Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 September 11



Myanmar/Burmese people

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 09:39, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Myanmar people to Category:Burmese people
 * Propose merging Category:Myanmar people by century to Category:Burmese people by century
 * Propose merging Category:20th-century Myanmar people to Category:20th-century Burmese people
 * Nominator's rationale: There is no separate category tree for "Myanmar" people, and Burmese is a valid demonym for the country of Myanmar per main article. The currently 4 articles in these rump categories do not stand out in any way from the other articles in the well-established category tree, e.g. the 141 people currently under Category:21st-century Burmese people. This pretty much meets WP:C2C criterion for speedy renaming. It is also in line with this CfD. Place Clichy (talk) 15:26, 11 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge -- leaving a cat-redirect. However, I have to admit there is a possible distinction, between ethnic Burmese and ethnic Shan, Chin, Karen, and others, when the Bumese army wishes to dominate and persecute.  Peterkingiron (talk) 11:52, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Terms like Myanmar, Burma or Burmese are usually understood to refer to the entire country, not its majority ethnic group. Content for the ethnic group is found at Bamar people and Category:Bamar people. Therefore, using Myanmar/Burmese in category names to distinguish between the country and the ethnic group would be unnecessary and impractical, probably a bad idea. Place Clichy (talk) 09:00, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Support for now, for consistency reasons, without objection against a future re-design of these categories along the lines of User:Peterkingiron. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Houses in Manassas Park, Virginia

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:47, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Houses in Manassas Park, Virginia to Category:Manassas Park, Virginia
 * Nominator's rationale: Small category (1 article) that is unlikely to grow. TM 13:06, 11 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. There is no need to merge, the one article is still in Category:National Register of Historic Places in Manassas Park, Virginia. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:19, 11 September 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Infobox person using alma mater

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:46, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting infobox person using alma mater


 * Nominator's rationale: Tracking category to show how many pages would be affected by removing a parameter from Infobox person. It was specifically linked to a discussion that has been archived for a year now and resulted in no course of action or follow-up discussion: Template talk:Infobox_person/Archive 33. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 11:35, 11 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:19, 12 September 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Mayors of Chino, California

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge, also to Category:Mayors of places in California. MER-C 10:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mayors of Chino, California to Category:People from Chino, California
 * Nominator's rationale: Also merge to Mayors of places in California.

Category with 1 entry. Chino is not big enough for its mayors to be automatically notable. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:21, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per paragraph 2 of WP:SMALLCAT, as category may have potential for growth since we've held that population size doesn't matter much in mayor notability. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 16:00, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Unlikely that this category will contain e.g. 5 articles any time soon. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:24, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Support -- This is the usual solution: local politicians are likely to be notable for other reasons than being mayor. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:54, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. While it's true that the size of a city is not in and of itself the make or break condition for mayoral notability, that fact does not automatically lead to every mayor of every place always qualifying for an article: what the mayoral notability test does depend upon is the degree to which a mayor can be well-sourced as the subject of enough more than just local coverage to get him over WP:NPOL #2, and while it is possible for some smalltown mayors to clear that bar sometimes, most still do not. So the test for when a category for the town's mayors becomes justified still remains that a sufficient number of articles already exists, not just the fact that it's theoretically possible that more might someday. Even the one mayor who is categorized here does not actually have an article because mayor per se; he has an article because he also served as a state senator, and thus got over NPOL #1 regardless of whether he cleared NPOL #2 or not. That said, the article should also be readded to Category:Mayors of places in California, not just to the People from Chino category alone. Bearcat (talk) 18:43, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Chino category and mayors of places in California. The one article is on a person who is notable for being a California State senator. There is absolutely no reason we should have categories for every possible place mayor, since most mayors are not notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:58, 15 September 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Vice-chancellors of the University of the West Indies

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 09:39, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Vice-chancellors of the University of the West Indies to Category:Heads of the University of the West Indies
 * Nominator's rationale: They arent all Vice-chancellors. The two oldest were Principals. Rathfelder (talk) 09:01, 11 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:28, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Support -- This appears to be the solution recently agreed.
 * Support so the category is consistent. Although I think Category:Presidents of Brigham Young University and a few others may show inclusion of principles as well.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:59, 15 September 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Companies based in Mauritius

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 09:40, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Companies based in Mauritius to Category:Companies of Mauritius
 * Nominator's rationale: Mauritius is a small place. All the companies of Mauritius are based in Mauritius. Complete overlap.

Rathfelder (talk) 07:18, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Support, we appear to use the forms "Companies based in city" and "Companies of country". Marcocapelle (talk) 18:33, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Our convention is "Companies of Country" at the national level, while "Companies based in Place" is for subnational units like states, provinces or cities — but they serve the same fundamental purpose, so no political entity ever needs to have parallel "Companies of" and "Companies based in" categories existing alongside each other. Bearcat (talk) 18:56, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom, until the day comes when we eventually have enough articles for a reasonable . Which isn't yet. Grutness... wha?   14:02, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


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Category:The Barber of Seville (play)

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:The Barber of Seville (play) to Category:Spain in fiction, otherwise delete. MER-C 10:17, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting the barber of seville (play)
 * the marriage of figaro (play)
 * Nominator's rationale: With just the main article and one 'Works based on...' subcategory, there is not enough content to warrant an eponymous category for either of these plays. (Pinging the categories' creator, User:Howard61313) All contents are already appropriately categorized, and so upmerging is not required. -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:33, 11 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge the first to Category:Spain in fiction. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:31, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


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High school football coaches by high school

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:High school football coaches in Florida and Category:High school football coaches in Tennessee respectively. MER-C 16:21, 28 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Category:Hillsborough High Terriers football coaches
 * Category:Montgomery Bell Academy Big Red football coaches
 * Upmerge both into Category:High school football coaches in the United States. It's always been the standard that the lowest level category within the U.S. high school athletics' coaches tree was by sport, not by school. There are hundreds of thousands of high schools and any given one of them may have at most one, maybe two, coaches who are notable enough to warrant Wikipedia articles. Allowing for categories such as these two above to exist at all will set a dangerous precedent; less knowledgeable editors (and/or editors who spend all their time on category creation) will assume the rest of the high schools should have subcats, when in reality they shouldn't exist to begin with. Just because Hillsborough HS and Montgomery Bell Academy happen to have a handful of coaches each doesn't mean they need to have specific subcats. SportsGuy789 (talk) 03:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:21, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:38, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Upmerge I also have to wonder if we have applied the parent category to too many people for whom it is not at all connected to notability. However, if the United States category is deemed too big, splitting by state would be much better than to individual high schools. I would argue most of these people their high school coaching careers are defining to them, even if not connected to their notability. Although I just realized that football is an ambiguous term and so the fact that this is American gridiron football maybe should be identified in some way.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:04, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I've broken 10 articles out to specific states and I have yet to find an article on a coach who coached high school in more than one state. A few who coaches multiple high schools in the same state, but not in more than one state.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:20, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * there are definitely many coaches here who have coached high school football in more than one state. I've edited a good portion of these bio articles, and they are there.  Dean Slayton is an example.  Also, "football" in the context of the United States is not ambiguous.  By default, it means American football. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:15, 15 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Alternative merge to the new Category:High school football coaches in Florida and Category:High school football coaches in Tennessee respectively. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:47, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Support alternative merge, the state categories are the immediate parent categories of the two nominated categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:43, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to respective state categories. For the records I created those state categories last Saturday after this nomination was first made, so them not being targets was because they did not exist.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:44, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I think everyone who supported the merge is fine with alternate merge now that the US category has been diffused into state categories.  can we close this one? Jweiss11 (talk) 00:52, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The discussion should be closed by someone who is not WP:INVOLVED. Marcocapelle (talk) 00:54, 27 September 2019 (UTC)


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