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Category:Cambridge, Massachusetts city council members
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Category:American politicians of Luo descent
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Category:Sheffield L.F.C. players

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 19:01, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sheffield L.F.C. players to Category:Sheffield F.C. Ladies players
 * Nominator's rationale: For consistency with parent category Category:Sheffield F.C. Ladies and club article Sheffield F.C. Ladies. Jellyman (talk) 17:22, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 10:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom --SuperJew (talk) 19:35, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmmm.... They currently refer to themselves as Sheffield FC Women on their website and twitter. WP:NPOVTITLE it all to Sheffield F.C. Women, Sheffield F.C. Women players and so on. Hmlarson (talk) 22:04, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per C2D of WP:CFDS (match parent article name). If the parent article name is not accurate then use WP:RM to move it and then move this (and any related categories) accordingly. GiantSnowman 10:16, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Online science education

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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete. (non-admin closure)  Störm   (talk)  18:28, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Online science education to Category:E-learning and Category:Science education
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge to parent categories, apparently an unnecessary category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:45, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


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 * Apparently this was a matter of WP:G7. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:39, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Category:Gay (male) television channels

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 20:29, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Gay (male) television channels to Category:Gay male television channels
 * Nominator's rationale: Remove unnecessary parentheses. Meaning or wording of category title otherwise unchanged. Pinging: @User:Tim! and @User: Diannaa. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 16:13, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Support. renaming. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 17:50, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. The parentheses adds nothing to the meaning. Dimadick (talk) 10:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Transsexual female adult models

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated. MER-C 19:02, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Transsexual female adult models to Category:Transgender and transsexual female adult models
 * Nominator's rationale: This is the sole category on Wikipedia that only uses "Transsexual" rather than "Transsexual and transgender" or simply "transgender". Change to make consistent and broader. Pinging: @User:Epicgenius, @User:BizarreLoveTriangle, @User: Diannaa, @User:teb728, @User:Nymf, @User:Timrollpickering. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 16:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Why not go with just Category:Transgender female adult models per WP:CONCISE? &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 17:47, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Not sure about the alternative rename, so far the default form for people is "transgender and transsexual" in combination. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Traditions by university or college

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 15:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Traditions by university or college in the United States to Category:Student culture in the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Traditions by university or college in the Philippines to Category:Student culture in the Philippines
 * Propose renaming Category:Traditions by university or college in Canada to Category:Student culture in Canada
 * Nominator's rationale: There arent enough traditions for subcategories for individual institutions Rathfelder (talk) 22:22, 8 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Traditions by university or college to Category:Student culture by country
 * Nominator's rationale: That is what is in the category, and it matches the parent Category:Student culture ‎ Rathfelder (talk) 22:12, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Category:Traditions by university or college in the United States and Category:Traditions by university or college, the subcats and articles are about "traditions" so there is no reason to change the category name. Merge Category:Traditions by university or college in the Philippines to Category:Traditions by university or college per WP:SMALLCAT. Selectively merge Category:Traditions by university or college in Canada to Category:Traditions by university or college per WP:SMALLCAT, there is actually just one article that fits. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:56, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I support Marcocapelle's suggestions, but split Category:Traditions by university or college in the United States to a new parent Category:Student culture in the United States since not all the current members belong, but that one does have enough articles and subcategories by Uni to be kept; rename the Canada one as nominated, adding one article to Category:Traditions by university or college, otherwise the other content would have to be purged or moved to ; and split Category:Traditions by university or college to a new Category:Student culture by country. There will be other things that can be added to the new categories. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:13, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I was thinking that Category:Student culture by country would be be more useful than what we have now. Some of the traditions extent beyond particular institutions. Rathfelder (talk) 09:45, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I think there is scope for both to be useful. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:14, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Compromise per Fayenatic_london.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:07, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 15:56, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * which element in my suggestions were you precisely supporting? (Question for clarification.) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd keep the US one and its parent, as you said, but split them to "student culture". I'd also merge the Philippines one as you said. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:45, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Rename some articles already have things like "and customes" added into their name. The use of culture in the name seems to me to better capture the scope of what we are trying to cover.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:17, 17 January 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Regulation by regulated region

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 19:00, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * One of the participants has stated that they intended to support a renaming to Category:Regulation by country. There is consensus for this rename. MER-C 19:53, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Regulation by regulated region to Category:Regulation by region
 * Nominator's rationale: unnecessarily wordy Lmatt (talk) 01:28, 5 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete? The content of the category has little to do with regions. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:32, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Regulation by country and move international contents up into Category:Regulation. I'm removing India–United States Civil Nuclear Agreement as a treaty, not a regulation. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * What about Category:European Union regulations‎? Lmatt (talk) 21:58, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support rename, and the EU regulations then have to be moved to Category:Regulation. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:20, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 11:52, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Relisting comment: I'd like one or two more comments as to the destination, and how to deal with the EU category? MER-C 11:52, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per Macrocapelle. We may get other multi-national regulations in due course, in which case we can create an international regulations parent.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:54, 23 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Call of Duty Championships

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. MER-C 19:54, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Call of Duty Championships to Category:Call of Duty Championship
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistency with article titles Pbrks (talk) 22:44, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Oppose, this is a set category, it contains multiple championships. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The tournament name is called "Call of Duty Championship". We don't make categories for specific competitive events plural (e.g., we have the category Category:Super Bowl, not Category:Super Bowls). Pbrks (talk) 02:18, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. This is about one championship (the Call of Duty Championship, proper name), held in multiple years.  If there were multiple notable championships (e.g. a European Call of Duty Championship, etc.), then the category would be "Category:Call of Duty championships" (plural and lower-case c).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:14, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 11:23, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. It is a set category, unlike Category:Super Bowl, which is a topic category. Oculi (talk) 11:49, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * No, the COD category here is a topic category. Pbrks (talk) 15:04, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It's definitely a set category: see WP:SETCAT. it should be "Category:Call of Duty championships" as SMcCandlish says. Oculi (talk) 18:13, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I am fully aware of what a set category is. The category is about the topic "Call of Duty Championship", so it is a topic category. As a side note, there already exists the set category Category:Call of Duty competitions. Pbrks (talk) 18:28, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Iranian proxy groups

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 19:03, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting iranian proxy groups


 * Nominator's rationale: This is a POV category. Iran denies that these groups like the Islamic Jihad or whatever groups are their proxies. And these groups consider themselves as a resistance movements against Western colonialism.--SharabSalam (talk) 06:44, 17 November 2019 (UTC) SharabSalam (talk) 06:44, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - this proposing statement is just a personal opinion claim, which is not a balance of reliable sources. We have a large number of WP:OR sources including reliable news networks, academia and political research institutes naming Hezbollah, PIJ and others as Iranian "proxies" - participating in respective Iran-Saudi Arabia proxy conflict and other violent events in the Middle East ,,,. Saying "Iran denies" - is WP:IDONTLIKEIT, especially if there are no sources brought for that Iranian denial.GreyShark (dibra) 06:51, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Categorizations should generally be uncontroversial.--SharabSalam (talk) 06:53, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * You have literally just added the category to the Houthis article which especially says that BOTH Iran and Houthis deny they are proxies.--SharabSalam (talk) 06:56, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * While many reliable sources say that Houthis are Iranian proxies. In this regard, we should follow WP:RS like Iran's proxies Hezbollah and Houthis under Trump's Maximum Pressure/.GreyShark (dibra) 06:57, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That's the Western POV. The academic POV and what WP:OR WP:RSs say is that Houthis are not proxies of Iran .--SharabSalam (talk) 07:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Do not confuse POV and RS - different things. Any way, the source you brought is just playing with definition of proxy - it says "Although Houthis are not proxies of rival Iran, Tehran is definitely a supporter of the rebels."GreyShark (dibra) 07:29, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course Iran is going to support any group against any country that it is hostile to Iran either by their media or whatever. That is common sense. That doesn't mean that these groups are fighting for Iran. Like for example Hamas is fighting against Israel which most of the middle Eastern people consider it as a European invasion and Hamas consider itself as a resistance movement. Iran is a middle Eastern country and it is also against Israel that doesn't make Hamas a proxy group for Iran. Same thing can apply to the Houthis and the European-backed the Saudi--SharabSalam (talk) 07:36, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Hamas is not so much fighting Israel now, it has been mainly fighting the Fatah and Salafist groups for the past several years. Hamas is now a proxy of Turkey and Qatar, but until the Syrian War Hamas had been a proxy of Iran.GreyShark (dibra) 10:40, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Iran is mainly against the Arab League, not so much against Israel.GreyShark (dibra) 10:41, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thats nonsense, Arab leaders which the Europeans support do not represent Arabs. They are dictators who were not democratically elected. All Arabs and indogeneus people of the middle East are against the European invasion of Palestine and all democratically elected presidents of Arabs are against Israel.  Like Kais Saied, Mohamed Morsi etc. The Bolivian first indigenous president is not a friend of the European colony in Palestine. So these people are not proxies to Iran, but they share the same struggle and the same goal, they support each other but that doesnt make them proxies.--SharabSalam (talk) 08:17, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete, to avoid precedent. If we would start categorizing allies in every conflict, it would become a serious WP:OCAT issue. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:54, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and Macroapelle.--TM 14:54, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * (with some regret) delete -- The allegation that they are proxies tends to imply that the alleged proxy does not have a mind of its own and is a mere puppet. That is clearly nonsense.  However that does not mean that the groups do not enjoy support (perhaps financial support) from Iran.  It may be that there is a genuine category here, but a different name would be needed better to define the relationship.  Perhaps Category:Political movements supported by Iran.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:02, 23 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Nigerian portals

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 19:04, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Nigerian portals to Category:West African portals and Category:Portals by country and Category:Nigeria Wikipedia administration


 * Nominator's rationale: merge to all parents per WP:SMALLCAT. After the deletion of several sub-portals, there is now only one Nigerian portal: Portal:Nigeria.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 03:54, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Kenyan portals

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 19:00, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Kenyan portals to Category:African portals
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Since the deletion of Portal:Geography of Kenya at WP:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Geography of Kenya, the only Kenyan portal is Portal:Kenya.  So this category contains only one item: Category:Kenya portal.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 03:37, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 17 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Works about Jacques Lacan
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