a notable achievement....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:55, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * DElete -- a typical OCAWARD case. I think we have occasionally kept "Hall of Fame" categories, where the hall is an actual museum.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:01, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


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