Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 October 4



Category:Specific models
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Category:Thai Buddhist monarchs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 10:22, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting thai buddhist monarchs


 * Propose deleting laotian buddhist monarchs


 * Nominator's rationale: As far as I could determine, there are no historical Thai or Lao monarchs who weren't Buddhist. These categories are redundant, since Category:Thai monarchs and Category:Monarchs of Laos, Category:Kings of Lan Xang, Category:Kings of Champasak, Category:Kings of Luang Phrabang and Category:Kings of Vientiane can be placed under Category:Buddhist monarchs directly. Paul_012 (talk) 14:19, 4 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:27, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * (E/C) I just updated the nom to add a second category. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:33, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Just wondering, shouldn't the second category be renamed to Category:Laotian monarchs? Or does Category:Monarchs of Laos coincide with that? Marcocapelle (talk) 15:10, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * All articles currently under Category:Laotian Buddhist monarchs except Sisavang Vatthana are already under Category:Kings of Lan Xang. I think if Category:Laotian monarchs were to be created, it should serve as a container cat for those five historical Lao kingdoms. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:27, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * That clearly is beyond the scope of this nomination. Support both then. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:13, 5 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Support both Place Clichy (talk) 15:26, 4 October 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Fishing companies in Australia

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 09:30, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Fishing companies in Australia to Category:Fishing companies and Category:Fishing in Australia and Category:Food and drink companies of Australia Category:Seafood companies of Australia
 * Propose merging Category:Fishing companies of Iceland to Category:Fishing companies and Category:Fishing in Iceland and Category:Seafood companies of Iceland
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge, per WP:SMALLCAT, not enough fishing companies are notable. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:31, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Support both, rather sadly. Rathfelder (talk) 19:05, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Why I dont like CFD - exactly - a really unhelpful merge JarrahTree 00:24, 22 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge the Aussie one to  - another one-article category, though there's at least two more with articles (Huon Aquaculture and Tassal). Grutness... wha?   03:34, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, changed that in the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:54, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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Category:CIS Men's Basketball Championship
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Category:1861 in Montgomery, Alabama

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Montgomery, Alabama in the American Civil War. No opposition. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 10:13, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging
 * Category:1861 in Montgomery, Alabama to Category:1861 in Alabama and Category:19th century in Montgomery, Alabama
 * Category:1860s in Montgomery, Alabama to Category:1860s in Alabama and Category:19th century in Montgomery, Alabama
 * Propose deleting
 * Category:Years in Montgomery, Alabama
 * Category:Decades in Montgomery, Alabama
 * Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. This categorisation scheme was started in March 2017, and abandoned the same day with only only two articles in the whole tree. i.e. the two pages in Category:1861 in Montgomery, Alabama.
 * Montgomery isn't a huge city (2010 population = 205,764), so I don't know how much content there is per decade. So it would be much better to start by populating the century categories, and divide them by decade if there is enough content to do so with crating a forest of SMALLCATs. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:34, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Support in principle, the content of Category:History of Montgomery, Alabama is too limited to require diffusion by year or decade. The merge target may be changed to Category:Montgomery, Alabama in the American Civil War however - or that category should be upmerged too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I have no objection to that change of merge target. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 16:37, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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Category:Greater Croatian ideology

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename as proposed. While I usually wouldn't be comfortable closing a discussion with two plausible alternatives with little discussion of the second, but since it has been a relist and 20 days without any discussion I don't believe keeping this open will do any good. I'm consequently closing in favor of the original proposal for which there is consensus is preferable to the status quo. There is no consensus with regards to the Greater Croatia (ideology) alternative and no predjudice against starting a new discussion on this topic. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 07:58, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Greater Croatian ideology to Category:Croatian irredentism
 * Category:Greater Serbian ideology to Category:Serbian irredentism
 * Nominator's rationale: The proposed titles represent a more natural intersection of Category:Fooian nationalism Category:Irredentism, and align with similar categories for the Albanian, Italian, Polish, and other variants in the latter category. (Pinging the categories' creators, User:Santasa99 and User:Mladifilozof) -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:26, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment - My only problem with this is that in case of Croatian and/or Serbian irredentism, scholarship in Serbo-Croatian as well as in English rarely if ever talks about it by labeling it "irredentism", instead we can almost exclusively read about "Greater Serbian/Croatian ideology" - in Serbo-Croatian, actually, scholarship refers to all case of irredentism as "Greater - Albanian, Bulgarian, Greek, Serbian, Croatian - ideology".-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  22:07, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I am ignorant as to how they are covered in Serbo-Croatian scholarship, but I see plenty of examples in English-language scholarship of "Croatian irredentism" (22 results, and also in books) and "Serbian irredentism" (98 results, and also in books) compared to "Greater Croatian ideology" (4 results) and "Greater Serbian ideology" (89 results). -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:18, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Alt rename to Category:Greater Croatia and Category:Greater Serbia, as WP:C2D per article names Greater Croatia and Greater Serbia. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * There would probably be a risk of confusion with geographical concepts, and also the risk of hot heads adding articles about every single tract of land in the Balkans and around to categories so named. Place Clichy (talk) 16:46, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, then I would go for Category:Greater Croatia (ideology) and Category:Greater Serbia (ideology), at least keeping in line with common terminology. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:43, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Support as a more descriptive and neutral name. Note that articles Greater Croatia and Greater Serbia cite irredentism as early as the first paragraph. Place Clichy (talk) 16:46, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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Category:Carpooling services
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Category:Internet companies of Norway
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Category:LGBT people of Puerto Rican descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to parents. MER-C 10:28, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:LGBT people of Puerto Rican descent to Category:LGBT American people of Puerto Rican descent
 * Nominator's rationale: Category description and parent categories seem to imply that this category is specific to American people of Puerto Rican descent, not people in any country. Place Clichy (talk) 09:47, 4 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge to parent categories per WP:EGRS, as an unrelated intersection with sexual orientation. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:35, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per Marcocapelle. -- Black Falcon (talk) 00:48, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * (from nominator) I would be fine with an upmerge result to parent categories and, although some may be already within a subcategory of . Place Clichy (talk) 14:20, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * With multiple merge targets the merge process can't be automated anyway, so those issues can be checked while manually merging. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:56, 8 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Upmerge. In reality this shouldn't exist, because the intersection of nationality with LGBTness with country of ancestral origin is a triple intersection and not a defining characteristic — similar categories do not and rightly should not exist for any other possible combination of those attributes on earth. No "American LGBT people of Japanese descent", no "German LGBT people of Turkish descent", no "Canadian LGBT people of Danish descent", and on and so forth. But even though I disagree with the need for it it, I feel it necessary to provide some background on the actual story behind this: Puerto Rico's status as a territory of the United States means that "Puerto Rican X" categories often collect mainland Americans with Puerto Rican heritage even if they've never personally lived in Puerto Rico at all — whether they should or not is another question that's beyond the scope of this discussion to review, but as it stands they often do. But in this case, the fact that the category for LGBT people from Puerto Rico is named "LGBT people from Puerto Rico" rather than "Puerto Rican LGBT people" precludes using it that way — so the creator of this argued that we had to create a special Puerto Rico-specific exemption from the otherwise universal consensus against intersecting LGBTness with ethnicity, so that mainlanders of Puerto Rican ancestry could still contain some form of categorization for the LGBT-meets-Puerto-Rico axis to match to the way "Puerto Rican X" categories were getting used. And because of his persistence in arguing that Puerto Rico had special needs that required a special compromise, past attempts to delete this have always landed "no consensus" rather than as clear deletes or keeps. And furthermore, it's always created the problem that editors thought it justified other "LGBT people of X descent" categories for other ethnicities too — which is another reason why Puerto Rico doesn't really need a completely unique exemption from the fact that it's not considered a defining characteristic for anybody else. We have always consistently deleted "LGBT people of X descent" every time it's ever been tried for any other ethnicity but Puerto Rican — entirely because of Lawrlafo's persistence in manning the ramparts every time it was challenged, this is the only one for which we've struggled to actually establish a consensus against it. I wasn't convinced by Lawrlafo's arguments in 2010, and I'm no more convinced by them in 2019 — this should still be upmerged rather than simply being renamed. Bearcat (talk) 17:01, 9 October 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Faculty by university in Europe

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 10:27, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Faculty by university in Europe to Category:Faculty by university or college in Europe
 * Propose renaming Category:Academics by university in Ireland to Category:Academics by university or college in Ireland
 * Propose renaming Category:Academics by university in the United Kingdom to Category:Academics by university or college in the United Kingdom
 * Propose renaming Category:Academics by university in England to Category:Academics by university or college in England
 * Propose renaming Category:Academics by university in Northern Ireland to Category:Academics by university or college in Northern Ireland
 * Propose renaming Category:Academics by university in Scotland to Category:Academics by university or college in Scotland
 * Propose renaming Category:Academics by university in Wales to Category:Academics by university or college in Wales
 * Nominator's rationale: Withdrawn from speedy to bring to full discussion. "Universities and colleges" covers "categories containing a wide range of higher education intitutions (colleges, institutes, academies, faculties, polytechnics, specialized schools etc.)" (per User:Place Clichy). "Universities and colleges" is also consistent with Category:Faculty by university or college and Category:Universities and colleges in Europe. Target is currently a soft redirect. Pinging participants in the previous discussion on Category:Universities_in_Croatia: User:Marcocapelle, User:Place Clichy, User:Rathfelder. TSventon (talk) 08:14, 4 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment - format changed for better readability. Removed an additional nominator comment for national categories: category contains college academics. Place Clichy (talk) 08:37, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support all per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 08:37, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support all per nom. Rathfelder (talk) 18:31, 4 October 2019 (UTC)


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Category:American Jews of Latin European descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 10:27, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:American Jews of Latin European descent to Category:American Jews of European descent
 * Propose merging Category:American Jews of Germanic European descent to Category:American Jews of European descent
 * Propose merging Category:American Jews of Baltic descent to Category:American Jews of European descent
 * Nominator's rationale: These categories are not fitting the current "people by descent" category as there are no Latin Europeans, Germanic Europeans or Baltic Europeans parents - and there probably should not be. They are intersections of descent and ethnicity on arbitrary lines (why in the world would be of Latin European descent but  be of Germanic European descent?). Such intersections should be set up with great care and only when most necessary according to WP:OCEGRS. Suggest upmerge to the only parent. Place Clichy (talk) 07:33, 4 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Krakkos (talk) 08:36, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support, the grouping is apparently based on language family, which is entirely unrelated to the topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:39, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Results in bizarre categorisations like this. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:54, 5 October 2019 (UTC)


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Category:R.E. Mouscron players
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