Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 15



Category:St Mungo Prize recipients

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:30, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting st mungo prize recipients


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCAWARD. The St Mungo Prize is a prize awarded triennially to the person who has done most to improve and promote the city of Glasgow. The winners have been listified in the main article. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:45, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. Interesting but non-defining award as far as I can tell. Fiamh (talk, contribs) 20:43, 16 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:National parks in Conwy County Borough
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Category:Iraqi Kurdistan stubs

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 09:33, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Iraqi Kurdistan stubs to Category:Kurdistan stubs
 * Propose merging Category:Iraqi Kurdistan geography stubs to Category:Kurdistan geography stubs
 * Propose merging Category:Democratic Federation of Northern Syria stubs to Category:Kurdistan stubs added 16 November
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge (by editing the template), unnecessary small stub categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:41, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Support - No reason to have small stub categories. --Semsurî (talk) 21:06, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support - very small, and even the Kurdish parent stub cats are pretty small. Unnecessary split. Grutness... wha?   23:01, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I have added a third stub category to the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:18, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support as well. --Semsurî (talk) 22:01, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Ditto. Grutness... wha?   02:23, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Video game downloadable content packs

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 09:33, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Video game downloadable content packs to Category:Video game downloadable content
 * Nominator's rationale: "Packs" is unnecessary in the title, per the main article name, downloadable content. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:41, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support Honest no idea why "packs" was included when I created it over 2 years ago. Might have been creating it from a redlink I found. -- ferret (talk) 18:44, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.--Alexandra IDVtalk 17:35, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Comedy game shows
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Category:Speakers of the Iraqi Kurdistan Parliament
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Category:Venetian archaeological sites in Greece
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Category:Powermasters
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Category:Shire (Middle-earth)
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Category:Ruined churches of World War II
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Category:Childbirth in Uganda

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge childbirth tree to the maternity tree. No consensus for midwifery by country. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 18:58, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Childbirth in Uganda to Category:Maternity in Uganda
 * Propose merging Category:Childbirth in the United States to Category:Maternity in the United States
 * Propose merging Category:Childbirth in the United Kingdom to Category:Maternity in the United Kingdom
 * Propose merging Category:Childbirth in India to Category:Maternity in India
 * Propose merging Category:Childbirth in Australia to Category:Maternity in Australia
 * Nominator's rationale: The maternity tree is better populated and has a slightly wider scope. Rathfelder (talk) 11:41, 3 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:Childbirth by country to Category:Maternity by country
 * Propose merging Category:Midwifery by country to Category:Maternity by country
 * Nominator's rationale: There are barely any articles in either of the "By country" subcategories for either childbirth or midwifery. Maternity has wider scope.  Rathfelder (talk) 11:21, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: Rathfelder, is the proposal supposed to be for merging Category:Midwifery by country to Category:Maternity by country? And apart from the Uganda category, are you suggesting changes to any of the other existing subcats? --Paul_012 (talk) 19:35, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Apologies I've been looking through these categories. I think Category:Maternity by country is viable, and there are sufficient country articles in it.  I had thought to leave the individual country articles for later consideration, but I cant see anything in the Childbirth by country categories which couldn't happily fit into the appropriate maternity category.  I'm not so sure about the midwifery articles.  Rathfelder (talk) 19:58, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support most but Keep midwifery separate. We also have a midwives by country tree, which is well populated.  It may be that some midwifery material needs purging from the maternity tree.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:50, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * I'm quite happy to leave the midwifery proposal for now. Rathfelder (talk) 11:15, 21 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Horror rock

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 * The result of the discussion was: Selective merge to Category:Horror punk. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 19:25, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Horror rock to Category:Horror punk
 * Nominator's rationale: According to the article for horror punk, horror rock is just another name for it. Is there a reason why there is a category for each? Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 17:15, 4 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment The horror punk article may say that, but I'm not sure it's true. Looking at the contents of Category:Horror rock and Category:Horror punk, they share basically none of the same bands, and there does appear to be a clear distinction between them. It feels like a tough case to make, if (via the merge) we're going to present the likes of Glenn Danzig and Alice Cooper as "Horror punk" acts. (Update: Merging in the other direction might make more sense, as all punk is rock, but not all rock is punk.) -- FeRDNYC (talk) 10:40, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * But horror rock redirects to horror punk, and I don't really find anything online that discusses "horror rock" (except a list by VH1), but there are multiple discussions and articles on what "horror punk" is, such as Rebel Circus, Rate Your Music, Ultimate Guitar and Daily Collegian. Besides merging, parsing will be necessary as well. Alice Cooper, for example, being more glam rock and shock rock as horror rock/horror punk isn't even mentioned in his article, but horror punk is mentioned in Danzig's article. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 16:37, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * You're right, I boned that one. I should've really mentioned Danzig rather than Glenn Danzig, but of course Danzig isn't listed at Category:Horror rock. Glenn Danzig started out with the Misfits and Samhain, basically creating "horror punk" — and as such, he's correctly listed in Category:Horror punk musicians.
 * Anyway, my larger point is that Category:Horror rock was likely created because, despite the Horror punk article's equivocation (which was added by an IP user back in 2010), like I said "not all rock is punk". You'll notice that Category:Horror rock contains the Horror punk article, and Category:Horror punk as a subcategory, but the reverse is not true. It also contains subcats which may or may not be appropriate to list as subcats of Category:Horror punk. (Both Category:Psychobilly and Category:Deathrock are listed at Category:Punk rock genres, alongside Category:Horror punk, which seems the correct hierarchy on that front.)
 * I guess what I'm saying is, Category:Horror rock may be useful or not, as it stands, but merging it into Category:Horror punk doesn't seem like it would serve any purpose except to arguably pollute that category with things that may not belong there. The things that do belong in Category:Horror punk are already there, or in subcats. IMHO, one could make an easier argument for just deleting Category:Horror rock outright as non-notable / minor, and allowing the various pages and subcats within to just remain reachable via the otherwise-established hierarchy. (It's not like any of these pages are lacking in WP:OVERCAT.) But since I realize that merges tend to be easier to sell than deletions, typically, I suppose a "merge" that actually adds (almost?) none of Category:Horror rock to Category:Horror punk — which I suspect would be the outcome of said merge, once the dust settled — would be a workable compromise. -- FeRDNYC (talk) 01:32, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * So merge but with cleanup needed because not all the content in horror rock belongs in horror punk. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 15:13, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Support with some reservations, as discussed above. --- FeRDNYC (talk) 01:32, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

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Category:Animated television series about teenagers

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 * The result of the discussion was: do not rename. MER-C 10:31, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Animated television series about teenagers to Category:Teen animated television series
 * Nominator's rationale: To follow the scheme of categories in Category:Teen television series. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:10, 5 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: The other categories under Category:Animated television series by topic follow the current naming pattern. — MarkH21 (talk) 23:13, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * True, although that entire scheme was created only a few months ago and there is no scheme for "teenager" categories. There is, however, Category:Works about adolescence, which contains Category:Teen films and the aforementioned Category:Teen television series. Perhaps there should be Category:Films about adolescence and Category:Television series about adolescence and this one can be renamed to Category:Animated television series about adolescence. Deletion is also an option. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:28, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * As long as they're all renamed to be consistent, anything should be fine. "_ about adolescence" sounds slightly better to me than "Teen _" because it's a bit more precise (e.g. is a "teen film" a film for a teenage audience or have teenage main characters?), and more true to the idea than "_ about teenagers" (adolescence as opposed to literally having an age between 14 and 19). — MarkH21 (talk) 23:40, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Keep "about" form which is less ambiguous. No preference between teens and adolescents. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep "about" form I agree with marco that it's less ambigous since the proposed title doesn't make it clear if teens are the subject matter or the audiance while the current title does. Slight preference for adolescence per Marks comment above, but both adolescence and teenagers are fine. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 23:02, 12 December 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Agrarian politics

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. MER-C 09:29, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Agrarian politics to Category:Agrarianism
 * Nominator's rationale: Agrarianism is a political movement; most of the articles in the category (eg Georgism) are political in nature. I'm not sure how "agrarian politics" differs from "agrarianism". Fiamh (talk, contribs) 08:37, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Oppose, agrarianism is a very specific political philosophy, while the nominated category has a much broader scope. Possibly rename to Category:Agriculture and politics, possibly move some of the content from one category to the other. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

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Category:Charlotte City Council members
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Category:Eye

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 * The result of the discussion was: do not rename. MER-C 09:27, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Eye to Category:Eyes
 * Nominator's rationale: Opposed CFDS. This seems to also be a set category since Category:Eyes in culture now exists and the Common category is also at Category:Eyes, there is also Category:Eye, Suffolk so Category:Eye can become a DAB just like Commons:Category:Eyes.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:45, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Oppose - this is a topic category as can be seen immediately by glancing at the subcats (such as ) (another topic category). The present name is just perfect. Oculi (talk) 00:36, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * Oppose. This is about all eye-related articles, not just eyes themselves. J I P  &#124; Talk 12:33, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose for the reasons above. This is for eye-related topics, not for the eyes themselves. See also the categories for Ear, Face, Head, Mouth, Nose... Grutness... wha?   23:15, 15 November 2019 (UTC)


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