Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 September 23



Category:Crvena jabuka songs

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 10:17, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting crvena jabuka songs


 * Nominator's rationale: Category presently does not contain any articles, only 3 redirects. Richhoncho (talk) 22:01, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:30, 25 September 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Online retailers of England
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Category:Rocco Siffredi

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 10:17, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting rocco siffredi


 * Nominator's rationale: Textbook WP:OCEPON violation. Subject also does not meet the very high bar for creating an eponymous category for an individual. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 17:19, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete In addition to above nom’s rationale, this has WP:PERFCAT issues as well. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 15:06, 24 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete A category for his films alone is questionable, at best. A category this all-encompassing for any adult-film star fails to satisfy basic criteria, and certainly lacks the prerequisite sub-categories needed. KirkCliff2 (talk) 15:50, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Without the performance-by-performer over-categorization, three articles, at most, are left.  The actor's involvement is not a defining characteristic in enough article to justify an eponymous category.  The related navigation template has the exact same problem. • Gene93k (talk) 16:29, 24 September 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Russian literary fairy tales

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 10:19, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Russian literary fairy tales to Category:Russian fairy tales
 * Nominator's rationale: Recent split of the target category, with 2 articles and 1 subcat. What's a fairy tale which is not literary?. Place Clichy (talk) 16:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. In addition we do not have a Category:Literary fairy tales or an article Literary fairy tale to back this up. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:32, 25 September 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Heads of universities in Ireland

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 10:02, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Heads of universities in Ireland to Category:Heads of universities and colleges in Ireland
 * Nominator's rationale: Opposed as speedy. Rename in line with Category:Heads of universities and colleges by country, category now includes Category:Presidents of the National College of Ireland‎ and Category:Presidents of St Patrick's College, Maynooth‎. TSventon (talk) 12:42, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Support. There has been a recent CfD where there was clear consensus that Heads of universities and colleges is a neutral catch-all title. It should be declined at country level without no more hassle and endless dicussion of wether the category has content relative to univiersities AND colleges, if the country makes a difference between the two, if the heads of these organizations have a specific title, what exactly does the holder of the position do etc. Place Clichy (talk) 16:26, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. It may take us a while to sort out all these categories.  Rathfelder (talk) 17:30, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Rathfelder That's why we should probably save ourselves this hassle and use Heads of universities and colleges across the table, or at least when there is no immediately obvious better name. Place Clichy (talk) 14:08, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Place Clichy I wanted to reduce discussion by doing this as speedy, but it was opposed. I would agree with Heads of universities and colleges as a default at national level, but Rathfelder has just renamed a lot of national categories so I wouldn't rename them all again immediately. I am losing track of recent discussions: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_June_28 was a discussion of two top level categories, was there an agreement on national level titles? TSventon (talk) 10:05, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * TSventon My understanding is precisely that most of these categories were quite recently renamed following a bold speedy request by Rathfelder to the Heads of universities in... format (see for instance here. We may therefore just as boldly rename these to Heads of universities and colleges in... which seems to gather consensus. Sometimes I have seen Rathfelder handpick some country-level categories which seems to use a specific title for all categorized individuals (such as vice-chancellor, rector or provost) or organizations (university or college or both). However, once again, I don't think the resulting inconsistency is worth the hassle. Place Clichy (talk) 14:08, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Rathfelder Your last post on "Category:University and college chancellors by country" was "I'm very happy with "heads of" for the main categories. We can then consider what to do with the country sub-categories." Was anything further discussed or agreed before your speedy renames on 8 September? Place Clichy We can only speedily rename again if nobody objects. TSventon (talk) 14:56, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I dont think there was a discussion, but I speedily renamed those I had called "Leaders of ..." either to the local term, or to "Heads of". I have no objection to using "Heads of universities and colleges in ..." where appropriate, but I think we should use "Principals, Rectors, Vice-chancellors, etc of ..." in places where there is a clear local usage.  Rathfelder (talk) 16:00, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Rathfelder, Place Clichy, I would like to move towards universities and colleges as a default, rather than universities. As a first step, would you agree to renaming all subcategories of Category:Universities and colleges in Europe by country "Universities and colleges of"? This would affect Croatia, Estonia, Finland, Hungary, Luxembourg and Montenegro. All categories in Category:People by university or college in Europe begin "People by university or college in" (except a duplicate Portugal category). If this was agreed, then we could move on to alumni, academics and other continents. TSventon (talk) 09:49, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Fine by me.Rathfelder (talk) 11:24, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Fine for me. There are also and  which countain some "by university" subcategories which could be renamed. Outside of Europe there are also a few, e.g., which could be renamed. Place Clichy (talk) 12:00, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * ,, I have started Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_September_25 today. I think 7 categories in Europe (adding Serbia) are enough to discuss the principle. The rest of the world adds another 25 or so countries. I have mentioned people, alumni, faculty and heads subcategories as a next step. TSventon (talk) 16:05, 25 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I think the principle is, or will be, agreed so the next lot can be done as speedys. Rathfelder (talk) 16:25, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I hope you're right. TSventon (talk) 19:27, 25 September 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Internet companies of Finland
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Category:Public universities and colleges in the United Kingdom

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 10:18, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting public universities and colleges in the united kingdom


 * Nominator's rationale:I believe this category is unnecessary because:


 * Almost all universities in the UK are publicly funded, so private universities are identified by Category:Private universities in the United Kingdom (8 members). As explained in Public_university the public/private distinction is debatable.
 * Currently the category contains 42 categories and 20 articles, compared with Category:Universities in the United Kingdom (around 130 members). 3 articles relate to colleges, compared to Category:Further education colleges in the United Kingdom (around 150 members).
 * The editor who created the category was banned in 2017 for disruptive edits to categories. TSventon (talk) 12:07, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Support Rathfelder (talk) 12:42, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Support Place Clichy (talk) 16:28, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Battles involving the Marinid dynasty

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 10:20, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Battles involving the Marinid dynasty to Category:Battles involving the Marinid Sultanate
 * Nominator's rationale: per the parent categories Constantine  ✍  11:28, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2C and WP:C2D, see article Marinid Sultanate. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:23, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Catholic priests convicted of failure to report of sexual abuse

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 10:18, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting catholic priests convicted of failure to report of sexual abuse


 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article, and it is not foreseeable that many similar convictions will follow. There is no need to upmerge, because the one article is already in the parent Category:Ecclesiastical passivity to Catholic sexual abuse cases. Note: there is a speedy request to rename the category and remove "of" from the name. If the category would be kept, the rename is in order. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:19, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 16:28, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete A category this overly specific is unlikely to include a significant number of articles. Renaming the category doesn’t resolve its highly exclusive nature. KirkCliff2 (talk) 15:57, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT, also potential BLP issues.--Darwinek (talk) 12:58, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. I am the editor who nominated it for speedy renaming, but I don't think it serves any purpose anyway as pointed out. I noticed this whole topic seems to be overcategorized, so other CfDs may be in order. -Crossroads- (talk) 23:35, 30 September 2019 (UTC)


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Category:World Food Prize laureates
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Category:Railway stations in Zgorzelec

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 10:21, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Railway stations in Zgorzelec to Category:Railway stations in Lower Silesian Voivodeship and Category:Zgorzelec
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only cities much larger than Zgorzelec need a railway stations category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Support. Place Clichy (talk) 16:28, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


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