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Category:UCUM units

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:07, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ucum units


 * Propose deleting ucum derived units


 * Propose deleting ucum base quantities


 * Nominator's rationale: These categories are inherently nondefining, since UCUM is "a code system intended to include all units of measures being contemporarily used in international science, engineering, and business." None of the listed units are "defined" as UCUM units. The set of "UCUM Units" is the set of all units in current use. The set of "UCUM derived units" is the set of all units in current use, except for the seven UCUM base units. WP:NONDEFINING, WP:OVERLAPCAT
 * Category:UCUM derived units should be deleted without merging. The contents of Category:UCUM units could be merged into Category:Unified Code for Units of Measure.
 * Category:UCUM base quantities should also be deleted. It's nondefining, and also pointless because UCUM is a system for coding units, not physical quantities.
 * Srleffler (talk) 04:07, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete; we shouldn't have a category for all units of measure, except as a meta-level grand- or great-grand-parent category, and such a category should be something like "Units of measurement". I'm sure we already have such a category, too.  Nyttend (talk) 23:50, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, Category:Units of measurement already exists.--Srleffler (talk) 14:24, 24 May 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Prison governors by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep/withdrawn (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 12:13, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Prison governors by country to Category:Prison governors by nationality
 * Nominator's rationale: more accurate description of the content. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:27, 22 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Arent we really concerned with the location of the prison, rather than the nationality of the governor? Rathfelder (talk) 14:35, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The alternative would require renaming the subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:53, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose the proposed nomination. We should be categorizing based on the location of the prison, not the nationality of the administrator. The category should also not use the term "governor", but rather the more generic "administrator", like the parent category. So, I'm proposing Category:Prison administrators by country. Subcategories like Category:American prison wardens would not need to be renamed, as it's ambiguous whether "American" modifies "wardens" or "prison".--Srleffler (talk) 23:31, 24 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I wonder how many Prison governors are not citizens of the country where the prison is? Maybe not many. But I've been working on universities where that situation is very common. Is consistency across different areas in this respect something we need to think about?Rathfelder (talk) 22:34, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Academia is different: it requires advanced education and writing skills that are far beyond what most people can do, and international cooperation is outright encouraged, so it's common for academics to live and work in foreign countries. Conversely, I suspect that anyone with ordinary sense could become a prison governor with proper training and experience, and there's nothing international about running a single prison.  Plus, criminal-justice occupations tend to be restricted to citizens (an extreme US example is NOFORN).  I strongly doubt that any country of reasonable size has a significant proportion of prison administrators or guards who are foreigners.  Nyttend (talk) 05:16, 24 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep -- The issue is where the prison was not what their nationality was. It may be that (say) a Swedish immigrant to America became a prison governor without being naturalised first, but does that matter.  His role was in America.  It would certainly be different with academics.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:03, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Very few biographical articles say anything explicit about the nationality of the subject. I think it is much more practical to characterise people associated with institutions by the location of the institution.Rathfelder (talk) 09:54, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Withdraw, apparently it is (at most) the subcategories that should be renamed from nationality to country. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:14, 26 May 2019 (UTC)


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British Holocaust deniers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all. MER-C 09:09, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:English Holocaust deniers to Category:British Holocaust deniers and Category:English conspiracy theorists
 * Propose merging Category:Scottish Holocaust deniers to Category:British Holocaust deniers and Category:Scottish activists
 * Propose merging Category:Holocaust deniers from Northern Ireland to Category:British Holocaust deniers and Category:Activists from Northern Ireland
 * Nominator's rationale: too few articles in the Scottish and in the Northern Ireland category to keep them separate. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:15, 22 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom.--Srleffler (talk) 14:22, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Support merging the Scottish and Northern Ireland subcats - but Category:English Holocaust deniers, which does have a substantial number of articles, is probably worth keeping. Anomalous+0 (talk) 10:17, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge all. Category:English Holocaust deniers has 15 entries as of now. The proposed Category:British Holocaust deniers will have 17. No reason not to merge them all. Scolaire (talk) 16:09, 29 May 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Aviation accidents and incidents in the United States in 2019

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) . Marcocapelle (talk) 09:58, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting aviation accidents and incidents in the united states in 2019


 * Nominator's rationale: Multiple subject categories dont really help, we already have Category:Aviation accidents and incidents in 2019 and Category:Aviation accidents and incidents in the United States so this just dilutes and confuses the category trees. Also creates a prescedent for the creation of 100s of year/country category intersections. MilborneOne (talk) 16:33, 22 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose While I agree with the general rationale that there are too many aviation accident categories, a category titled "Aviation accidents and incidents in the United States in ____" already exists for every year after 1930 and a few scattershot years before then. I created the category simply for the sake of consistency. If this category is deleted, then perhaps all such categories should be deleted, following a discussion on the Aviation Accident Task Force page. Carguychris (talk) 17:01, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose  - see Category:21st-century aviation accidents and incidents in the United States, which is subcatted by year. Oculi (talk) 18:12, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep; when there's a well-defined tree, nominating an isolated item is normally a bad idea. Unless you're doing a test nomination ("if this nomination succeeds, I'll nominate everything else"), or unless the isolated item isn't working as it should (e.g. you have a batch of templates, and one of them has an unfixable error), don't nominate it by itself.  You should nominate the whole tree for deletion, or you should propose a standard (e.g. "no categories with fewer than X articles") and nominate all articles that the standard excludes.  Nyttend (talk) 23:54, 22 May 2019 (UTC)


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