Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 October 27



Category:Irish collaborators with the British Empire

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Categories for discussion/Log/2019 October 29 was closed as delete. MER-C 11:33, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting irish collaborators with the british empire


 * Nominator's rationale: This category is pushing a POV that Irish people who support Britain are "collaborators". Of the five members of the category, several (Bradstreet, Cassidy, Magan) lived during times when Ireland was ruled by the British monarch, Joyce was not Irish, and Fovargue is already in appropriate categories for having informed on fellow IRA members. Fiamh (talk, contribs) 23:40, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete POV category. All Irishmen loyal to king and country were "collaborators". Dimadick (talk) 10:35, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment The user who created this category,, was later blocked for disruptive editing. Fiamh (talk, contribs) 22:48, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete POV fork of Category:Irish unionists. Place Clichy (talk) 13:45, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Strong keep for now. There is clearly some POV-pushing at work here, but there are plenty of similar categories for "collaborators". This search shows plenty of other categories using the term in the same way, e.g. Category:Collaborators with Imperial Japan and Category:Indian collaborators with the British Empire.  Whatever decision we make about categorising people as "collaborators" with an occupying power should be made consistently.  Either this stigmatising POV term is acceptable in categorisation, or it isn't; but there is no reason to decide that Ireland is the one exceptional place where the term is unacceptable. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 04:45, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * This wider discussion has since been opened here: Categories for discussion/Log/2019 October 29. Place Clichy (talk) 15:34, 4 November 2019 (UTC)


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Greek Catholic Churches

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 11:25, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Byzantine Catholic Church of Croatia and Serbia to Category:Greek Catholic Church of Croatia and Serbia
 * Propose renaming Category:Bulgarian Byzantine Catholic Church to Category:Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church
 * Propose renaming Category:Macedonian Byzantine Catholic Church to Category:Macedonian Greek Catholic Church
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D per main articles Greek Catholic Church of Croatia and Serbia, Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church, Macedonian Greek Catholic Church and WP:C2C per the rest of that belong to the Greek Catholic Church. Note that 'Greek Catholic' is a lot more common term than 'Byzantine Catholic', not only on Wikipedia but, for instance, on Scholar (15,600 hits vs. 855 hits). Note, also that native languages of these churches use a variation of 'Greek Catholic': hr:Grkokatolička crkva, sh:Grkokatoličanstvo, sr:Гркокатоличка, mk:Грко-католичка, bg:Гръкокатолици. In fact, first-page Ggl results seem to indicate that 'Byzantine Catholic Church' is mostly a term in the United States to describe the part of the Ruthenian Greek Catholic Church there, which is only one of the 14 different Greek Catholic Churches.  ping contributors in speedy discussion. Place Clichy (talk) 23:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Category:Bulgarian Byzantine Catholic Church to Category:Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church – C2D per Bulgarian Greek Catholic Church Place Clichy (talk) 12:55, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Category:Macedonian Byzantine Catholic Church to Category:Macedonian Greek Catholic Church – C2D per Macedonian Greek Catholic Church Place Clichy (talk) 12:55, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Category:Byzantine Catholic Church of Croatia and Serbia to Category:Greek Catholic Church of Croatia and Serbia – C2D per Greek Catholic Church of Croatia and Serbia Place Clichy (talk) 12:55, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose speedy. Those are categories on Eastern Catholic Churches of the Byzantine Rite, and their names in English should be consistent with the name of the main article on that rite (Byzantine Rite). This is a much bigger issue, since the Catholic Church is officially preferring "Byzantine" designation for Eastern Catholic Churches of that rite, mainly because "Greek" designation has ethnic connotations, while "Byzantine" is considered as ethnically neutral. Therefore, it should be the other way around, all pages and categories on EW that are containing "Greek Catholic" designation should be renamed to contain the "Byzantine Catholic" designation. Sorabino (talk) 08:19, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * this is a wrong venue for a discussion like this, you should discuss the article names to begin with. Category names follow article names. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:14, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:16, 2 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Spacecraft by launch system

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. MER-C 10:24, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting spacecraft by launch system


 * Nominator's rationale: Launcher is a non-defining feature of spacecraft. fgnievinski (talk) 20:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose I'd say it's a pretty defining feature, ginve that the size and weight of the craft correlates directly with how it is launched. As commercial spaceflight becomes more prominent, the actual launch system is becoming even more relevant, as launch is not limited to a small number of national space agencies. This is also a well-populated tree which serves the purpose far better than other methods (e.g., infoboxes) can. Grutness... wha?   03:14, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Procedural oppose, it does not make sense to nominate this category on its own, the subcategories should be included in the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep As Grutness notes, it's a pretty defining feature of them. This is true enough for craft (i.e. designs), but even more so for missions (i.e. instances of such a craft). Many of these are CubeSats, which could have been launched by almost any launch vehicle from a Shuttle down. But they were launched by a particular, and recorded, launcher and that warrants description here. Also anything affecting the subcategories would be even worse. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:50, 4 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Psychology terminology
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 8%23Category:Psychology terminology

Category:American military personnel of North American descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 11:35, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:American military personnel of North American descent to Category:American military personnel by ethnic or national origin
 * Propose upmerging Category:American military personnel of European descent to Category:American military personnel by ethnic or national origin
 * Propose upmerging Category:American military personnel of Oceanian descent to Category:American military personnel by ethnic or national origin
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. These categories each contain only one national subcategory (for Native American, Irish-American and Hawaian descent people, resp.), which are ethnic and national designations in their own right that were perfectly fine at the level above until an editor decided to create this artificial intermediate level. None seems to pass WP:OCEGRS. Note that simultaneously created parent categories Category:American people of North American descent by occupation and Category:American people of Oceanian descent by occupation would find themselves empty and be eligible for speedy deletion if this goes through. Place Clichy (talk) 15:41, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:53, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support but perhaps it should be a full upmerge, not just as nom. These are one-member categories with little scope for useful expansion.  Peterkingiron (talk) 20:25, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Collegiate sports portals

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 11:27, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Collegiate sports portals to Category:University and college portals
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only one item: Category:College football portal.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:29, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Support in principle per nom, though presumably it should be a dual merge, right? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:54, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge to both parents, Category:University and college portals and Category:Sports portals.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:06, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * no need to merge to both parents. The only content is Category:College football portal, which is already in Category:American football portals, which is a subcat of Category:Sports portals. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 02:33, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That works for me.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:37, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes of course, you are correct. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:51, 2 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Baseball portals

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 11:27, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Baseball portals to Category:Sports and games portals
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only one item: Category:Baseball portal   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:27, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:55, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:58, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Martial arts portals

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 11:26, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Martial arts portals to Category:Sports and games portals
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT.  It contains only one item: Category:Martial arts portal.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:26, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:55, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:58, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Religious skeptics by ethnicity

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:20, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting religious skeptics by ethnicity


 * Propose deleting atheists by ethnicity


 * Propose deleting agnostics by ethnicity


 * Propose deleting humanists by ethnicity


 * Nominator's rationale: The intersection between absence of religion and ethnicity does not seem to be automatically defining, per WP:OCEGRS. These recently-created categories seem to be an illegitimate intermediate level of categorization. Note that individual subcategories are not part of the nomination, as e.g. Jewish atheism is a notable topic. Place Clichy (talk) 14:01, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Support in principle but I suppose that in conjunction for example Category:Jewish atheists should be moved to Category:Atheists, right? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:57, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it would probably be a subcat of both atheists and Jews.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:00, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Taking a look at all subcategories, the only ones that would be stranded would be and, which were previously moved from the root of  and have to be moved back. Place Clichy (talk) 16:01, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Correct. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:51, 31 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:00, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Strong delete support, not really defining and the two don't go together. As useful as sceptics by hair colour or by shoe type. The two don't have anything to do with one another. Canterbury Tail talk 21:59, 2 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Roman Catholic church buildings in Australia

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 11:28, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic church buildings in Australia to Category:Buildings and structures of the Catholic Church in Australia
 * Nominator's rationale: Despite the name, "this category is for buildings that are not used as churches", indeed two seminaries and a presbytery (priest house). Suggest naming according to parent Category:Buildings and structures of the Catholic Church, to avoid confusion with Category:Roman Catholic churches in Australia which is for the church buildings. Place Clichy (talk) 13:33, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge per WP:SMALLCAT to Category:Buildings and structures of the Catholic Church and Category:Catholic Church in Australia, or else rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:41, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. I find it difficult to believe this isn't underpopulated, and certainly there is plenty of scope for potential expansion, so I'm not convinced by the SMALLCAT argument. Grutness... wha?   03:16, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I've managed to expand it a bit. Grutness... wha?   03:23, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Plenty of room for expansion. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:18, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Plenty of room for expansion. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:18, 2 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Canadian Jews of Mizrahi Jewish descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:21, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting canadian jews of mizrahi jewish descent


 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. are otherwise organized by national origin or by religious denomination, not by Ashkhenazi/Sephardi/Mizrahi subculture. The only article is already found in,  and . Place Clichy (talk) 13:19, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Support, Egyptian-Jewish and Lebanese-Jewish descent should suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:43, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Dracula in film

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:21, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dracula in film


 * Nominator's rationale: This category appears to be totally redundant to me. Any pages that could be in this category are already in the "Dracula films" one. Simon Peter Hughes (talk) 11:13, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:47, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


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Category:1930s color films
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. MER-C 11:31, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 1930s color films


 * Propose deleting 1920s color films


 * Nominator's rationale: Classic case of a non-defining category.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:38, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: Even though black-and-white films dominated the industry in the 1930s, the use of technocolor increased more. The idea is not to create similar categories for later decades (for obvious reasons), but to make it easier for interested readers to navigate among the relatively modest number of color films in this decade. --Semsurî (talk) 13:17, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: neither 1930s color films or 1920s color films (consider at same time?) are tagged as under discussion. (NB; see also Category:Silent films in color) Hugo999 (talk) 03:48, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * that's because the CfD tag was removed. I've restored it, and I'll add the 1920s category in a minute. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:49, 28 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep The articles do contain information on the color processes used (Two-strip Texhnicolor, Three-strip Technicolor, hand-colored, etc.) and changes in technology are a defining aspect for films. Dimadick (talk) 10:34, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per above, as noted I don't think we'd want any later decades but certainly this was defining and significant during the 1920s and 1930s. Note even in the 1930s that many of the included entries are cartoon shorts rather than feature films, for which it was still very uncommon. postdlf (talk) 15:30, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep "classic case" is sheer handwaving. It's obviously clearly defining by simple conditions, and it's a technically significant period, with relevant content, for the development of colour photography and cinematography. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:47, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Note - if the consensus is to delete, these films should be listified. Grutness... wha?   02:32, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Too late for that, as we already have this list: List of early color feature films. Covers color films from 1902 to 1938, along with sourced information on the color format used. Dimadick (talk) 14:49, 1 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Pages containing click using deprecated parameters
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 * The result of the discussion was: no action taken (out of scope for CFD). MER-C 11:33, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting pages containing click using deprecated parameters


 * Nominator's rationale: No need to track the usage of deprecated parameters since the whole template is deprecated. WOSlinker (talk) 16:29, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

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 * Comment: This is a strange situation. It appears that the "this template is deprecated" notice was added to the documentation prior to the most recent TFD, which closed as "no consensus", and even prior to the TFD before that, which closed as "Snow Keep". I don't think that Click should be marked as deprecated at all. We should probably move this discussion to the template's talk page. This is a confusing situation, especially since there does not appear to have been any discussion on the template's talk page for over ten years. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:21, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

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 * I concur with Jonesy95; whether the template is/should be deprecated is an open question and out-of-scope for CfD.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:08, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Canadian subsidiaries of foreign companies
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 * The result of the discussion was: situation resolved. Since Category:Schedule II banks in Canada has been upmerged this discussion is now unnecessary. Removing individual items as not defining is as usual possible on a per article basis without going through CfD. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 14:18, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose unlinking schedule ii banks in canada from canadian subsidiaries of foreign companies


 * Nominator's rationale: This isn't a request to delete this category, but rather, what I'd like to see happen, if schedule ii banks in canada is ultimately retained, is for consensus to unlink schedule ii banks in canada as a sub-category of this category as it is creating pecularities whereby Walmart Canada is now listed as a Schedule II bank in Canada (which it is not; it sold its banking operations to First National controlling shareholder Stephen Smith and Centerbridge Partners on April 1, 2019, this year). Walmart Canada is not tagged with the schedule ii banks in canada tag - it appears in that category solely because, I suspect, that category is tagged as a sub-category of this category. That's highly problematic, at best, and, at worst, very misleading.

Also, how do I propose a new type of discussion for CfD? Twinkle only lists Deletion, Merge, Renaming, Split, and Convert to Article? I think there should be an Other option, or some sort of option to otherwise remove a category from being a sub-category. Thanks. Doug Mehus (talk) 00:10, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Added comment from Nominator: Note I have manually modified this to be a proposed unlinking from a deletion. Doug Mehus (talk) 00:15, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose, schedule II banks are subsidiaries of foreign banks so it is a fully legimitate child category of Category:Canadian subsidiaries of foreign companies. Whether or not the redirect Walmart Canada Bank belongs in the category is a different discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:52, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , How do you propose to unlink Walmart Canada Bank then? I would note it is not even a page, but a redirect. It is Walmart Canada that appears in Schedule II banks of Canada category, which is incorrect. Doug Mehus (talk) 15:51, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , thanks for that...it was the Walmart Canada Bank that was causing the problem as it was tagged with the Schedule II banks of Canada category. Doug Mehus (talk) 15:55, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * are you withdrawing this nomination? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * , I wouldn't have a problem if this was withdrawn now that I've de-linked Walmart Canada Bank from this category apparently with no opposition to that de-linking. I am more concerned about leaving my category up as it consists almost entirely of redirects to Canadian branches of foreign companies, which have very little presence in Canada. Doug Mehus (talk) 14:05, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

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Category:Informer (newspaper)
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 11:22, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting informer (newspaper)


 * Nominator's rationale: only an eponymous article and a file. Rathfelder (talk) 17:17, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

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 * Keep although currently this category holds only one article, in the future several additional articles may be added to this category; as, in Serbia, this topic is discussed on every-day basis both in academic and journalist environments. Considering current (very low) level of media freedom, media manipulation (by this newspaper in case) I think that this topic can be covered extensively on an encyclopaedic level. <font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#05df78 0.1em 0.1em 1.0em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;">Vs6507 23:16, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, at least for now. In the unlikely event that a handful of different articles about this newspaper is written, the category may be restored. Side note: no other Serbian newspaper has its own category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete Nothing to see here. The file is in the article, so I'm not sure what the benefit of having this category at this time. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:29, 29 October 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Ethnic groups in the Arab League
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated. MER-C 09:17, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ethnic groups in the Arab League to ethnic groups in the arab world


 * Nominator's rationale: The Arab League is a political organization in the Arab world. Egypt, Libya, and Syria have all been suspended from the Arab League at different times in history, but none of those countries stopped being in the Arab world. This category is pretty clearly meant for ethnic groups in Arab countries, regardless of whether they are part of the Arab League or not. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 12:19, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

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 * Alt merge to Category:Ethnic groups in the Middle East and purge content irrelevant to this definition (added 21 Oct). I agree with nominator that the Arab League, as an organization, is irrelevant to the geographical diffusion of ethnic groups. However, the Middle East is a well-known region of the world, which is also culturally significant, and already the basis for a great part of our category tree. It is a lot better for diffusion of the category, especially since what we want to categorize here is both Arab and non-Arab ethnic groups. "Arab world" would probably be a too vague notion and open the door to endless edit wars. Place Clichy (talk) 16:21, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Ethnic groups in the Middle East per Place Clichy's suggestion. Clearer geographic scope. Dimadick (talk) 17:53, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Rename as nominated. I do not support the alternative merge suggestion, as the Arab world covers North Africa as well as the Middle East, and there is content that would not belong e.g. Berber, Maghrebi Jews, not to mention "diaspora in the Arab world" sub-cats. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:41, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Rename as nominated, or keep (as it is a subcat of ). A glance at the contents undermines the alternative proposal as Tunisia, Sudan and the Comoros (amongst others) are not in the Middle East. Oculi (talk) 10:18, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Precisely, as author of the alt proposal, I would say that the light change of scope is on purpose. Content like, , as well as Northwestern Africa would not fit in the target category, and I think that this is a good thing. What do they have in common with the rest, besides membership in an international organization? Place Clichy (talk) 16:48, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Rather than merge, I suggest that the alternative should be to split between Middle East and Category:Ethnic groups in North Africa. However, I still see value in keeping the Arab world category, as Category:Arab world has some other useful navigational content such as Category:Political movements in the Arab world‎. Although I would not create categories such as ethnic groups in the Anglophone or Francophone world, the Arab world has more coherence than simply a linguistic region. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:42, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I think your split proposal here and my merge to ... Middle East proposal come down pretty much to the same thing, as obviously current content not belonging to the ME category should be purged before merging! Looking at current category content, there are subcategories re: Somalia, Djibouti, Sudan and North Africa, which are already in their regional categories. As what goes without saying goes better when saying it, I'm adding a mention above. Would you support this proposal? Place Clichy (talk) 12:43, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

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 * would you care to express if your proposition to split Middle East and North Africa and my updated proposition to merge to Middle East after purging come down to the same thing? I think we are very close to finding consensus. Place Clichy (talk) 15:54, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I beg your pardon for not being clearer. I meant to suggest an improvement of the alternative proposal from its original version, but no version of those alternatives is my preferred outcome. I still support retention of a category with the current scope, by renaming it from Arab League to Arab world. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:22, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying. I think I still find the purged Middle East category outcome more appealing. Place Clichy (talk) 22:39, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Rename as nominated. Using the cultural region of the Arab world instead of the geographical distinction between Africa and the Middle East is going to serve our readers better since they're probably interested in both. The category isn't overly large and a split wouldn't improve navigation significantly even when readers are only interested in Africa or the Middle East. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 00:53, 21 November 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Universities and colleges affiliated with the Sathya Sai Organization
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. For the record and if someone wants to merge, the only member was Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning. MER-C 11:24, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting universities and colleges affiliated with the sathya sai organization


 * Nominator's rationale: One page category. No chance of expansion .... &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 13:39, 16 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Support in principle, per nom, but merge to Category:Schools affiliated with the Sathya Sai Organization instead of plain deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:28, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Probably best to merge further up, to Category:Sathya Sai Baba. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:04, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * That can also be done, although I do not think that the article Sri Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning would be in a wrong place in Category:Schools affiliated with the Sathya Sai Organization either. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:20, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

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 * Delete -- The parent for this organisation appears to be Category:Sathya Sai Baba, where the one article is already categorised. I would not oppose merging to the schools of which this is also a subcat.  Peterkingiron (talk) 20:34, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Queer studies
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 11:28, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Queer studies to Category:LGBT studies.
 * Nominator's rationale: The category "Queer studies" shouldn't be the parent category for all LGBT studies, because queer studies is one aspect of LGBT studies in academia. Queer studies certainly represents a sub-type of LGBT academic studies, but queer studies should be a sub-category rather than the main category. So for example, people like Larry Kramer or Camille Paglia are relevant to LGBT studies, but are certainly not affiliated with queer studies, queer theory, or queer identity. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 06:46, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Support - There were slightly different nominations in 2006 and 2008, but naming practices of LGBT categories have evolved since then. Most arguments in favour of renaming to LGBT in the 2008 CfD (which was originally a deletion discussion) were that 'queer studies' has not catched up and is an Americanism while 'LGBT studies' is more global. These arguments are still valid today. The wider umbrella term seems to better reflect the current content of the category than that of topic article Queer studies. Place Clichy (talk) 13:43, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and on top of this I wonder if the main article should be renamed too. For example the first main quote in the article is from the former chair of the Larry Kramer Initiative for Lesbian and Gay Studies (my italics). Marcocapelle (talk) 13:58, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per all of the above; and I agree with Marcocapelle on taking the main article to RM.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:09, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Washington International University alumni
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