Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 20



Category:Vice-Chancellors by university

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Vice-Chancellors by university to Category:University and college chancellors by country
 * Nominator's rationale: Contents are all in country sub categories Rathfelder (talk) 22:36, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Oppose: I looked, at that is true for neither the US or Denmark, so it certainly is not true for all categories. Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 00:25, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose  - quite different. In the UK (and Commonwealth) the Vice-Chancellor is the CEO whereas the Chancellor is a largely ceremonial role. Oculi (talk) 11:53, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That is exactly the problem. The same words are used to mean different things, not just in different countries, but also sometimes in the same country, or even within the same institution at different times.  See below.  I think we need one category for chief executive type positions and another for ceremonial positions, and then subdivide that into countries and institutions.  This proposed merger is just a step in that direction.  Rathfelder (talk) 19:24, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I withdraw this proposal. I think there is a better way. Rathfelder (talk) 21:36, 21 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Rectors of universities and colleges in Mexico

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Rectors of universities and colleges in Mexico to Category:Mexican university and college presidents
 * Nominator's rationale: No obvious distinction between the two categories Rathfelder (talk) 22:19, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I withdraw this nominationRathfelder (talk) 22:50, 21 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:University and college presidents

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:University and college presidents to Category:University and college chancellors
 * Nominator's rationale: Heads of universities are given a variety of titles - President, Chancellor, Vice-Chancellor, Rector, Chief Executive. We need a category which will embrace them all, as at present we have an incoherent mess.  Maybe Leaders of universities and colleges? And maybe a way of distinguishing these categories from people who are given similar titles on an honorary basis? Rathfelder (talk) 21:19, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I withdraw this proposal. Rathfelder (talk) 21:35, 21 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Jabbar family

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting jabbar family


 * Nominator's rationale: Very narrow spin off, we cannot have category for father/mother/son/daughter pairs. It should be broad, at least more than three articles for such categories. Comes under WP:OVERCAT. Störm   (talk)  20:55, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:00, 25 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:City Slickers

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:20, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting city slickers


 * Nominator's rationale: Small category with no potential for growth. The two articles already link to each other in their respective leads. Pichpich (talk) 01:45, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Needs more input
 * Delete Per WP:SMALLCAT.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:29, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:54, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:25, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Motorcycle Hall of Fame inductees

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 08:32, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Motorcycle Hall of Fame inductees
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD (WP:NONDEFINING)
 * The Motorcycle Hall of Fame inducts people who are already very prominent in motorcycling and are well organized in categories like Category:Motorcycle racers, Category:Motorcycle racing team owners, and Category:Motorcycling media people. The vast majority of articles mentioen the award in passing, although some do mention it in the lede or not at all. The award seems to reflect rather than contribute to fame and doesn't seem defining. The American Motorcyclist Association maintains the museum for the hall of fame in Ohio. The contents of the category are already listified here in a separate list article. -  RevelationDirect (talk) 01:21, 30 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 06:22, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:24, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Already something like 180 articles about people so inducted in this category.  Clear example of where an exception to OCAWARD is appropriate.   Montanabw (talk) 17:28, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:SMALLCAT is not being claimed here. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:50, 30 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose It does not matter what any articles say about the hall of fame per the notability guidelines WP:NNC "The criteria applied to the creation or retention of an article are not the same as those applied to the content inside it. The notability guidelines do not apply to contents of articles or lists (with the exception of some lists, which restrict inclusion to notable items or people)." WP:ARTN "Notability is a property of a subject and not of a Wikipedia article. If the subject has not been covered outside of Wikipedia, no amount of improvements to the Wikipedia content will suddenly make the subject notable. Conversely, if the source material exists, even very poor writing and referencing within a Wikipedia article will not decrease the subject's notability." Regarding the statement that if a list exists, the category needs deleted, policy deems that the two are complementary. See WP:CLNT "Accordingly, these methods should not be considered in conflict with each other. Rather, they are synergistic, each one complementing the others." dawnleelynn(talk) 04:00, 2 May 2019 (UTC) I understand now that RevelationDirect is not advocating that when there is a list article, the category should be deleted. dawnleelynn(talk) 22:32, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Not sure I understand this comment. This discussion is not about notability of articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:51, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Then why does the proposer makes some statements that address the notability of the category in question. The statements of the proposer remarking "the vast majority of articles mention the award in passing, although some do mention it in the lede or not at all." Let me actually add a guideline I missed adding: WP:NEXIST "The absence of sources or citations in an article (as distinct from the non-existence of sources) does not indicate that a subject is not notable." And the statement that "The award seems to reflect rather than contribute to fame and doesn't seem defining." Really? Because the inductee's articles do not properly mention the hall of fame award in their articles, the second statement has been made. But no, because as stated in the nobility guidelines, notability is the property of the subject not the article. So, the hall fame is notable, the inductees are notable. This is trying to go after their notability to support the rationale. There is no real evidence to state that the hall of fame "reflects" rather than contributes to fame as it is based on the attempt to tear down the inductee's articles. What is in the articles regarding their mention or no mention of the hall of fame has nothing to do with their definingness. Notability does not exist in a vacuum for establishing new articles only. See WP:NOTESAL "Notability guidelines also apply to the creation of stand-alone lists and tables. Notability of lists (whether titled as "List of Xs" or "Xs") is based on the group." Lastly, see WP:WHYN "Because these requirements are based on major content policies, they apply to all articles, not solely articles justified under the general notability criteria." As you can see, nobility is not restricted to new articles. So, any disparagement of an existing hall of fame article is indeed covered by the notability guidelines. dawnleelynn(talk) 16:51, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I think this is a misunderstanding. The discussion is about the definingness of the characteristic (see WP:DEFINING) which is something else. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I know what the rationale is. I am just saying that some of the points the proposer makes for her case disparage the notability of the hall of fame and its inductees. The fact that the hall of fame has an article establishes its notability so how can one say that it reflects rather than contributes to fame? No, its notability is protected by the notability guidelines. Thus, it contributes to fame. Also, it does not matter how the articles mention or don't mention the hall of fame; the notability guidelines also say that the hall of fame is protected from this type of evaluation. As notability is a core policy, it is more heavily weighted than the ones in the rationale. Yes, it's a category we are talking about. That does not mean we can't talk about the articles; the proposer has already discussed the articles. Also, the category has inductees, which also are notable and part of this discussion. Comments have been made about their articles and notability applies to their articles; thus, whether their articles have "proper" mentioning of the hall of fame is also protected from evaluation. Regarding the HOF article and definingness: Is it Wikipedia's job to evaluate the hall of fame in whether it contributes to fame or not after it has an article and notability is established? I thought that comes before notability is established. Does definingness comes from how the inductees' articles incorporate the hall of fame induction? Because these two items are the entire case to support this proposal. dawnleelynn(talk) 18:57, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I did not mean to imply that the existence of a list article was ever a reason to delete a category only that, if this category was deleted, the contents of this category would still be available to readers interested in the hall of fame. My wording could have been clearer. The WP:CLN guideline cuts both ways: categories should not seen as non-defining because a list exists but the existence of a list provides no protection from deleting a non-defining category. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:10, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

(talk) 22:28, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Note that this still applies: Another thought regarding these statements: "The vast majority of articles mentioen the award in passing, although some do mention it in the lede or not at all. The award seems to reflect rather than contribute to fame and doesn't seem defining." If these statements were true then they also apply to the list article as well. It's not intended, but it also makes a case for deletion of the list article, since the "award seems to reflect rather than contribute to fame". To get more support for lists, you'll have to go to the notability guidelines. And its not an award, btw. The words "hall of fame" and an example are not mentioned in WP:OCAWARD. <i style="color:#800000;">dawnleelynn</i>
 * Ok, the part about the statements applying to the list as well is a misunderstanding of policy on my part so that goes away. Now your statement about the award reflecting rather than contributing to fame is something I now understand what you mean by that from a discussion on my talk page. And I think that is something that needs to be applied on a case by case basis to CfD discussions because it not true for all halls of fame. Not every hall of fame induction from every hall of fame that makes induction is just honoring the inductee for the awards they received in the past. And I can prove that is true. In rodeo, there are many inductions that are made to honor an individual or an animal for things they did not receive an award for. Ty Murray was inducted for more than just winning all-around titles.


 * Comment Just a note, I was speaking about the subject who is notable, not an article per policy above. I am again waiting for policy on how such statements or judgments on a reliable source can be made: "The award seems to reflect rather than contribute to fame and doesn't seem defining." This has been answered. And there is WP:CLNT which states that: "Accordingly, these methods should not be considered in conflict with each other. Rather, they are synergistic, each one complementing the others." <i style="color:#800000;">dawnleelynn</i>(talk) 18:06, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Good grief, I am not nominating any Hall of Fame articles or any biography articles for deletion in AfD for being non-notable. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:39, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I think I have struck out everything that needs it now. It looks like it could be appropriate to mention this one in the lead, making defining per WP:DEFINING. <i style="color:#800000;">dawnleelynn</i>(talk) 22:32, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * For clarification, your "Oppose" vote is not struck out; do you still favor keeping the category? (Either way, I'm happy we came to better understand each other!). RevelationDirect (talk) 23:47, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I was trying to take a look at the external hall of fame but it was having issues. I was still undecided about its appropriateness as a mention in the lead or not. I'll try to figure that out as soon as I can, thanks! <i style="color:#800000;">dawnleelynn</i>(talk) 00:00, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, in looking over the hall of fame website, the entity has taken great care in writing extensive induction pages for each inductee. These inductions are based on total lifetime achievements yes, but also on much more as in lifetime contributions to the sport and records broken and accomplishments that are not awarded. Therefore, the hall of fame does more than echo the fame of the awards of the inductee. Also, I find that this is the top hall of fame in this field, thus more significant and also appropriate to be mentioned in the lead, per WP:DEFINING. The hall is also covered by WP:MOTORSPORT, a subject-specific notability guideline which makes the hall notable enough to make its inductees worthy of articles. So my oppose earlier stands. 16:57, 14 May 2019 (UTC)<i style="color:#800000;">dawnleelynn</i>(talk)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:54, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:26, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-defining - some of the articles (e.g. Ed Kretz) don't even mention this in the article text. DexDor(talk) 11:56, 22 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:People associated with Carl Michael Bellman
<div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 03:55, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people associated with carl michael bellman


 * Nominator's rationale: Textboook WP:OCASSOC -- wooden superman  13:24, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:SuperPower
<div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting superpower


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, too few games to merit a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:36, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Stuntman (series)
<div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting stuntman (series)


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, too few games to merit a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:36, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Summoner (series)
<div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting summoner (series)


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, too few games to merit a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:36, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Safecracker (series)
<div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting safecracker (series)


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, too few games to merit a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:35, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Slapshdown (series)
<div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting slapshdown (series)


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, too few games to merit a category. Title is also a typo. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:35, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:The Book of Unwritten Tales
<div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting the book of unwritten tales


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, too few games to merit a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:34, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Nintendogs
<div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting nintendogs


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, too few games to merit a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:33, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Ashita no Joe
<div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ashita no joe


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, too few articles to merit a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:31, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Vietcong
<div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting vietcong


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, too few games for a category. Also, title falls under WP:SURPRISE. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:27, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Moreover, if kept, rename to Category:Vietcong (video game) per article name Vietcong (video game). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Tap Tap
<div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:43, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting tap tap


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, too small for a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 05:04, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Prototype (series)
<div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 16:43, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting prototype (series)


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT - too small to require a category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 04:57, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Transition metal oxyanions
<div class="boilerplate cfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#bff9fc; margin:0 auto; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #AAAAAA;">
 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: restore and repopulate without prejudice to speedy renomination so that it may be discussed fully (and potentially deleted) (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 00:47, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose reviving transition metal oxyanions


 * Nominator's rationale: The category used to have nineteen members, but they were removed by JWBE, the category was tagged as being empty soon after, and it was eventually deleted under Criteria_for_speedy_deletion. In this way, JWBE effectively bypassed WP:Categories for discussion and consensus to delete a category that he disagreed with because it didn't adhere to German Wikipedia categorization standards. This motivation can be shown from comments he made on the relevant section of his talk page, like "The categorisation in chemistry in en:wp is in general very split up, looks more like an chaotic net und has a poor systematisation. We found in de:wp a more systematic way" and "All subcategories as oxyanions, Transition metal oxoacids, Transition metal compounds, (Transition metal dichalcogenides, Dichalcogenides in other branches), etc. could be deleted.". JWBE's tendency to enforce German Wikipedia conventions, especially regarding categorization, is also found in other conversation's in JWBE's talk page, including Sorry, there will be no change and there is nothing to reconsider, … Please watch the German version: de:Kategorie:Phenol and de:Kategorie:Phenolether and the substances therein. and In de:wp we came to the conclusion to use tho oxdiation state in general, except alkali oxides, erdalkali oxides, 3d-oxides and i.e. Aluminiumoxide instead of Aluminium(III) oxide. Best practice would be, that you would completely follow to the de.wp-solution. (about how JWBE had moved Ruthenium tetroxide to Ruthenium(VIII) oxide with the edit summary Standard). Given that it seems that the category had members but was emptied by a user from the German Wikipedia as part of an imposition of German Wikipedia conventions upon the English Wikipedia, I think that we should bring the category back. Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 00:41, 20 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Restore and repopulate. Cfd is the route for renaming or upmerging categories. Oculi (talk) 09:23, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * pinging the involved editor. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:30, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I had already placed a note on his talk page. Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 22:15, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * As discussed year after year on various pages, English Wikipedia allows a more flexible approach to categorisation than German Wikipedia. Restore and repopulate, unless JWBE or other objectors produce a rationale that gains consensus here. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:32, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Procedural restore and repopulate, unless... (see Fayenatic london's comment). Marcocapelle (talk) 04:03, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.