Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 September 29



Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe actresses

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 * The result of the discussion was: deleted. Bearcat (talk) 22:33, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting marvel cinematic universe actresses


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:PERFCAT, as the category defines performers by their performance. Same rationale as this deletion. Joeyconnick (talk) 18:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete equivalent to deleted actor category, can also fall under WP:G5 as creator is a sock (per evasion block).-- ☾Loriendrew☽  ☏(ring-ring)  19:46, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 03:33, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, I was wondering if you saw my comment at WT:WikiProject Biography or not... Govvy (talk) 08:21, 30 September 2019 (UTC)


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Members of the Congress of Deputies
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Spanish government ministers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 15:54, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Spanish Ministers of Defence to Category:Defence ministers of Spain
 * Propose renaming Category:Spanish Ministers of Economy and Finance to Category:Economy and finance ministers of Spain
 * Propose renaming Category:Spanish Ministers of Education to Category:Education ministers of Spain
 * Propose renaming Category:Spanish Ministers of the Environment to Category:Environment ministers of Spain
 * Propose renaming Category:Spanish Ministers of Housing to Category:Housing ministers of Spain
 * Propose renaming Category:Spanish Ministers of Industry to Category:Industry ministers of Spain
 * Propose renaming Category:Spanish Ministers of Justice to Category:Justice ministers of Spain
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:CATNAME states that political office-holders by country categories should be named Category:...of country. It also states that regular nouns (e.g. ministers) aren't capitalised except when they come at the beginning. Obi2canibe (talk) 16:01, 29 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 19:57, 30 September 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Soca and calypso radio stations
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Category:Spouses of members of the United States House of Representatives

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:30, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting spouses of members of the united states house of representatives


 * Nominator's rationale: Delete as non-defining. Notability is not inherited by marriage. Being married to an elected legislator confers no special position or role in government, as would be the case with the spouse of an executive. TM 13:16, 29 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Also nominating, , and for the same reasons.--TM 15:47, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Would someone help me out by tagging the above categories for deletion so that they are grouped together on this nomination?--14:16, 8 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:16, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose This is a simple way to locate spouses of politicians. Dimadick (talk) 16:52, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Support While spouses of national leaders or royalty may acquire notability specifically stemming from this status, that would rarely be the case for spouses of legislators or cabinet members. WP:NONDEF. Place Clichy (talk) 11:27, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. While some spouses of members of the US House of Representatives certainly have their own standalone notability for their own reasons, nobody is notable specifically because they're a spouse of a member of the House of Representatives — so it isn't a defining characteristic for the purposes of categorizing them. It's not a point of commonality between Huma Abedin (notable as a political advisor, not for who she happens to have been married to) and Hazel Scott (whose notability is as a singer, not as a political spouse). Furthermore, there are several instances here where a husband and wife were both members of the House of Representatives (e.g. John W. Langley and Katherine G. Langley), and thus both have to be filed here even though they're actually both notable as Representatives — and several other people in this category were First Ladies whose husband had served in the House of Representatives before ascending to the presidency, so the fact that their husbands had once been representatives earlier in their career is not a significant notability factor for those women either. They're notable because they were First Ladies, not because their husbands once served in the House too. Keeping this category might send the mistaken impression that spouses of US Representatives are accepted as notable precisely for being spouses, which they're not: they might be notable for other reasons, but the fact that they happen to be married to a representative is completely irrelevant to the process of getting them there. Bearcat (talk) 20:07, 2 October 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Saint Ann's School (New York City) alumni
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Category:Chancellors by university

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. There isn't a consensus what to do with this category at this time. The main question here is whether the category tree should be split into executive and ceremonial roles and I suggest this question is addressed directly in a separate discussion before returning to discussing whether this category is useful. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 00:09, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting chancellors by university


 * Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful subcategory of Category:Heads of universities and colleges. The subcategories aren't  all about chancellors.  The country subcategories are useful, because generally the same terminology is used within a country. Rathfelder (talk) 08:57, 12 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Support, this is actually diffusion by country instead of by university, but we already have another category for diffusion by country. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 09:29, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Rename Category:Chancellors (ceremonial) and purge executive Chancellors into Category:Heads of universities and colleges -- In UK and several other Commonwealth countries, the Chancellor is a figurehead role, but able (for example) to exercise political influence on behalf of the university. In these countries, the executive head of the university is a Vice-chancellor, which we are in the source of merging into Category:Heads of universities and colleges.  The category needs to be provided with a headnote that in many commonwealth countries the Chancellor is largely a ceremonial post: Chancellors with an executive role should be in Category:Heads of universities and colleges.  I note that the Australian category is well-populated as are many of the British ones.  We ought not to be orphaning this tree.  On the other hand, executive heads should be moved out of this.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:54, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Terms like chancellor, rector, provost etc. are not used consistently across countries, and sometimes not even within universities.  If we want to keep such a category I would argue strongly that it should be Category:Ceremonial heads of universities and colleges.  I think there is general agreement that classification by title in this area does not work.  But if you look at the articles it's often very unclear whether a person who is described as a chancellor, or whatever, is a ceremonial or an executive head, so I am not enthusiastic about the idea. Rathfelder (talk) 19:24, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Question, User:Rathfelder, User:Peterkingiron what is your suggested structure for Category:Heads of universities and colleges in the United Kingdom? I think that having subcategories for chancellors and vice chancellors by university works for the UK and apparently for Australia, Canada and New Zealand as well. User:Place Clichy heads of colleges may not be visible where they do exist because the categories were set up as "Heads of universities in Foo". I have identified or created six college head categories for Category:Heads of colleges in the United Kingdom and six for Category:Heads of member institutions of the University of London, only one of which was previously in the UK university heads category. TSventon (talk) 09:31, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I dont think all UK universities have chancellors and vice chancellors. I'm quite happy with the categories you have made, but I dont want to see any where similar positions are included, or excluded, just because of local terminology. I dont like Category:Vice-Chancellors by university in the United Kingdom because it already includes people who arent Vice-Chancellors, but I cant think of a better title for it.  I wonder if we actually need it?  Rathfelder (talk) 10:05, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that all UK universities have chancellors and vice chancellors (or principals in Scotland), but there may be exceptions that I have not noticed. I agree that structures should avoid excluding positions because of terminology, but that is an argument for having "heads of universities and colleges" categories rather than "heads of universities" categories. In the UK more work is needed as many "Heads of universities and colleges" are not yet categorised and I am sure the same is true for other countries. I am now looking at Ireland. TSventon (talk) 11:38, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose I think this category is a useful way to link categories of ceremonial chancellors in the UK, Australia, Canada, Ireland (categorized by User:SeoR) and New Zealand. It would need to be cleaned up and have an introduction to explain its purpose. TSventon (talk) 20:16, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose I agree that a separate space for non-executive chancellors in the UK, Australia, Canada, Ireland, and New Zealand, at least, is needed - it is vital not to confuse them with executive heads (in Ireland Presidents or Provosts, but one also meets Vice-Chancellors, Pro-Vice-Chancellors, and so on). I agree that a short but clear introductory note would be essential. I also agree that any executive chancellors should go in the main "Heads" tree.SeoR (talk) 20:26, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with categories for chancellors (or rectors, presidents, provosts) in individual countries if the title is used consistently there (and NB usage in Scotland is different from England), but I think the superior category should be Category:Ceremonial heads of universities and colleges. Putting notes on categories doesn't have much effect.  Much better to make the name self-explanatory.Rathfelder (talk) 21:42, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with that last point - due to differences in terminology, the superior category should be the generic "Ceremonial heads of ...."SeoR (talk) 13:13, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I would prefer Category:Chancellors (ceremonial) by university, amending Peterkingiron's suggestion, to cover ceremonial chancellors, mainly in UK, Ireland and commonwealth countries: the article Chancellor (education) has some useful detail. The "Heads of" and "Presidents" and Paris subcategories could then be removed. I don't support extending the category to Category:Ceremonial heads of universities and colleges as it would be less focused. TSventon (talk) 18:50, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I havent noticed any articles about ceremonial heads of anything which was not a university. Rathfelder (talk) 20:28, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Rathfelder, I picked up the idea of Category:Ceremonial heads of universities and colleges from the discussion above and it is not my preferred option. I have racked my brains to think of ceremonial heads of colleges and found the Governor of the Royal Military College Sandhurst which apparently existed until 1888. TSventon (talk) 10:03, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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 * I have cleaned up the category by removing "heads of" categories for Africa, Asia, Europe, Iran and India and "Presidents by" category for China, as none of them are chancellor categories. The chancellor categories for individual universities in Iran seem to be executive heads, but it is admittedly hard to tell. TSventon (talk) 11:55, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

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Category:Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 Germany files

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 * The result of the discussion was: WP:soft delete following Templates_for_discussion/Log/2017_February_14. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:05, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting category


 * Nominator's rationale: I don't think that this maintenance category is needed any more. It was populated by Template:Cc-by-sa-2.0-de, which was deleted a few years ago. I'm nominating it for deletion here rather than CSD'ing it as a second set of eyes to make sure it's not just empty right now would be appreciated. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:22, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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Natural disasters in Sint Maarten

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete Category:Hurricanes in Sint Maarten and do not merge Category:Natural disasters in Sint Maarten. MER-C 09:25, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Hurricanes in Sint Maarten to Category:Hurricanes in Saint Martin
 * Propose merging Category:Natural disasters in Sint Maarten to Category:Natural disasters in Saint Martin
 * Nominator's rationale: Do we really need separate categories? The island is only a few miles wide, so I highly doubt that a hurricane or other natural disaster (although the natural disaster categories only list hurricanes) would affect one side of the island but not the other. Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 02:35, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

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 * Saint Martin is an island that has two political entities on it: the Netherlands Sint Maarten country and the French Collectivity of Saint Martin. Of course, each of the two political entities have their full set of categories, including natural disasters and hurricanes.  This is necessary to match all other such entities.  The island Saint Martin then has its own set of categories, which often just consist of the appropriate categories from each of the two political entities.  This is how WP is set up for other islands having multiple political entities on them.  So a decision should be made regarding all such islands, not just this one.  In any case, the categories here are not balanced and not properly constructed and need to be fixed as they confuse the island of Saint Martin with the Collectivity of Saint Martin. Hmains (talk) 04:24, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - According to the article on the island the two parts are collectively known as "St-Martin / St Maarten". There is certainly no merit in having a tree for each half of the island, since they are likely to suffer the same devastation, but I wonder if we cannot find an appropriate way of having a category covering both.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:38, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

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 * I now suggest the following: Category:Hurricanes in Saint Martin has all the hurricanes for the island and it is now a subcat of both Category:Natural disasters in Saint Martin and Category:Natural disasters in Sint Maarten. Therefore, Category:Hurricanes in Sint Maarten can be deleted with no loss of WP content or navigation. However, Category:Natural disasters in Sint Maarten needs to be kept so that we do have navigation from Category:Sint Maarten to Category:Hurricanes in Saint Martin and there could also be natural disasters that occur solely in Sint Maarten and not the entire island. Hmains (talk) 21:09, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I support your alternate proposal. BLA</b>IXX 13:37, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I support this as well. As Hmains said, Category:Hurricanes in Sint Maarten doesn't provide any benefit currently. --Trialpears (talk) 19:58, 13 October 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia featured topics Kentucky gubernatorial election, 1899
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 15:53, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedia featured topics Kentucky gubernatorial election, 1899 to Category:Wikipedia featured topics 1899 Kentucky gubernatorial election
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedia featured topics Kentucky gubernatorial election, 1899 featured content to Category:Wikipedia featured topics 1899 Kentucky gubernatorial election featured content
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedia featured topics Kentucky gubernatorial election, 1899 good content to Category:Wikipedia featured topics 1899 Kentucky gubernatorial election good content
 * Nominator's rationale: Per RfC FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 01:10, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

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 * The categories are empty. What would be the reason for not just deleting them? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The contents have been moved manually (see, e.g., this diff) and, therefore, the target categories are already populated. -- Black Falcon (talk) 23:15, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * That is pretty confusing. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

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 * Support - this does seem to follow from the rfc, moving the year to beginning. Oculi (talk) 14:43, 29 September 2019 (UTC)


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Category:Gannett (company)
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Category:Taylor Swift perfumes
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 15:52, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Taylor Swift perfumes to Both parents: Category:Taylor Swift and Category:Celebrity perfumes
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one entry, not a huge potential for growth. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:06, 29 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:22, 29 September 2019 (UTC)


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